Why tipping should be banned (according to Adam)

[s0me0nesmind1]

End service wage and farm wage. Raise minimum to $15.
This is a good one for Trump to do. Everyone hates him already anyway.

I want him to advocate for it just so people that bashed him and called him Hitler can do a 180 and be willing to suck him off just a day later.

 

[shortylickens]

So we should blame you?

May as well.

I GET BLAMED FOR EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND HERE!

 

[Captante]

May as well.

I GET BLAMED FOR EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND HERE!

ATOT official scapegoat? Its a dirty job but somebody has to do it!

 

[BoomerD]

Repeat after me: $2.15 (or whatever it is) is not a minimum wage for restaurant workers. If everyone stopped tipping tomorrow the employer would have to pay the full federal minimum wage to compensate.

Why must I constantly repeat this?

You're right...but in those states, the employee is required to use tips to make up the difference between the welfare wage and the legal minimum wage. Tips should NOT be part of their wages...but on top of their wages...or do away with tipping entirely. (which I'm completely in favor of doing)

 

[kage69]

My feelings on this have changed a bit over the last few years and I find myself in agreement with Adam.

Too often I'm confronted with absolutely shit service by those who feel they are entitled to extra money. I've really become annoyed with this feeling of 'I'm paying you to act like I'm wasting your time' Depending on the attitude of who you are dealing with, sometimes it can put you right off your feed.

The employee that takes pride in their work, who notices I refer to them by name and speak to them like a neighbor, who gives me service that makes me leave a 50% tip... (which I like doing) I hate to say it but they are getting rare. I don't know it's the millennial effect I keep hearing about or what, but I've seen a drop in work ethic across the board in many areas. And I'm not even an old salty bastard with a lawn to protect.

 

[zerocool84]

It's just so retarded for getting extra money for doing something that's in your BASIC job description. We tip them but not someone else doing something similar or worse.

 

[shortylickens]

My feelings on this have changed a bit over the last few years and I find myself in agreement with Adam.

Too often I'm confronted with absolutely shit service by those who feel they are entitled to extra money. I've really become annoyed with this feeling of 'I'm paying you to act like I'm wasting your time' Depending on the attitude of who you are dealing with, sometimes it can put you right off your feed.

The employee that takes pride in their work, who notices I refer to them by name and speak to them like a neighbor, who gives me service that makes me leave a 50% tip... (which I like doing) I hate to say it but they are getting rare. I don't know it's the millennial effect I keep hearing about or what, but I've seen a drop in work ethic across the board in many areas. And I'm not even an old salty bastard with a lawn to protect.

The only place I get consistent service is the bar/restaurant I frequent. Thats it.

Come to think of it, I'm actually glad Virginia requires bars to serve food. It means I get the best of both worlds in one place. People actually make an effort to take care of their customers.

You know what else? The places that dont allow tipping actually do a damn good job! Freakin McDonalds and all the others have professional folks who do their job and look forward to a raise or promotion because they've actually got an organized system in place and dont play games.

 

[Kaido]

Here's an interesting one for ATOT discussion:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/l...-not-tipped-735-order/1WdSSRd27tTlqYJHmxMOUP/

A server at an Outback Steakhouse in Palm Beach Gardens says she was fired on Thursday after posting on social media that she was not tipped for a $735 take-out order placed by Christ Fellowship.

Tamlynn Yoder, 25, of Lake Park, said Christ Fellowship ordered 25 steaks, 25 chickens and 25 potatoes on Wednesday morning at the restaurant on Military Trail near Northlake Boulevard.

“We take the order over the phone, we put the order together, take payment and then take order to the car,” Yoder said. “It’s a lot of work just as much as serving.”

Yoder said a person from Christ Fellowship came to pick up the order and when Yoder put the food in the car, she received no tip. Yoder said because she spent most of her shift preparing the 75-item order for Christ Fellowship, she only made a total of $18 in tips that day on other orders.

“Tips is how we make our money, we still make a low wage as servers,” Yoder said.

Yoder said, out of frustration, she posted on Facebook that Christ Fellowship left her no tip on an order totaling $735 — but did not mention where she worked.

Yoder said a male friend who saw her post told her to delete it, and he told her he would call Christ Fellowship about the incident. Yoder said the friend told her the church was going to contact the restaurant to make amends.

When Yoder arrived at Outback the next day for her shift, she was told by her manager that Christ Fellowship got a full refund for the $735 order and she was fired.

TL;DR:

1. A church ordered a take-out order for $735
2. On social media, the server complained (against company policy, which can result in termination) about not getting tipped on the to-go order
3. The server got fired (the church also received a full refund, presumably for getting slammed on social media)

Is tipping for take-out a mandatory thing now?

 

[JSt0rm]

Here's an interesting one for ATOT discussion:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/l...-not-tipped-735-order/1WdSSRd27tTlqYJHmxMOUP/


TL;DR:

1. A church ordered a take-out order for $735
2. On social media, the server complained (against company policy, which can result in termination) about not getting tipped on the to-go order
3. The server got fired (the church also received a full refund, presumably for getting slammed on social media)

Is tipping for take-out a mandatory thing now?

$735 take out order would be an extended amount of work for someone making 2.13 an hour.

 

[lxskllr]

Is tipping for take-out a mandatory thing now?

A $735 order is quite the take out. There should be a provision to tack on charges to cover for the extra work of the employees. That's virtually a catering job on top of the normal work you're expected to do.

 

[Kaido]

$735 take out order would be an extended amount of work for someone making 2.13 an hour.

I'm curious if Outback Steakhouse (a chain) does at least minimum wage on all staff (including servers), because that would be a huge difference if not.

 

[sourceninja]

Why would a server have anything to do with a takeout order besides maybe ringing up the check? I don't tip on carry out. If the government passes new guidelines that allow employers to take and redistribute tips I will stop tipping all together. I've heard employers on the radio call tips a 'untapped revenue stream' that they could give to other employees like kitchen staff. This would enable them to lower the pay of these workers. That is why I will stop tipping if these rules go into effect.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm curious if Outback Steakhouse (a chain) does at least minimum wage on all staff (including servers), because that would be a huge difference if not.

depends on the state.

 

[JSt0rm]

Why would a server have anything to do with a takeout order besides maybe ringing up the check? I don't tip on carry out. If the government passes new guidelines that allow employers to take and redistribute tips I will stop tipping all together. I've heard employers on the radio call tips a 'untapped revenue stream' that they could give to other employees like kitchen staff. This would enable them to lower the pay of these workers. That is why I will stop tipping if these rules go into effect.

because restaurant owners are basically horrible people that do everything they can to take advantage of less fortunate people in their employ.

 

[Kaido]

A $735 order is quite the take out. There should be a provision to tack on charges to cover for the extra work of the employees. That's virtually a catering job on top of the normal work you're expected to do.

The funny thing is, the larger the order, sometimes the smaller the tip. I used to deliver huge orders of pizza to places like family fun shops (i.e. Chuckie Cheese competitors) and would get stiffed. Play Tetris to get 30 pizzas in your car, make a dozen trips to get them inside safely, all while avoiding running kids a la the Home Alone opening scene, go up a bunch of stairs, don't get a tip.

 

[JSt0rm]

and checking the article. Palm beach is florida. A freedumb state so probably not.

 

[Chaotic42]

I usually tip 30-50% because I can afford to and I've had enough crappy jobs to know how much people suck. In any given restaurant it seems like someone is always being an ass to the waitstaff.

 

[zinfamous]

I'll stop tipping when I stop receiving hummers for it.

 

[DietDrThunder]

My wife and I got into an argument about tipping the other evening. We were out shopping and stopped at the local Sonic fast food restaurant for a couple of ice cream desserts. $8.49 for our treats and I count out the money to the exact penny. My wife asks me "Aren't you going to leave a tip?", in which I responded that we aren't eating it here, it is not inside a restaurant, THIS IS FAST FOOD, and if they had a drive-thru I would have used it, so no I wasn't tipping. I also don't tip the trash collectors, postal workers, news paper delivery people, appliance delivery people, tow truck drivers, etc.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I believe the anti-tipping trend is a side effect of the social retardation exhibited by the 'youts' of today who's fondest wish is never having to interact with anyone face to face again.

 

[Kaido]

and checking the article. Palm beach is florida. A freedumb state so probably not.

If that's the case, I can understand getting angry about getting stiffed on a tip when you make 75 items & then lose out on other tips because you're prepping & not serving, and only making a few bucks an hour. Makes more sense. It should be illegal to pay people anything less than minimum wage.

 

[rh71]

Let's ask all servers if they would rather make tips or the minimum wage. Don't a ton of them make out better with tips? Why do that kind of job then?

 

[ponyo]

I have no problem with the server being fired and I also have no problem with no tip on pickup order. I would've tipped on pickup order that large but I worked and owned restaurants so I know what it's like preparing large pickup orders.

 

[Kaido]

Let's ask all servers if they would rather make tips or the minimum wage. Don't a ton of them make out better with tips? Why do that kind of job then?

It depends on a lot of factors. I asked one of my delivery drivers at the pizza shop to become a manager (I was severely under-staffed at the time) and he said what, and take the paycut? Unfortunately he was serious, haha - he made way more in tips every night than he did on minimum wage. However, we delivered to a lot of bad neighborhoods and not many girls were willing to go out alone at night for pizza deliveries, so I saw a lot more guys do delivery than girls. And the girls I know who do wait tables & are good at flirting can easily make a hundred bucks in tips every night, so it can be pretty lucrative if you work in a busy restaurant and want to pull in an extra couple thousand dollars a month. There's some interesting statistics here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/02/how-much-do-waiters-really-earn-in-tips/385515/

Even on the lowest median tips per hour ($7 an hour), if you work full-time, that's well over a grand extra every month just in tips, on top of your hourly wage. So in the larger scheme of things, no it's not a lot, but when you're working hourly, every extra dollar helps!

 

[destrekor]

It depends on a lot of factors. I asked one of my delivery drivers at the pizza shop to become a manager (I was severely under-staffed at the time) and he said what, and take the paycut? Unfortunately he was serious, haha - he made way more in tips every night than he did on minimum wage. However, we delivered to a lot of bad neighborhoods and not many girls were willing to go out alone at night for pizza deliveries, so I saw a lot more guys do delivery than girls. And the girls I know who do wait tables & are good at flirting can easily make a hundred bucks in tips every night, so it can be pretty lucrative if you work in a busy restaurant and want to pull in an extra couple thousand dollars a month. There's some interesting statistics here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/02/how-much-do-waiters-really-earn-in-tips/385515/

Even on the lowest median tips per hour ($7 an hour), if you work full-time, that's well over a grand extra every month just in tips, on top of your hourly wage. So in the larger scheme of things, no it's not a lot, but when you're working hourly, every extra dollar helps!

Well, if your hourly wage is $2/hr, that $7 in tips per hour isn't so special anymore, because now your wage is a whopping $9/hr.