Why the white working class is alienated, pessimistic

[IGBT]

day late.. dollar short and took the wrong road. You haven't been paying attention. So called white people are inter marrying. They are turning shades of brown. In a few generations you will have no recognizable white people to blame for your disappointments in your pissy miserable life. But you still will want to play the blame game. But you'll have no guilty whites to listen to your boo hoo stories. Sorry lot you are.

 

[irishScott]

day late.. dollar short and took the wrong road. You haven't been paying attention. So called white people are inter marrying. They are turning shades of brown. In a few generations you will have no recognizable white people to blame for your disappointments in your pissy miserable life. But you still will want to play the blame game. But you'll have no guilty whites to listen to your boo hoo stories. Sorry lot you are.

No.

 

[JSt0rm]

So future generations are punished for actions they didn't take because some self-righteous idiot (you're the only one I've heard of who thinks this JStorm) believe Karma works that way. Riiiiiiight...

Confirming I have the power to do this. Be afraid.

I'm more inclined to think in terms that America was largely founded by white people, was and in many ways still is a land of opportunity. White people have had the longest access to that opportunity, and have correspondingly worked themselves up the ladder. Minorities are comparatively just entering the main system and tend to start at the bottom.

Yes white people found America. I read those books too.

My prediction is eventually we'll reach an equilibrium of pure blue-collar people and pure white collar people that's a relatively even mixture of the races (in terms of % of race). Those who can advance will advance, those who can't or won't will remain where they are. Minorities will become more prominent, but white people are hardly dying out, losing power, or "due for some hardship" by any means.

ok

 

[JSt0rm]

Some people? Meaning you? So are you saying you believe in collective punishment? And that white people today are responsible for acts of their ancestors? Is that a rule you just apply to Europeans or do you think all people bear collective responsibility for what their ancestors did? Because a lot of ugly things happened in history and it starts getting really messy if you try to keep score.

What are you most afraid of?

 

[Infohawk]

What are you most afraid of?

Stop evading and answer the questions.

 

[JSt0rm]

Stop evading and answer the questions.

answer your accusatory loaded questions? No I dont think its fair that people would pay for their ancestors. But life isnt fair. Hell in a few short years we all are going to be paying for the babyboomers.

 

[Infohawk]

No.

I didn't disagree with your post but I also see some truth in IGBt's post. I agree with him that the races are continuing to mix and that blaming other races for anything is becoming increasingly ridiculous and counter-productive. Where do you disagree with him?

 

[Infohawk]

answer your accusatory loaded questions? No I dont think its fair that people would pay for their ancestors. But life isnt fair. Hell in a few short years we all are going to be paying for the babyboomers.

So you're excited by the prospect of racial payback but then you recognize it's unfair? That doesn't seem very reasonable.

 

[JSt0rm]

So you're excited by the prospect of racial payback but then you recognize it's unfair? That doesn't seem very reasonable.

I'm excited now? What else. Do tell

 

[Throckmorton]

Something Reagan and his political operatives did was to help cement a new front for racism.

If we review the history, our first century you didn't need a front. Racism was just the normal view of things - no sane person would say blacks are to be given equal rights.

After that, you had a legal pretense of equality develop. This was put into the 'searate but equal' doctrine that was really separate an unequal for over 50 years.

That lasted until the civil rights movement. Then the new cover for racism became 'states' rights', along with its partner 'law & order'. If you don't like the federal government stepping all over the states, then you must support the states in preserving their racist laws. If you are for law & order, then you must oppose the agenda of black riots, and defend whatever they're against.

That lasted ok for a little while, but by the time of Reagan, after 'Roots' was a national event and Nixon disgraced, they were wearing then outside the south.

That's when they made economics the new cover for racism. You could rant and yell all day along about how much better 'people who earn a living' are than 'welfare leeches'.

You're in no danger of being reminded by the Republicans of any history for centuries that helped lead to the economic problems for blacks.

You can just rant using those issues, meaning but not saying 'whites' and 'blacks', and suddenly racism had a safe outlet again. Reagan loved the 'welfare queen in a cadillac' advertising, it took great advantage of this approach, while splitting the workers against their real common enemy of the right-wing ultra wealthy who wanted to screw them all (and were about to put policies in place creating the greatest shift of wealth to the rich from everyone else in American history).

Wow, that makes a lot of sense.

 

[Zebo]

I think this can be explained by origin.

Whites are familiar with a better environment for the working class before freetrading/right wing rat eat rat tax & social polices.

Minorities how ever bad USA is getting it's still 100x better than from whence they came, usually places where all wealth is controlled by a few families and everyone else in misery and destitution. That's why they came in the first place.

Both my parents are white, neither working class, mom was a professor at UCI, dad owned a lighting company that made many tritium exit signs/signs for government/DOD and other lighting and both are pessimists. Not for them perse but grandkids, what I usually hear after conversation of good ole days, like my dad who went to UCLA practically free is and today it's outrageous "it's not the country I came to"... they immigrated in teens early 20s in like 1962ish.

Until we work together again, and not be divided like the powers that be want us to be, the beatings will continue.

 

[Doppel]

day late.. dollar short and took the wrong road. You haven't been paying attention. So called white people are inter marrying. They are turning shades of brown. In a few generations you will have no recognizable white people to blame for your disappointments in your pissy miserable life. But you still will want to play the blame game. But you'll have no guilty whites to listen to your boo hoo stories. Sorry lot you are.

Hmm, people have been intermingling for, well, ever. And there are still plenty of very hard racial lines and there will be in a few generations, too. Racial divide is still very strong. Go to the South where blacks are a substantial percentage of population and there are black neighborhoods and white. That's how it is. It's the same way in the north, too, but with fewer blacks easier to pretend that divide doesn't exist, but it certainly does and will continue to. Blacks avoid whites as whites avoid blacks and all the other races.

Both my parents are white, neither working class, mom was a professor at UCI, dad owned a lighting company that made many tritium exit signs/signs for government/DOD and other lighting and both are pessimists. Not for them perse but grandkids, what I usually hear after conversation of good ole days, like my dad who went to UCLA practically free is and today it's outrageous "it's not the country I came to"... they immigrated in teens early 20s in like 1962ish.

Old people always look down on new. And new blame the ones before them. But I think they are right and have the numbers behind it. I am not blaming you personally, but your generation has done an extremely great job of fvcking up the economy for mine and my kids'. And so if your generation laments how things are going to be for those after I hope they realize that they are the ones who were the voting block while this nation has seen a massive increase in lobbying, in "trickle-down", outsourcing, and perhaps most importantly a debt-addicted government that has now reached perhaps an intractable position with its income to debt obligations and one that spells inevitable and systemic pain for everybody when the piper demands payment.

All that said, I have a general optimism for the future. Read yesterday that 52% I think it was of parents don't believe their kids will have a better standard of living. I'm not even sure how we define that now, and it may be right, but even if more people are sending their kids to day cares, coming out of school with debt, etc. technology will improve wildly areas like healthcare.

 

[sportage]

In the 50's and 60's, mom & dad packed the kids into the station wagon and went on a family vacations. Mom made time to cook healthy meals for the family at dinner time. Dad wanted to know what the kids were doing in their spare time, and their interest. When the family needed school clothes or the kids needed shoes, the family piled in the car and went shopping together.

Naturally, today, this sounds like some Brady Bunch movie scenario.

But if you have noticed, there is still one segment of society that believes in this family thing, and practices it every day. Hispanics.
Most Hispanic families are still very family orientated. Just like the white folks use to be back in the 50's and 60's.

When you get down to it, I think that is what pisses off what is left of the white American middle class family of today. They have either lost, or more likely given up on the those old fashion American family values.
The white middle class of today should learn a lesson. A reminder. A refresher on how to keep the family intact.
But they wont.
Mom is too busy picking up fast food for the kids, so she can have time to space out catching up on the last episode of Oprah, before falling asleep in front of the tv.
Dad is too bust on his pc downloading porn.
And the kids are too busy playing the latest nintendo game, and texting their friends.

The new neighbors on the block are Hispanic family values.
The middle white class sold out long ago.
It's interesting the Hispanic population is now out numbering the white population.
And probably the way it should be...

 

[Zebo]

Hmm, people have been intermingling for, well, ever. And there are still plenty of very hard racial lines and there will be in a few generations, too. Racial divide is still very strong. Go to the South where blacks are a substantial percentage of population and there are black neighborhoods and white. That's how it is. It's the same way in the north, too, but with fewer blacks easier to pretend that divide doesn't exist, but it certainly does and will continue to. Blacks avoid whites as whites avoid blacks and all the other races.Old people always look down on new. And new blame the ones before them. But I think they are right and have the numbers behind it. I am not blaming you personally, but your generation has done an extremely great job of fvcking up the economy for mine and my kids'. And so if your generation laments how things are going to be for those after I hope they realize that they are the ones who were the voting block while this nation has seen a massive increase in lobbying, in "trickle-down", outsourcing, and perhaps most importantly a debt-addicted government that has now reached perhaps an intractable position with its income to debt obligations and one that spells inevitable and systemic pain for everybody when the piper demands payment.

All that said, I have a general optimism for the future. Read yesterday that 52% I think it was of parents don't believe their kids will have a better standard of living. I'm not even sure how we define that now, and it may be right, but even if more people are sending their kids to day cares, coming out of school with debt, etc. technology will improve wildly areas like healthcare.

I'm in my 30's doppel nothing to do with it, sorry And you can't blame age anyway, it has to do with a political/socioeconomic shift that took place and even old people are suffering and will suffer more as talk about gutting SS/medicare/pensions is high on the hill.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Politically approved racism / revenge is a bitch.

Fixed.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

But life isnt fair. Hell in a few short years we all are going to be paying for the babyboomers.

I think it's fair....and I thank you for working the rest of your life to support me.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Hey, look at that - white people are human after all. Or, are they now savages as well? Fucking stupid white trash American youth, trying to be all edgy; "Hey, ya'll, I am be in teh racists! LOLLERSKATES!!! Look at my YTMNDs!! LOL!!!"

On a serious note; white people are human after all.

The "peak" of the US had issues that still exist today; spousal abuse, substance abuse and all sorts of other shit that was labeled as private matters no one else but good old Dad was allowed to talk about and address.

Homosexuality was in the closet, but very active. Drug use was active as well. Pedophilia was active. Affairs where very active.

The big difference between now and then; communication, connections and an open world. Today, a man could blow out his intestines by shoving a high powered air compressor hose up his ass at 10am and the entire world knows about it within 24 hours. They can even see it, because his friend recorded it with his phone.

American white people have one "fault"; lack of identity. That is why white American youth imitates African American Urban culture. Italian Americans, Irish Americans, French Americans, etc. they have their immigrant roots to go back on and base their American identities off. But, the 5th or 6th generations of these same European whites have lost all traces of their heritage. So, they have this lost and soulless shell, that leads to this imitation act.

In the 50s and 60s, American family values were announced to the entire world, that hey are correct and something to strive for (remember when Henry Ford tried to shove it down South America's throat,...). Sorry, these American values were a temporary facade that quickly went away once a few people started being vocal and open about the shit said facade was trying to cover up. Your "peak" was tissue paper trying to hide something very real and "ugly" - being human. The sexual revolution, woman's rights, minority rights,... fuck even handicap rights tore that tissue paper to shreds.

Sportage mentions the Hispanics in America. Their family values will stay strong for the most part, since they are so close to their original homeland. White Americans are too far removed from the European heritage to grasp a sense of identity.

Realize you are too far removed from the past to grasp at what your origin is. By all means, take up whatever culture you feel best fits you – but, ensure these feelings are rooted in reality. Don't "tawk like dis, yo, if you be livin in da suburbs an shit". Enjoy the African American Urban culture, but don't think for a second you can relate to it or live it out in anyway shape or form, especially if your daddy gives you $400 a week to spend on video games and music.

On a side note, I find it very amusing how modern American Whites feel they are being invaded by South American Latinos – hey, shit head, the land you claim to defend was taken from migrants that came from South America. Your white ass is from Europe. You came over here, declared yourself an independent satellite and are now fighting to defend something that hollow, false and weak; your self proclaimed American identity. This article proves there are clear cracks in that identity,… and guess what is deep underneath it; your humanity.

 

[Atreus21]

As I said in a previous thread, I'm doing everything I can to grow the white population.

But I'm married to an asian chick. So I only get 1 white person per two kids.

Excuse me. I have to go have sex again. Can't let the minorities win!

 

[PingSpike]

This article is like that article about black people moving back to the south. Everyone is moving to the south, not just black people. And I kind of think working classes of all races are feeling alienated and pessimistic.

 

[irishScott]

I didn't disagree with your post but I also see some truth in IGBt's post. I agree with him that the races are continuing to mix and that blaming other races for anything is becoming increasingly ridiculous and counter-productive. Where do you disagree with him?

Everywhere. Races have been intermarrying forever. It isn't going to lead to one mega-race or the "extinction" of any single major race any time soon. Maybe thousands or tens of thousands of years down the line at best.

 

[piasabird]

What does the term White mean? It is so irrelevent now adays. White is not a race???? Race is a misconception. It is a mental construct. It largely exists only in your mind. It is like a class system. What is middle class, and why do people in the USA try to put people in class catagories?

Race is just a way of saying US vs THEM. It is about division and hatred. It is also about exclusion and and power and extermination of the Them groups you identify.

There are very few locations on earth that have a pure race. Even those that tried often are just kidding themsleves. At one time, the old Korean Chosun empire had control of much of China and Mongolia. However, later Korea would be known as the Hermit Kingdom.

It is strange how different countries evolved and changed.

 

[peonyu]

Everywhere. Races have been intermarrying forever. It isn't going to lead to one mega-race or the "extinction" of any single major race any time soon. Maybe thousands or tens of thousands of years down the line at best.

Thats half true. Races are not mixing outside of the USA, Canada, Europe or Australia much at all. Its just white people mixing. Immigration to Africa, Latin America and Asia is pretty much nill, all immigration is moving to White majority countries. So whitey will be mixed out but other races wont be. Of course its hard to blame people for wanting to move to Europe or America though. The living standard in those regions are good, there is work, and the Government will pamper them with money if they cant work...Compare that to black majority counties [or Hispanic majority countries, Muslim majority etc] where disease is rampant, the Governments often have little control and the living standard more closely resembles the Middle Ages than it does the modern world. Its no surprise immigration to the Congo or Haiti is zero.

The Japanese would be in the same boat as white people, except they are still hardened racists to this day and refuse to allow immigration there. At most they allow in 1000 migrants a year...Thats nothing.

 

[Yreka]

The Japanese would be in the same boat as white people, except they are still hardened racists to this day and refuse to allow immigration there. At most they allow in 1000 migrants a year...Thats nothing.

Well, they're also kinda running out of room to put people

 

[peonyu]

Well, they're also kinda running out of room to put people

Not really, they have one of the lowest birth rates on Earth and they are soon going to be rapidly losing population. They have alot of pressure though [from economists] to open the flood gates and let in the masses of immigrants, so far they have refused. I bet watching how Europe is having trouble integrating its immigrants is part of the reason Japan is resisting going down the same road so far.

I guess calling the Japanese racist is wrong btw, how they are handling immigration is probably the smart way to go about it...Let the Europeans be guinea pigs and if it works for them do it to...And if immigration looks like it is fcking up Europe in the long run then continue on with the policy of no immigration. That might be racist, but it is also wise. Japan has nothing to lose by doing that and so far they think immigration is a joke, thats pretty telling of how they think it is "benefiting" Europe..

 

[werepossum]

Wow, yet another article about how white people are bad and lordy, ain't it great that our country is being "uplifted" by diversity. That shit never gets old, apparently.