Why the second amendment argument is a joke

[brandonb]

Well regulated means well trained/well armed.

Doesn't matter anyways. The point is this:

We're not talking well regulated militia here, we're talking about the people's right to bear arms. Which is a requirement of a well regulated militia. So if we are going to put gun control into place, we are removing the dependency of a well regulated militia so it can never happen, which is a violation of our constitution.

If we put "we the people" into perspective the government should also be limited. Otherwise we have two distinct levels of heirarchy in our country. Those in the government and the common populous. One which have more rights than the other. That is not what our country was founded on. Why? Beecause usually that means the one group has the ability to be a bully and push around the other group, as history has always indicated.

 

[dmens]

Oh the ironing...

The mere fact that you can post on this forum points to the complete and utter success of Democracy as the pre-eminent form of Government.

Your attitude is pretty amusing though.

But feel free to point how Democracy has held back the advancement of the Human race compared to all other types we have had.

Cynicism is not an argument by the way.

Because the 1st Amendment on the Bill of Rights wasn't created by a rebellion, it was created by the Government (capitalizing that word shows you're fucking insane), the same one that constantly threatens to censor and seize control of the internet, and the same one that has thrown people in prison for the thoughtcrime of being anarchists or muslims. Right you are.

 

[dmens]

What irony? You're the one who sees yourself as such...

I see myself as a citizen.

Enjoy your meaningless voting and manufactured consent, citizen.

 

[jackstar7]

Enjoy your meaningless voting and manufactured consent, citizen.

Will do. You watch out for the team being deployed to black-bag you... any... minute... now...

 

[Darwin333]

Also, to really make the argument, private citizens would need nukes to keep the gov't in check. Only the batshit crazy think private citizens should have access to nukes.

Only the batshit crazy would think that the US government is going to purposely use nuclear weapons against US citizens on US soil.

 

[Darwin333]

I was going to attempt to explain it to you but Penn and Teller have dumbed it down enough (well, I hope at least) for you to understand already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MATTUiz2TKc

 

[dmens]

Will do. You watch out for the team being deployed to black-bag you... any... minute... now...

The fact that people in the US *have* been black-bagged and thrown into prison for nothing more than thoughtcrimes makes your attempt at humor pretty lame.

 

[Darwin333]

I see what you did there.

I also see how you completely ignored the "well regulated" part.

But then, you would have to ignore that part to support the rest of your rather stretchy extrapolation of whatever the founders intended.

Guess you missed the comma and then the entire "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED


Why in the everliving fuck would the framers of the Constitution put, as the 2nd amendment no less, that the government has the right to have an army and that army has the right guaranteed in the Bill of Rights to have guns??? On what planet does that make sense? Are you seriously implying that the government would not be able to form an armed army without the 2nd amendment??

 

[jackstar7]

The fact that people in the US *have* been black-bagged and thrown into prison for nothing more than thoughtcrimes makes your attempt at humor pretty lame.

That usually means the joke is on you.

 

[dmens]

That usually means the joke is on you.

Yeah, laughing at the innocents preyed on by the state. That's hilarious man.

 

[Ausm]

I was going to attempt to explain it to you but Penn and Teller have dumbed it down enough (well, I hope at least) for you to understand already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MATTUiz2TKc

Thx for Wowing me with your knowledge.....

 

[lotus503]

You have the right to bears arms, its pretty clear those are limited as you cant have nukes etc. all the government has to do is make it more narrow than it is now and they will.

 

[jackstar7]

Yeah, laughing at the innocents preyed on by the state. That's hilarious man.

Yes... so many innocents.

If only they'd been armed, since I assume they never are or they'd be free right now.

 

[sm625]

Way off the deep end? lol. This government has gone way way beyond the deep end. They've broken the liner and are swimming down the aquifer right now. Even after events like these clearly show the fallacy of the "gun free zone mentality", you still have people blindly charging forward with the victim disarmament mentality. A good 30% of this country would follow this corrupt regime right off the edge of a cliff. Mentally, morally, and spiritually bankrupt people. The extremely caustic nature of the way these people discard truth, facts, data, and sound logic can only be explained one way:

They are part of a cult.

A cult of death.

Look at this symbol:

These signs and sigils are death omens, and are part of a death ritual. The symbol has a face value that people generally accept as meaning one thing ("no weapons allowed"), but upon careful analysis of the symbol it clearly means something else ("helpless victims here"). These dual-purpose symbols are all around us, but most people cannot properly interpret their meaning. That is how these death rituals are initiated by the dumbed down unknowing unthinking masses. Then to make matters worse they lock and chain the doors to these ritual killing zones, further strengthening the death omen. And then when you look at what's being done to the minds of these children in these schools, ugh... its like a honeypot for death.

 

[BoberFett]

Yes... so many innocents.

If only they'd been armed, since I assume they never are or they'd be free right now.

Pol Pot would be proud of you.

 

[OrByte]

You have the right to bears arms, its pretty clear those are limited as you cant have nukes etc. all the government has to do is make it more narrow than it is now and they will.

But NO!

a well armed militia of the people have the right to their arms!

If they want Assault rifles it is their right!

If they want land mines or agent orange or nerve gas splattered all over the mexican boarder...it is their right!

If they want a dirty bomb to go and take out all of them mexican drug cartel owned villages out on the Arizona boarder...it is THEIR RIGHT!

 

[jackstar7]

Pol Pot would be proud of you.

Meh. I just want to know more about these many cases of innocents citizens being black-bagged by the government.

But hey, way to have nothing to say, but say it anyway.

 

[dmens]

Meh. I just want to know more about these many cases of innocents citizens being black-bagged by the government.

But hey, way to have nothing to say, but say it anyway.

Apparently the half million non-violent "drug offenders" incarcerated in federal prisons don't qualify, because drugs are bad mmmkay? Neither do the Japanese citizens exiled into the desert for years because FDR was a racist pig, or the 78 civilians burned to a crisp by the FBI at Waco. And don't forget the anti-war activists locked up by Lincoln, or the socialists locked up then exiled by Wilson during WW1.

A few holes in education given at your public prison-daycare center.

 

[Darwin333]

Thx for Wowing me with your knowledge.....

No thanks required, besides I couldn't take credit for something so absurdly easy as wowing you with knowledge.

 

[BoberFett]

Meh. I just want to know more about these many cases of innocents citizens being black-bagged by the government.

But hey, way to have nothing to say, but say it anyway.

I tried to educate you, you ignored it. Maybe you should actually try reading about what the Khmer Rouge did in an attempt to cleanse their country of undesirables. Ever heard of the Killing Fields? Governments routinely kill millions of their own citizens, do you think this country is impervious what has happened repeatedly throughout history?

 

[OverVolt]

Essentially the anti-gun crowd has taken to 100% ignoring any of the valid counter-arguments. So that shows who the retards are right there.

The 1938 German Weapons Act
-Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or ownership of firearms and ammunition.

On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.

Considering it was written in 1791, thus far the founders knew wtf they were talking about thank you very much.

 

[dmens]

Essentially the anti-gun crowd has taken to 100% ignoring any of the valid counter-arguments. So that shows who the retards are right there.

The 1938 German Weapons Act
-Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or ownership of firearms and ammunition.

On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.

Considering it was written in 1791, thus far the founders knew wtf they were talking about thank you very much.

Trivia fact: The 1968 Gun Control Act passed in the US CONgress copied the Nazi "sporting clause" word for word.

 

[jackstar7]

I tried to educate you, you ignored it. Maybe you should actually try reading about what the Khmer Rouge did in an attempt to cleanse their country of undesirables. Ever heard of the Killing Fields? Governments routinely kill millions of their own citizens, do you think this country is impervious what has happened repeatedly throughout history?

Impervious... yep. That's not the word I'd use, but I can agree with it.

I can't reconcile all the people who live here happily, but think we're one bad bottle of tequila from being a continental hellscape.

 

[lotus503]

Impervious... yep. That's not the word I'd use, but I can agree with it.

I can't reconcile all the people who live here happily, but think we're one bad bottle of tequila from being a continental hellscape.

"The end is near"

Near compared what is very debatable. Near compared to the creation of the solar system, near compared to?

 

[jackstar7]

Apparently the half million non-violent "drug offenders" incarcerated in federal prisons don't qualify, because drugs are bad mmmkay? Neither do the Japanese citizens exiled into the desert for years because FDR was a racist pig, or the 78 civilians burned to a crisp by the FBI at Waco. And don't forget the anti-war activists locked up by Lincoln, or the socialists locked up then exiled by Wilson during WW1.

A few holes in education given at your public prison-daycare center.

You've got a rhetoric worked out, and that's great. The funny thing is I'm not the one with the problem living here. You're the one who seems to hate America as a tragic failure. And those are certainly interesting examples to cite. Do you believe strongly in no rule of law? Do you actively work against it in any tangible ways?

Also, I'm not even strongly in favor of gun control. I would just like gun owners to own up to their either treating their guns as toys (target shooters, collectors, etc.) or security blankets.

Until there is some honesty from them, it's hard to really respect them.