Why the left hates Trump so intensely

[fskimospy]

Right now? I'm taking a bath in water scented with eau de Trump.

Later, I'll be watching to see if 0bama is booed by the right like the left did Bush at 0bama's inaugural.

Probably not, considering GWB was one of the most widely hated presidents of all time as he left office and Obama is quite popular.

It's almost as if people like presidents who did a good job. Not you of course, as you only care about if they have the magic (R) after their name, but normal people.

 

[Jhhnn]

Right now? I'm taking a bath in water scented with eau de Trump.

Later, I'll be watching to see if 0bama is booed by the right like the left did Bush at 0bama's inaugural.

Was that kinda like McCain being booed by his own supporters at his concession speech? Or was it because GWB & Repub policy ushered in the greatest economic catastrophe since the Great Depression?

 

[Orignal Earl]

I am on the side of history where I, or people like me, provided arms and training to one group of Muslims to fight the Russians (Afghanistan),

The most important part of the training you provided was the teaching /spreading of Salafi jihadism.
Which led to Daesh, Boko, AQ etc

From U.S., the ABC's of Jihad

In the twilight of the Cold War, the United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...030-9a96-0d48f6355e54/?utm_term=.2b23c919aa54

The terms "Salafist jihadist" and "Jihadist-Salafism" were coined by scholar Gilles Kepel in 2002[3][4][5][6] to describe "a hybrid Islamist ideology" developed by international Islamist volunteers in the Afghan anti-Soviet jihad who had become isolated from their national and social class origins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_jihadism

 

[z1ggy]

The left hates Trump generally and at the most highest level because he is the polar opposite of what they are, or at least what they think they represent.

He is rude, ignorant and on the whole just a big talking head (at least his public persona is). D's think they stand for tolerance and acceptance for all, and he is the literal representation of everything that is not.

 

[greatnoob]

I am on the side of history where I, or people like me, provided arms and training to one group of Muslims to fight the Russians (Afghanistan)

It's impressive that you trained them to explode so gracefully on the first try, considering the average human only has 1 life. You sound very proud of breeding terrorism in Afghanistan and the ME, I don't know why.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I don't hate him, I dislike him because:

he's a braggart
He show zero signs of gratitude

If I am proven wrong I'll attempt to find this thread again and apologize, if he changes his behavior I'll accept it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

It's impressive that you trained them to explode so gracefully on the first try, considering the average human only has 1 life. You sound very proud of breeding terrorism in Afghanistan and the ME, I don't know why.

Soldiers don't set policy, we are the pointy stick of foreign policy. The reason I resigned is because I no longer agreed with where the politicians were pointing me.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The most important part of the training you provided was the teaching /spreading of Salafi jihadism.
Which led to Daesh, Boko, AQ etc

From U.S., the ABC's of Jihad



https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...030-9a96-0d48f6355e54/?utm_term=.2b23c919aa54



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_jihadism

So to put it in Con's terminology, reaping what you sow

 

[Starbuck1975]

The most important part of the training you provided was the teaching /spreading of Salafi jihadism.
Which led to Daesh, Boko, AQ etc

From U.S., the ABC's of Jihad



https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...030-9a96-0d48f6355e54/?utm_term=.2b23c919aa54



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_jihadism

I didn't specifically provide the training. I think you missed the point of what I was saying in my frustration that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" doctrine of the Cold War created alliances with factions who later turned on us. Hell, we even provided backing to Saddam Hussein because he was the rational one against the more urgent Iranian threat.

We also protected many marginalized minority Muslim populations from Christian oppression, and yet that bought us little goodwill.

 

[interchange]

Wut? Of course it's a product of Repub ideology. There's even a name for it- Right Wing Authoritarianism. It's not unique to the Right but that's where it lives.

So then is crime a product of being black?

Is terrorism a product of being Muslim? After all, there's even a name for it: "Radical Islamic Terrorism".

As @agent00f has so eloquently described, this is a recurring historical problem. Although I agree that the current version is supported by conservative ideology, this ideology is neither necessary nor sufficient to produce this style of governance. After all, history (and present time) is littered with such tyranny among the most ideologically left-leaning governments.

More specifically to the hazard I am trying to highlight, I don't find it practical in any way to damn republicans as a group (particularly citizens). As history also clearly proves, it is the rare exception for someone to shed the safety of a group identity to intervene on a tragedy. We as humans are littered with so many psychic ways to even escape awareness that such a tragedy is occurring, that damning someone for this would be akin to blaming a blind person for being hit by a car. Sure, the blind person was wrong to try to cross the street, as are Republicans wrong for turning a blind eye to the corruption that is ever-growing, but this wrongness is a product of being predictably human.

If you wish to bring the masses to their senses, it must be done by compensating for the safety in the group identity that someone would be giving up to go against the badness. At the very least, could we not validate the position that someone held before the corruption existed? Validation need not entail agreement.

In all honesty, I think the drive to punish the group as a whole is a selfish one. It is an opportunity to support one's own sense of goodness. This is accomplished by generalizing the badness in the other to areas where the attribution does not fit in order to sharpen the contrast between good self and bad other.

And the damnation of the other is an accusation of hypocritical distortion in order to support self-esteem. How ironic.

 

[werepossum]

Soldiers don't set policy, we are the pointy stick of foreign policy. The reason I resigned is because I no longer agreed with where the politicians were pointing me.

Thank you for your service, and kudos for having the moral courage to resign your commission when you could no longer serve in good faith. One ability all humans have is the innate ability to rationalize our own behavior, so it's always nice to see someone rise above that.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Thank you for your service, and kudos for having the moral courage to resign your commission when you could no longer serve in good faith. One ability all humans have is the innate ability to rationalize our own behavior, so it's always nice to see someone rise above that.

Much appreciated but no gratitude necessary. I received fair compensation for my service given I never heard a shot fired in anger. I lost faith somewhere between the arrogant bombing of Serbia and the irresponsible invasion of Iraq.

 

[agent00f]

I am on the side of history where I, or people like me, provided arms and training to one group of Muslims to fight the Russians (Afghanistan), tried to rid another Muslim nation of oppressive warlords (Somalia) and defended marginalized ethnic minority Muslims from a Christian majority (Balkans), and then watched some of those very same people attack my city because some rich oil prince got bored and decided to play army.

I then watched one idiot President line up all the pins, the next idiot President knock them all down and a third President, who had he not listened to the surrogates and spouse of the first President, probably had the capability to contain the situation. Instead, we now have a worsened problem of nefarious agents hiding within the stream of a massive humanitarian crisis, and the UN watching it with its thumb up its ass.

I am on the right side of history. Which side are you on?

I'm sure the lesson you've learned from all this is that current levels of white welfare funding the circle of life mentioned (where "life" here means quite a bit of death) is somehow justified or even inadequate.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I'm sure the lesson you've learned from all this is that current levels of white welfare funding the circle of life mentioned (where "life" here means quite a bit of death) is somehow justified or even inadequate.

I've learned that history repeats itself. I never thought I would see in my lifetime cruelty on par with what the Nazis did, yet I saw first hand the cruelty of mankind...interestingly enough, white Europeans killing other white Europeans over their preferred flavor of monotheist god

 

[agent00f]

I've learned that history repeats itself. I never thought I would see in my lifetime cruelty on par with what the Nazis did, yet I saw first hand the cruelty of mankind...interestingly enough, white Europeans killing other white Europeans over their preferred flavor of monotheist god

The nazi subjugating/exterminating lesser peoples out of convenient self-interest was certainly nothing new given the history of our country, and like you said it continues though in more legal restricted capacity by more dominant groups conveniently blaming lesser scapegoats for all their problems today.

 

[SNC]

Why the left hates Trump so intensely

Why is it you think it's only the left that hates him?

 

[agent00f]

Why is it you think it's only the left that hates him?

I think it's pretty obvious given well #nevertrump worked out.

 

[SNC]

I think it's pretty obvious given well #nevertrump worked out.

It's really only "obvious" to those with a one track mind, like well, you. The right is nothing like it was a few years ago, it has morphed into a tea party like mob with a 'I'm the only thing that matters and fuck the rest of you' mentality. The "right" elected someone with ideals that just a few years ago would have been ridiculed as a rhino. A person that bashes and ridicules every other company for doing manufacturing overseas, and threatening them with tariffs all the while having his entire line of clothing made outside of the USA. I'm not sure what it takes to cause a reasonable person to look past these kinds of things.

 

[FIVR]

I don't hate him

It would be quite the complex if you did. You do nothing here but troll on his behalf.



FYI nobody here is falling for your "left-wing" concern troll schtick. We can all tell who you really support.

 

[MongGrel]

Except none of those things are happening.

They happening, as we speak

 

[MongGrel]

I don't hate him, I dislike him because:

he's a braggart
He show zero signs of gratitude

If I am proven wrong I'll attempt to find this thread again and apologize, if he changes his behavior I'll accept it.

Actually I think I hate the guy, but that is me I suppose.

 

[Starbuck1975]

They happening, as we speak

What do you perceive is happening?

 

[MongGrel]

What do you perceive is happening?

You ought to read the news more.

I'm not about to look things up for you, I've already posted it elsewhere on the forums yesterday.

Is almost amusing you seem to know about my aversion to the word perceive to begin with, good for you

 

[Starbuck1975]

You ought to read the news more and post less.

I'm not about to look things up for you.

I read the news frequently, but events are open to interpretation. Again, what do you perceive is happening?

 

[MongGrel]

I read the news frequently, but events are open to interpretation. Again, what do you perceive is happening?

NM, I was going to repost a few things but I'd rather be doing something else.