Yep, join Helen Thomas, Tom Daschle, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda, Jellomancer and the rest of their ilk. Spew some crap with NOTHING to back it up and offer NOTHING as far as a second opinion, let alone an alternative solution. Typical left wing obstruction in the guise of "loyal opposition". Puhlease! :disgust:
Yes, everyone who disagrees with Bush's policies does it because they hate America
You have a few hacks writing books that exploit and widen existing political divisions to make a quick buck. Nothing more, nothing less. Just a liberal hating industry.
You have a few hacks writing books that exploit and widen existing political divisions to make a quick buck. Nothing more, nothing less. Just a liberal hating industry.
Yes, the extreme left IS a bad thing, but for a prime example of hatred of America, look no further than the Bush administration you seem to love so damn much.
Immediately after September 11th, they get started on the road to Dictatorship. The Patriot Act, which defines pretty much everything that isn't total agreement with Bush's agenda as terrorism, allows people to be detained indefinately without being charged and without access to legal council, and allows Police to just come in unannounced and tear up anyone's home, gets railroaded through congress, accelerated by threats from Bush. Some of the most critical of our rights as Americans are gone, and the people of the country are supportive of it?
Now Bush wants his Homeland Security bullshit passed. This creates an agency that is a pretty good clone of the KGB. It is created with good intentions, but the agency has too much power, and power corrupts. Also, a database of everything that everyone ever does is created and can be searched by this over-the-top agency. Our privacy is gone, and the people of the country are supportive of it?
All of this is very disturbing to me, but the worst part of it is that, somehow, the people of the United States have been convinced that to fight this obsucre "threat of terrorism", they must give up their rights as Americans. Why are we fighting terrorism? "To defend our freedom" is a pretty common answer.
So let me get this straight. We have to give up our freedom, to defend our freedom? I am confused.
Who is doing all of this elimination of freedom, abusing it, and convincing Americans that it is a good thing? The BUSH ADMINISTRATION. To work so hard to destroy our freedom shows that he and they truly hate America.
/me voted for Al Gore
Immediately after September 11th, they get started on the road to Dictatorship. The Patriot Act, which defines pretty much everything that isn't total agreement with Bush's agenda as terrorism, allows people to be detained indefinately without being charged and without access to legal council, and allows Police to just come in unannounced and tear up anyone's home, gets railroaded through congress, accelerated by threats from Bush. Some of the most critical of our rights as Americans are gone, and the people of the country are supportive of it?
Now Bush wants his Homeland Security bullshit passed. This creates an agency that is a pretty good clone of the KGB. It is created with good intentions, but the agency has too much power, and power corrupts. Also, a database of everything that everyone ever does is created and can be searched by this over-the-top agency. Our privacy is gone, and the people of the country are supportive of it?
All of this is very disturbing to me, but the worst part of it is that, somehow, the people of the United States have been convinced that to fight this obsucre "threat of terrorism", they must give up their rights as Americans. Why are we fighting terrorism? "To defend our freedom" is a pretty common answer.
So let me get this straight. We have to give up our freedom, to defend our freedom? I am confused.
Who is doing all of this elimination of freedom, abusing it, and convincing Americans that it is a good thing? The BUSH ADMINISTRATION. To work so hard to destroy our freedom shows that he and they truly hate America.
/me voted for Al Gore
Another absolute dumbass surfaces.....
Be specific or STFU!
Typical Liberal.....nothing but name calling...:|
Be specific or STFU!
Typical Liberal.....nothing but name calling...:|
What? You link to an Amazon book page and then some articles about left opposition of war with Iraq (where's the connection here??). What's the point of you original post??
Talk about spewing some crap with nothing to back it up.....
"...a few hacks writing books..."
Well, we have Babs and company out in Hollywood, but they're all FAR left and not to be counted among the "moderate Democrats", right?
We have Daschle & Gephardt, and Ole' Helen Thomas spewing garbage, same as Babs, but they sure aren't far left, are they?
"So let me get this straight. We have to give up our freedom, to defend our freedom?"
I have YET to hear another plan from ANY of these obstructionists. NOTHING! :frown:
Well, we have Babs and company out in Hollywood, but they're all FAR left and not to be counted among the "moderate Democrats", right?
We have Daschle & Gephardt, and Ole' Helen Thomas spewing garbage, same as Babs, but they sure aren't far left, are they?
"So let me get this straight. We have to give up our freedom, to defend our freedom?"
I have YET to hear another plan from ANY of these obstructionists. NOTHING! :frown:
mmm hmm, just look at the post that I was responding to. At least 1/2 of his arguments were pointless or easily refuted, but I just didn't feel like wasting the energy at the time. Sorry. I'll just say now that it's interesting how he believes the Bush administration about the link between Saddam and terrorism, but not the same Bush administration who states that the OBL tapes are most likely real. Also how he pooh-poohs the latest FBI warnings and still maintains that we're winning the war on terror when clearly a significant threat remains against us.
You sure live up to your name don't you? One would think I insulted your mother or something for all the vitriol you spewed at me for a completely innocent action. All I did at first was directly ask you a very simple question, which, interestingly enough, YOU DIDN'T ANSWER. Hmmmm..... and then you accuse me of association with, frankly, very vile people (1 of whom I have no idea who she is, and 2 of whom I'd just as soon see dead), as well as backing down from an argument when the heat's turned on. Well let's just look at the evidence in this thread, shall we? In contrast to YOUR COMPLETE LACK OF A RESPONSE to my VERY SIMPLE question, others answered me, and I answered right back, and I've yet to see any good arguments made against the statements I put forth. charrison was being politely terse in his reply, and the vibe I got was that he really didn't want to take this any farther, so I backed down and called it a night.
Jesus Christ you political blowhards really piss me off sometimes. Remove the plank from your own eye before you try to help me remove the speck in mine. Oh yeah that's right, you weren't helping me were you, you actually spitting in my eye. If you can't see that, then all I have to say to you is "fu(k you". And no, I don't care if I'm vacationed or banned for that statement, because I'm right and you're wrong, asshole. YOU started this, and in doing so showed so major a hypocrisy that it makes me wonder if you even have a brain capable of understanding the concept. Have a nice day.
:disgust:
"What's the point of you original post??"
I'm not seeing much difference between the supposedly "moderate Democrats" and the nut cases that Daniel Flynn writes about. He makes a point to spell out the difference between "those who view 'Amerika' as so inherently corrupt" and their liberal brothers, but when it comes to a solution for terrorism and response to 9-11, I ain't seeing much difference at all!
I'm not seeing much difference between the supposedly "moderate Democrats" and the nut cases that Daniel Flynn writes about. He makes a point to spell out the difference between "those who view 'Amerika' as so inherently corrupt" and their liberal brothers, but when it comes to a solution for terrorism and response to 9-11, I ain't seeing much difference at all!
They are all hacks too. Who cares. I don't see any liberals buying Babs political books anyways. There are herds of people who like to whip up hatred to sell books or promote their political careers, without any concideration of what this divisiveness is doing to the fabric of this country.
"do you disagree with that statement?"
Gee, I don't know, let's see what my reply was:
Gee, I don't know, let's see what my reply was:
- Is this "typical Democrat" from another planet? WTF do you call the Taliban collapse in Afghanistan?. Does the Hellfire missile up the ass of Abu Ali count for nothing? God knows what other disasters have been thwarted! The Homeland Security Department is almost a reality, no thanks to the likes of Tom Daschle & friends.
Originally posted by: Ornery
"They are all hacks too. Who cares."
Daschle & Gephardt, and Helen Thomas are hacks?
Let's see. Two politicians and a journalist.
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Originally posted by: Tominator
Another absolute dumbass surfaces.....
Be specific or STFU!
Typical Liberal.....nothing but name calling...:|
Oh the irony espeially before your edit.
My lack of TYPING skills, not lack of THINKING skills!
There are NO simple questions! No SIMPLE answers! The President stated quite plainly this would be an ongoing effort that would take YEARS!
Liberals are dumbasses!
You CAN quote me!
:|
Yes, how can we forget The Homeland Security Department
"no thanks to the likes of Tom Daschle & friends" is a compliment to them. Of course they are too busy worrying about big labor to kill this homeland security sham for the right reasons.
Republicans specialize in terrorist and other external threats. Because we hate ourselves and don't know it, we project that hate outwardly. We feel that we are surrounded by threats, that we are hated. Politicians are good psychologists and, especially the most worthless of them, the ones that seek office for personal gain instead of the welfare of others, sense this externalized fear and feed it and groom it into political ideologies. This was how McCarthyism worked. Now the terrorists handed the specialists in this art form, the Republicans, a ready made ticket into office. There is nothing the Democrats can do. Frightened people can't think or reason out what is happening to them. We have our religion that is supposed to help us with this and the example of Christ who was compassionate to the end, but people like that don't grow on trees. We are chimpanzees and when the leopard screams we head for the trees and hurl our taunts.
This first seemingly innocent and helpful bill grew about 10x in size overnight leaving many representives voting on something they have not even had a chance to read.
I got an idea - why don't we exhume McCarthy and prosecute all the pinko commies for treason in this country? God knows anyone who doesn't unconditionally agree with our ideas should be labeled unpatriotic and shouldn't be in our country. You set up the stakes, I'll get the fire going.
It was a response. It was DOING something instead of wringing our hands and wondering what the next crisis would be. Again, I've yet to hear a damn thing offered from the left as far as a better solution. The most I heard was crap about understanding why we were attacked in the first place. That our foreign policy brought this on us. We apparently "deserved" it!
Edit:
"I got an idea - why don't we exhume McCarthy and prosecute all the pinko commies for treason in this country?"
Another lazy liberal who can't click a damn link. (Where the author "draws a distinction between liberals...")
Edit:
"I got an idea - why don't we exhume McCarthy and prosecute all the pinko commies for treason in this country?"
Another lazy liberal who can't click a damn link. (Where the author "draws a distinction between liberals...")
Daschle has been sitting on the bill for MONTHS!
How long does it take for a Liberal to learn to read?:Q
How long does it take for a Liberal to learn to read?:Q
hmmm, all I saw in that post of yours was a response to other people. Let's see, you quoted BDawg, Hayabusarider, and Jellomancer. Not one mention of the specific question I asked, and frankly I don't see how you expected me to read you mind to see that you were "answering" my question. To parse your answer piece by piece:
rhetorical I assume, and I don't know who you're referring to when you talk about the "typical Democrat".
The collapse of a government that harbored al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. A government, a ruling body of a geopolitical entity. NOT necessarily terrorists themselves. But do I really have a problem with that? No, of course not.... it was a justified response IMO, but that happened *very* quickly and, well, all we've done is capture a bunch of Taliban but we have no proof that we've captured or killed very many of al Qaeda's senior leaders, esp. OBL.
no, as I said above, good work, but that doesn't mean jack sh|t if there's 10 other just like him still running around loose.
Again you have no problem believing GWB when he asserts that he's made progress in capturing terrorists, while you (well maybe not you but others of your ilk) simultaneously deny that GWB's right that the voice in the tape is OBL's.
Sure, in one sense I guess it's "progress" in the war against terrorism, but I only see it as progress towards a police state. We've already got plenty of existing entities whose purpose it is to defend the U.S>, but hmmmm I guess they haven't succeeded have they?
In conclusion, I apologize for my earlier statements because I truly did not believe that your above statements were intended as a reply to my question, but I still think your reply is empty and does NOTHING to disprove Daschle's statement that the War on Terror could validly be seen as a failure thus far, with evidence that OBL is still alive and the FBI warning of something major to happen very soon. Has there been some progress? Yes. Is it enough? Obviously not, if we're about to get attacked again and we're unable to prevent it.
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Look, I have no problem with going after the terrorists who planned the attack on the U.S., and if you'll look at my responses in this thread I don't think you'll find anything to contradict that! I'm all for a war on terrorism, if it's effective. However, I don't believe that the bulk of the current policies have the slightest chance of being sufficiently effective.
You've failed to realize that there might be reasons OTHER than "being an ignorant jackass knee-jerk liberal" for opposing the Bush administration's policies! Anyone who disagrees with you gets painted by this "liberal" brush, even though I personally hold very complex political beliefs, some of which might be seen as "liberal" but an equal number of which could be seen as "conservative". If you weren't so eager to lump all of the naysayers into one gigantic "jackass" category whose opinions you dismiss out of hand, maybe you'd learn something!
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