Why the FoxNews and Bushies are sheeple.

[techs]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq

Rice says US-Iraq coming together on timetables

BAGHDAD - Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice and Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said Thursday the two countries have agreed that timetables should be set for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the battle-scarred country.




Remember the hysterical proclamations by the Bushies and FoxNews how timetables were the end of the world?
Remember how poster after poster made hysterical proclamations that timetables were the end of the world?
It's amazing how propaganda can blind people. It's also amazing that despite repeated 180 degree turns by the Bushies and FoxNews their sheeple don't even realize how they are being mis-led!

 

[StageLeft]

It's amazing how propaganda can blind people. It's also amazing that despite repeated 180 degree turns by the Bushies and FoxNews their sheeple don't even realize how they are being mis-led!

It is, and they will rationalize it away as "Well of course timetables didn't make sense before, they do now."

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: techs

Remember the hysterical proclamations by the Bushies and FoxNews how timetables were the end of the world?

It's amazing how propaganda can blind people.

It's also amazing that despite repeated 180 degree turns by the Bushies and FoxNews their sheeple don't even realize how they are being mis-led!

"Still doing a heck of a job"

"Mission Accomplished"

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I would think everyone here would be happy...go figure. IMO...the sooner we get out of there the better. Surely you can find better reasons to criticize Bush

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq

Rice says US-Iraq coming together on timetables

BAGHDAD - Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice and Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said Thursday the two countries have agreed that timetables should be set for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the battle-scarred country.




Remember the hysterical proclamations by the Bushies and FoxNews how timetables were the end of the world?
Remember how poster after poster made hysterical proclamations that timetables were the end of the world?
It's amazing how propaganda can blind people. It's also amazing that despite repeated 180 degree turns by the Bushies and FoxNews their sheeple don't even realize how they are being mis-led!

I think a valid rationalization is that a timetable wasn't feasable until we were in a position to withdraw in the first place.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
I would think everyone here would be happy...go figure. IMO...the sooner we get out of there the better. Surely you can find better reasons to criticize Bush

Please. This is a pretty damn good criticism. He was boner-stiff horned up about how awful timetables were. Every republican was circle jerking over that and now they are going for timetables. The timing seems interesting, given an election is coming up against a guy who wants timetables isn't it?

 

[Skitzer]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Who cares ....... we're getting closer to leaving that fucking useless war.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
I would think everyone here would be happy...go figure. IMO...the sooner we get out of there the better. Surely you can find better reasons to criticize Bush

Please. This is a pretty damn good criticism. He was boner-stiff horned up about how awful timetables were. Every republican was circle jerking over that and now they are going for timetables. The timing seems interesting, given an election is coming up against a guy who wants timetables isn't it?

To them, Bush is like a god. If he decided to bomb Mexico tomorrow they would agree. The movie Idiocracy defines these people.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Skitzer
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Who cares ....... we're getting closer to leaving that fucking useless war.

No, more like being caled a "traitor/surrendering to terrorists/cut and run" if you did. Except now. Now it's ok. I smell a Daily Show montage....

 

[Skitzer]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Skitzer
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Who cares ....... we're getting closer to leaving that fucking useless war.

No, more like being caled a "traitor/surrendering to terrorists/cut and run" if you did. Except now. Now it's ok. I smell a Daily Show montage....

You're beating a dead horse ....... this is common knowledge, even most Repubs are aware of the irony. Can you say " bad administration and policies"?
All this is widely known ......... lets move forward and get the hell out of Iraq and remove this fucked up administration and it's President. It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike.

 

[alchemize]

I bet you thought long and hard on how to turn good news on it's ear, techs :laugh:

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I bet you thought long and hard on how to turn good news on it's ear, techs :laugh:

I think he's just pointing out the hypocrisy. The anti-war side wanted timetables and were blasted for it by the pro-war side.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Skitzer

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Skitzer
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Who cares ....... we're getting closer to leaving that fucking useless war.

No, more like being caled a "traitor/surrendering to terrorists/cut and run" if you did. Except now. Now it's ok. I smell a Daily Show montage....

You're beating a dead horse ....... this is common knowledge, even most Repubs are aware of the irony. Can you say " bad administration and policies"?
All this is widely known ......... lets move forward and get the hell out of Iraq and remove this fucked up administration and it's President. It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike.

I disagree, and I'm still pissed off at being called a terrorist sympathizer and appeaser by my president because I believed in a different course of action than him. The reps didn't offer logical and strategic reasons why I was wrong, they played upon both sides' fear; Americans's fear of another attack, and the dissenters' fear that opposition would result in ostracism. I'm sure the reps would absolutely love it if everyone just "moved on" and didn't examine their words and how they treated those they disagreed with. The reps count on short term memory loss to get elected. Unfortunately it mostly works.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Back when the Insurgents were fighting in much stronger force giving a withdrawal date would have been foolish. However, with the Insurgency reduced considerably and the tide turned, of course it's easy now to announce a withdrawal date.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
I would think everyone here would be happy...go figure. IMO...the sooner we get out of there the better. Surely you can find better reasons to criticize Bush

Please. This is a pretty damn good criticism. He was boner-stiff horned up about how awful timetables were. Every republican was circle jerking over that and now they are going for timetables. The timing seems interesting, given an election is coming up against a guy who wants timetables isn't it?

To them, Bush is like a god. If he decided to bomb Mexico tomorrow they would agree. The movie Idiocracy defines these people.

Yeah...that's it...that's the ticket. :roll:

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Skitzer

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Skitzer
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Who cares ....... we're getting closer to leaving that fucking useless war.

No, more like being caled a "traitor/surrendering to terrorists/cut and run" if you did. Except now. Now it's ok. I smell a Daily Show montage....

You're beating a dead horse ....... this is common knowledge, even most Repubs are aware of the irony. Can you say " bad administration and policies"?
All this is widely known ......... lets move forward and get the hell out of Iraq and remove this fucked up administration and it's President. It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike.

I disagree, and I'm still pissed off at being called a terrorist sympathizer and appeaser by my president because I believed in a different course of action than him. The reps didn't offer logical and strategic reasons why I was wrong, they played upon both sides' fear; Americans's fear of another attack, and the dissenters' fear that opposition would result in ostracism. I'm sure the reps would absolutely love it if everyone just "moved on" and didn't examine their words and how they treated those they disagreed with. The reps count on short term memory loss to get elected. Unfortunately it mostly works.

I agree with what you say Jonks and I bolded the above comment from Skitzer because this is the type of dismissive remark that really is at the heart of everything wrong with the Bush/Neocon supporters

Oh Bush was wrong about WMDs and Iraq?? lets move forward....It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike

Oh, Bush and Co wanted to spy on Americans? lets move forward....It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike

Oh Bush and Co bungled Katrina and 1000 of people got fvcked in the process? lets move forward....It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike

Oh, Bush and Co udermined the hiring process for US Attorneys? lets move forward....It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike

Oh, Bush and Co dont want to assign a timetable for withdrawal and now they do? lets move forward....It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike

You guys can go to hell. The majority of Americans have been "whining" about all the bad sh!t Bush and Co have done and you have always, and will always continue, to dismiss it even though the "whiners" have been pretty much right all along. :|

 

[RKDaley]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Skitzer

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Skitzer
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Who cares ....... we're getting closer to leaving that fucking useless war.

No, more like being caled a "traitor/surrendering to terrorists/cut and run" if you did. Except now. Now it's ok. I smell a Daily Show montage....

You're beating a dead horse ....... this is common knowledge, even most Repubs are aware of the irony. Can you say " bad administration and policies"?
All this is widely known ......... lets move forward and get the hell out of Iraq and remove this fucked up administration and it's President. It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike.

I disagree, and I'm still pissed off at being called a terrorist sympathizer and appeaser by my president because I believed in a different course of action than him. The reps didn't offer logical and strategic reasons why I was wrong, they played upon both sides' fear; Americans's fear of another attack, and the dissenters' fear that opposition would result in ostracism. I'm sure the reps would absolutely love it if everyone just "moved on" and didn't examine their words and how they treated those they disagreed with. The reps count on short term memory loss to get elected. Unfortunately it mostly works.

I agree with what you say Jonks and I bolded the above comment from Skitzer because this is the type of dismissive remark that really is at the heart of everything wrong with the Bush/Neocon supporters

Oh Bush was wrong about WMDs and Iraq?? lets move forward....It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike

Oh, Bush and Co wanted to spy on Americans? lets move forward....It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike

Oh Bush and Co bungled Katrina and 1000 of people got fvcked in the process? lets move forward....It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike

Oh, Bush and Co udermined the hiring process for US Attorneys? lets move forward....It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike

Oh, Bush and Co dont want to assign a timetable for withdrawal and now they do? lets move forward....It does no good to whine about things like this, it makes you look petty and childlike

You guys can go to hell. The majority of Americans have been "whining" about all the bad sh!t Bush and Co have done and you have always, and will always continue, to dismiss it even though the "whiners" have been pretty much right all along. :|

QFT!!!

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Back when the Insurgents were fighting in much stronger force giving a withdrawal date would have been foolish. However, with the Insurgency reduced considerably and the tide turned, of course it's easy now to announce a withdrawal date.

Then why was McCain against it as little as 40 days ago? Is he still against it?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: jonks
I disagree, and I'm still pissed off at being called a terrorist sympathizer and appeaser by my president because I believed in a different course of action than him. The reps didn't offer logical and strategic reasons why I was wrong, they played upon both sides' fear; Americans's fear of another attack, and the dissenters' fear that opposition would result in ostracism. I'm sure the reps would absolutely love it if everyone just "moved on" and didn't examine their words and how they treated those they disagreed with. The reps count on short term memory loss to get elected. Unfortunately it mostly works.

Yet, despite all that, it looks like they were right and you were wrong. I know it's hard to admit when you champion something so foolish so adamantly, but it'll be easier on you in the long run.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Back when the Insurgents were fighting in much stronger force giving a withdrawal date would have been foolish. However, with the Insurgency reduced considerably and the tide turned, of course it's easy now to announce a withdrawal date.

No actually I don't think there has been that much change recently. People were petitioning for a timtable as recently as June (Primary season) but GWB and Co and McCain were dismissing the idea because it was cowardly and un-american and the terrorists would win and all that bullshit.

but I am sure your apology is going to be the company line, and the "logic" behind your Administrations flip flop.

 

[Atreus21]

OKay wait a second. How would you guys recommend leaving Iraq if not a timetable?

The argument was not against the method, but the timing.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
OKay wait a second. How would you guys recommend leaving Iraq if not a timetable?

The argument was not against the method, but the timing.

Bullsh*t, it was always the method. If it was a timing issue, Bush et al. would have been debating the timing. They didn't; Bush was against anything to "embolden" terrorists. Clearly the intent was always to remove troops when the Iraq war was "won", but since it's not won yet, why are they discussing a timetable? To motivate? To simply cut and run? This is hypocrisy any way it's sliced.

 

[GrGr]

Heh, the timetables are largely irrelevant from a US point of view. The US will insert enough provisions and excuses and 'extraordinary circumstance' clauses to make the document practically meaningless at the end of the day. What matters now is that the US needs to move troops to Afghanistan anyway as the war there is being lost atm, so the US government can afford to give some political points to Malaki.

 

[Lemon law]

Oh but what we are missing here, read between the lines and see what GWB really wants, an agreement to permit permanent US bases in Iraq, a complete immunity from US crimes in Iraq, and as long as GWB&co can get that, anything is on the table.

And as GWB gets lamer and lamer, getting his way once again is starting to be panic time. Its rush rush rush, and cut all corners. But getting a verbal agreement in principle and having the deal properly ratified by an Iraqi Parliament are likely two quite different things.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Atreus21
OKay wait a second. How would you guys recommend leaving Iraq if not a timetable?

The argument was not against the method, but the timing.

Bullsh*t, it was always the method. If it was a timing issue, Bush et al. would have been debating the timing. They didn't; Bush was against anything to "embolden" terrorists. Clearly the intent was always to remove troops when the Iraq war was "won", but since it's not won yet, why are they discussing a timetable? To motivate? To simply cut and run? This is hypocrisy any way it's sliced.

Yup.