why the complex series of injections for execution?

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: Jhill
They should let the inmate do it him/herself by picking one of these.

I find it interesting to look at suicide vs execution. Why don't we allow inmates sentenced to death to kill themselves? To me it seems as if revenge plays a role here. We want to control that person in every way. We want to play god and decide when and how they will die. If inmates were allowed to kill themselves, it would take that power away.

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
Why not just carbon monoxide?

Exactly. It really just doesn't seem like it should be so complicated. I can think of at least 10 ways to kill someone that would be easy, cheap, and pain free.

that is cruel/unusual punishment
you could just stuff them in a burlap bag with some bricks and toss them into a pond or the ocean too

exactly

Tossing someone into a water to drown is completely on the other end of the spectrum as carbon monoxide poisoning. There is no way in hell carbon monoxide is cruel and unusual, and there is no way in hell it is painful. Haven't you ever breathed in a little too much exhaust and gotten light headed? The next step is you faint, followed by death. No pain whatsoever...

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
Why not just carbon monoxide?

Exactly. It really just doesn't seem like it should be so complicated. I can think of at least 10 ways to kill someone that would be easy, cheap, and pain free.

that is cruel/unusual punishment
you could just stuff them in a burlap bag with some bricks and toss them into a pond or the ocean too

exactly

Tossing someone into a water to drown is completely on the other end of the spectrum as carbon monoxide poisoning. There is no way in hell carbon monoxide is cruel and unusual, and there is no way in hell it is painful. Haven't you ever breathed in a little too much exhaust and gotten light headed? The next step is you faint, followed by death. No pain whatsoever...

my saying exactly was in reply to people saying there are tons of ways to die and then fobot saying it is cruel and unusual. i wasn't specifically saying carbon monoxide was cruel and unusual, althoug ti may be unusual? i dunno.

I don't necessarily agree that criminals should have a pain free death, especially for the ones that caused pain for the people they killed or whatever.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: FoBoT
pretty ludicrous when most of the criminals being put to death have put their victums through things much more cruel/unusual/painful

The state doesn't need to lower itself to the level of criminals

The state should not be killing people in the first place. Imprisonment is more of a punishment anyway- Dead men feel no guilt, pain, or the oppressiveness of being incarcerated. The only reason to support the death penalty is if you believe a hell exists and want to send them there.

 

[zinfamous]

one (or a few) are to put the person to sleep. the other(s) are to euthanize. the problem arises when the anaesthesia doesn't take, and the inmate never fully goes down before the rather painful lethal injection takes effect. this happens often, and is rarely noted.

 

[ElFenix]

they put my cat down with a large dosage of barbiturates and nothing else. why can't they off murderers the same way?

 

[destrekor]

the answer to the 'why' that keeps popping up:
because our country is too damned politically correct and has become soft due to all the bullshit legal cases that pop up at the slightest bit of 'ethical mistreatment'.

my way: kill the offender the same damned way they killed the victim. now, of course the death penalty would then only be used when it can be proven beyond any doubt that the offender is guilty. Many murder cases are pretty much that way, however some are a little more difficult. That's when you can use life in prison or something, but the death penalty shouldn't be pain free, but it can still be nice and cheap: maybe a bullet one day, gas the next, knife the next, and maybe finish the week with a chemical.

but I'm all for capital punishment and straight up execution.

As far ways that are both ethical and cheap, I agree there are many other methods possible, but I suspect the current standard is to prevent all ethical treatment cases. Using anesthesia and then CO could be seen as unethical by some greedy scumbag family members 'because it starved him of the oxygen he needed, not killed him in a painless manner'. The ethical treatment is far from serving the wishes of the criminal, but rather serving the state by protecting it from the ravenous members of the family out for money.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: destrekor
the answer to the 'why' that keeps popping up:
because our country is too damned politically correct and has become soft due to all the bullshit legal cases that pop up at the slightest bit of 'ethical mistreatment'.

my way: kill the offender the same damned way they killed the victim. now, of course the death penalty would then only be used when it can be proven beyond any doubt that the offender is guilty. Many murder cases are pretty much that way, however some are a little more difficult. That's when you can use life in prison or something, but the death penalty shouldn't be pain free, but it can still be nice and cheap: maybe a bullet one day, gas the next, knife the next, and maybe finish the week with a chemical.

but I'm all for capital punishment and straight up execution.

As far ways that are both ethical and cheap, I agree there are many other methods possible, but I suspect the current standard is to prevent all ethical treatment cases. Using anesthesia and then CO could be seen as unethical by some greedy scumbag family members 'because it starved him of the oxygen he needed, not killed him in a painless manner'. The ethical treatment is far from serving the wishes of the criminal, but rather serving the state by protecting it from the ravenous members of the family out for money.

when you consider that the death penalty has been proven time and again to not deter violent crime, and that rather large numbers of death row inmates have been exonerated due to newly allowed DNA evidence, I find this sentiment to be rather concerning.

I don't think the guilty should go unpunished, but I think there are major flaws in our law & justice system that need to be corrected before we consider putting another person to death.

...especially when you consider that it is the "moral majority" and the " True Christians" of this country that are the largest supports of capital punishment. I wonder what their Christ would think of this perverted and exploitative interpretation of his teachings?

 

[jeffg007]

One of the faces of death Vids showed the Electric chair and Gas chamber. The Electric chair was real nasty they would flipped the switch and a doctor would walk in and check his heart rate and the dude was not dead. They flipped the switch 6 or 7 times before the doctor said he was dead. At one point they had to flip the switch extra long and blood was running out the guy?s eye and foam was leaking from his mouth. It looked really nasty.

The next vid was for the Gas chamber and it was over in 1 min. The guy tried to hold his breathe for 20secs then it looked like he feel asleep. The doctor walked in a check his heart and said he was dead. Granted I saw only one Gas chamber kill but it looked the least painful/traumatic.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: FoBoT
pretty ludicrous when most of the criminals being put to death have put their victums through things much more cruel/unusual/painful

The state doesn't need to lower itself to the level of criminals

The state should not be killing people in the first place. Imprisonment is more of a punishment anyway- Dead men feel no guilt, pain, or the oppressiveness of being incarcerated. The only reason to support the death penalty is if you believe a hell exists and want to send them there.

I agree with you (but have different reasons for opposing the death penalty).

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: FoBoT
pretty ludicrous when most of the criminals being put to death have put their victums through things much more cruel/unusual/painful

The state doesn't need to lower itself to the level of criminals

The state should not be killing people in the first place. Imprisonment is more of a punishment anyway- Dead men feel no guilt, pain, or the oppressiveness of being incarcerated. The only reason to support the death penalty is if you believe a hell exists and want to send them there.

I agree with you (but have different reasons for opposing the death penalty).

same here....but another problem arises when you realize that we are already spending more per day on an individual prisoner than we are on educating an individual child.

the logical way to turn this injustice around, I would say, is to
1) reduce the number of improperly incarcerated inmates (better jurisprudence, correcting unjust laws...),
2) better education, social standards for inner city and impoverished youths. lets face it-the majority of inmates overwhelmingly represent the uneducated, impoverished classes. give them the option to see a better life when they're young, and you reduce a significant influx of prisoners

our primary education is abysmal compared to that in Europe, and our prison population is what...triple what they have? correlation?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
our primary education is abysmal compared to that in Europe, and our prison population is what...triple what they have? correlation?

Too bad correlation really means nothing.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: zinfamous
our primary education is abysmal compared to that in Europe, and our prison population is what...triple what they have? correlation?

Too bad correlation really means nothing.

...until more numbers bring it around to causation.

no reason to dismiss something as simple correlation. why stop investigating two seemingly related factors when there are already two or three correlated data points?

there would be no point to economics if only 2 related data points were investigated, chalked up to simple correlation, then promptly dismissed.

you'd advocate abandoning all manner of research before it even begins.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
I guess what i'm getting at is that it seems like the issue people have is that the inmate might not be unconscious, but merely paralized after the first step. But why is this even a problem? Why not just use a huge dosage of whatever they are using to render the individual unconscious? It seems like they are trying to calculate it and use "just enough" to get it done...

Well in most states I can see where overdosing them would work, but in Texas we do it assembly line style and every little bit of savings is more that we can use on the next guy.

 

[nboy22]

Originally posted by: jeffg007
One of the faces of death Vids showed the Electric chair and Gas chamber. The Electric chair was real nasty they would flipped the switch and a doctor would walk in and check his heart rate and the dude was not dead. They flipped the switch 6 or 7 times before the doctor said he was dead. At one point they had to flip the switch extra long and blood was running out the guy?s eye and foam was leaking from his mouth. It looked really nasty.

The next vid was for the Gas chamber and it was over in 1 min. The guy tried to hold his breathe for 20secs then it looked like he feel asleep. The doctor walked in a check his heart and said he was dead. Granted I saw only one Gas chamber kill but it looked the least painful/traumatic.

Those videos, for the most part, are actually fake. The director (I believe) was saying they actually use tooth paste for the foam effects on the mouth. Link

 

[ColdFusion718]

Originally posted by: jfall
better question, why do they sterilize the needles

So the convict doesn't get an infection, duh!

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: zinfamous
our primary education is abysmal compared to that in Europe, and our prison population is what...triple what they have? correlation?

Too bad correlation really means nothing.

...until more numbers bring it around to causation.

no reason to dismiss something as simple correlation. why stop investigating two seemingly related factors when there are already two or three correlated data points?

there would be no point to economics if only 2 related data points were investigated, chalked up to simple correlation, then promptly dismissed.

you'd advocate abandoning all manner of research before it even begins.

While poorly stated I do think daniel1113 was implying that your first post was implying that the two events are linked together because of their correlation, when in reality correlation means something, but does not imply causation.

Regardless : Whatever you think of the death penalty it's kinda disturbing to think that there are people who support it and support non cruel and unusual punishment. Beyond the fact that our own law doesn't allow it, I don't see any reason the state should resort to torture (yea a bit ironic stating this considering current events but it is what I think). I certainly wouldn't feel better knowing a criminal is being tortured before he is killed because that's the way he did it and we're following his model.

 

[SunnyD]

Or we could just create another Australia...

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Or we could just create another Australia...

I would like to nominate long island.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718

Originally posted by: jfall
better question, why do they sterilize the needles

So the convict doesn't get an infection, duh!

Yeah some retard got the death penalty in NC suspended because some of the drugs were not FDA approved....

OMG

if the punishment truly fit the crime, how would you punish rapists?

I say we need something like that movie "The Running Man"

 

[darkamulets]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: FoBoT
pretty ludicrous when most of the criminals being put to death have put their victums through things much more cruel/unusual/painful

The state doesn't need to lower itself to the level of criminals

The state should not be killing people in the first place. Imprisonment is more of a punishment anyway- Dead men feel no guilt, pain, or the oppressiveness of being incarcerated. The only reason to support the death penalty is if you believe a hell exists and want to send them there.

Someone committing such horrible crimes to warrant a death sentence probably won't be feeling much remorse. I see the death penalty as cheaper than keeping someone well fed and clothed for 30-50yrs on tax payer's dollar. Although we could have a vote to see those that feel death penalty is wrong and they have to pay all the fees associated to keep inmates alive. While those for death penalties only need to pay enough to buy needles and the stuff that goes in it.

 

[AnyMal]

I have always been a fan of an idea that a criminal should be excecuted in the same manner they killed their victims.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Dirty syringe and a bottle of bleech from the janitors closet is all they really need.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
why don't they just use like uncut heroin or something. One second they are bouncing around in candyland the next they are dead.

heroine = $$$

 

[Xylitol]

Criminals don't deserve humane punishment beyond lethal injection