Maybe its just the picture but yous avatar doesnt look like it has pointy enough ears for that kind of talk ;p
Maybe its just the picture but yous avatar doesnt look like it has pointy enough ears for that kind of talk ;p
Amused
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Originally posted by: Czar
Israel was created by population movement, for about 50 years previous to Israels creation there were heavy jewish relocations. There is no wonder why the Arabs got pissed, how would the US like it if China suddenly created a colony right in New York or some other major place in the US?
And again, I tell you, terrorism can not be removed by force, it can only be removed by removing what creates the thoughtprocess behind terrorism. The idea can never be removed by force.
So human lives are in the same catagory as wasps, how humane
Czar, a human who is trying to kill me gets less consideration than a wasp that is leaving me alone.
As for "Jewish Relocation" would you care to explain why and how the Arab population grew even faster during the same period? Could it be that the Arab countries were trying to out-settle the Jews? Naw... That wouldn't go along with your "big bad Jewish conspeiracy theory," now would it?
Fact: The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II, while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.
They were BOTH trying to get the land by mass migration, Czar.
Czar, again, you cannot solve terrorism with appeasement. If you think you can, try solving your child's temper tantrums by giving them what they want, and see what that gets you.
what I mean is that china formed an indepentant state in New York that would not abide by US laws but their own
Originaly the area was habitaded by Arabs, which then the Jews started to populate the area again as a goal to form an indepentant state. The Arabs in the area obviosly countered it to try to prevent it from happening. Is it surprising to you that the Arabs would object to Jews starting to form on what they considered their land with the goal of forming a Jewish state?Originally posted by: Amused
Czar, a human who is trying to kill me gets less consideration than a wasp that is leaving me alone.
As for "Jewish Relocation" would you care to explain why and how the Arab population grew even faster during the same period? Could it be that the Arab countries were trying to out-settle the Jews? Naw... That wouldn't go along with your "big bad Jewish conspeiracy theory," now would it?
Fact: The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II, while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.
They were BOTH trying to get the land by mass migration, Czar.
Czar, again, you cannot solve terrorism with appeasement. If you think you can, try solving your child's temper tantrums by giving them what they want, and see what that gets you.
But if you just beat the crap out of the child instead of dealing with the problem you get a very disturbed and emotionaly damaged child. It is not a better way than giving the child what it wants. You have to deal with it, solve the problem not by giving in and not by beating the crap out of the child.
Amused
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originaly the area was habitaded by Arabs, which then the Jews started to populate the area again as a goal to form an indepentant state. The Arabs in the area obviosly countered it to try to prevent it from happening. Is it surprising to you that the Arabs would object to Jews starting to form on what they considered their land with the goal of forming a Jewish state?Originally posted by: Amused
Czar, a human who is trying to kill me gets less consideration than a wasp that is leaving me alone.
As for "Jewish Relocation" would you care to explain why and how the Arab population grew even faster during the same period? Could it be that the Arab countries were trying to out-settle the Jews? Naw... That wouldn't go along with your "big bad Jewish conspeiracy theory," now would it?
Fact: The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II, while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.
They were BOTH trying to get the land by mass migration, Czar.
Czar, again, you cannot solve terrorism with appeasement. If you think you can, try solving your child's temper tantrums by giving them what they want, and see what that gets you.
But if you just beat the crap out of the child instead of dealing with the problem you get a very disturbed and emotionaly damaged child. It is not a better way than giving the child what it wants. You have to deal with it, solve the problem not by giving in and not by beating the crap out of the child.
Czar, there were both Arabs and Jews there to begin with. It was NOBODY'S country, save for private settlements and distant landlords. The Jews simply organized first, and best, and got a government together with UN backing. To be "fair" the UN set aside more than equal land for the Arabs who did not want to live among Jews. But instead of forming a government and building a country, they choose to immediately attack the Jews and be puppets of the surrounding Arab nations.
They made their bed, and lost. They cannot be appeased because of their aggression and acts of terrorism.
And you beat your kids if they come at you trying to kill you, Czar.
lozina
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Amused, you talk like Israel is the most innocent country in the World and has had no responsiblity to the violence in the region. That is the most illogical misconception you are trying to push though. Are you really trying to say the Palestinians just woke up one day and randomly decided to hate the Israelis ? No this kind of hatred must have legitimate sources- just what it is we may never publically find out because of all the lies and propaganda by both parties involved have long obscured the truth. It is true that before the 1940's in the land called Palestine, Jews and Arabs were living side by side in harmony. What happened? Merely colonizing the area wouldn't be enough for the Arabs to hate Israel so much, but perhaps it is the vision of Israel itself which is the problem. Note that Israel out-right claims to be the "land for the Jews". Note this does not include "Arabs". Were the Israels going to just colonize the area and hope the Arabs living in their envisioned 'Israel' to jsut move away on their own will? Perhaps violence or more deceptive means were used to try to persuade these Arabs to move away? Afterall, you can't have a nation for the Jews if a larger percentage of it's voting citizens were Arabs. This is all just logical analysis.
Also, be aware Israel has had around 65 UN resolutions against it. Look them up on the UN site or do a google search. Far more than the evil regime of Iraq. But then again, maybe it's just that the entire world is 'out to get the Jews'
Also, be aware Israel has had around 65 UN resolutions against it. Look them up on the UN site or do a google search. Far more than the evil regime of Iraq. But then again, maybe it's just that the entire world is 'out to get the Jews'
lozina
Do a google search on "Jaffa riots 1920" and "Jerusalem riots 1920" and also for the "Grand Mufti Jerusalem"
Logical analysis without any facts fits under the GIGO theory.
Do a google search on "Jaffa riots 1920" and "Jerusalem riots 1920" and also for the "Grand Mufti Jerusalem"
Logical analysis without any facts fits under the GIGO theory.
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Really? So the 1929 Hebron riots in which 67 students were murdered by arab gangs never happened?
Why dont the Palestinians hate Jordan then? Jordan (King Hussein) was the one that ousted them in the 1st place. They are treated worse in Jordan then by the Jews.
If jesus was a jew, and he was born in Bethlehem, it seems the Jews were in the area WAAAY before he was even born. EVEN before there was a Muslim religion.
If jesus was a jew, and he was born in Bethlehem, it seems the Jews were in the area WAAAY before he was even born. EVEN before there was a Muslim religion.
there have always been Jews and Gentiles living in the area. The Gentiles at one point converted to either Christianity or Islam. The Jews had a 'state', if you will, at one point in the ancient history, but not for very long. Mostly the entire area was under imperial rule for a very long time: Romans, Turks, British....
Originally posted by: Amused
Czar, a human who is trying to kill me gets less consideration than a wasp that is leaving me alone.
As for "Jewish Relocation" would you care to explain why and how the Arab population grew even faster during the same period? Could it be that the Arab countries were trying to out-settle the Jews? Naw... That wouldn't go along with your "big bad Jewish conspeiracy theory," now would it?
Fact: The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II, while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.
They were BOTH trying to get the land by mass migration, Czar.
Czar, again, you cannot solve terrorism with appeasement. If you think you can, try solving your child's temper tantrums by giving them what they want, and see what that gets you.
1919:
Jews in Palestine: 55,000
Arabs in Palestine: over 1,000,000
Make sense now?
Amused
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Originally posted by: lozina
Amused, you talk like Israel is the most innocent country in the World and has had no responsiblity to the violence in the region. That is the most illogical misconception you are trying to push though. Are you really trying to say the Palestinians just woke up one day and randomly decided to hate the Israelis ? No this kind of hatred must have legitimate sources- just what it is we may never publically find out because of all the lies and propaganda by both parties involved have long obscured the truth. It is true that before the 1940's in the land called Palestine, Jews and Arabs were living side by side in harmony. What happened? Merely colonizing the area wouldn't be enough for the Arabs to hate Israel so much, but perhaps it is the vision of Israel itself which is the problem. Note that Israel out-right claims to be the "land for the Jews". Note this does not include "Arabs". Were the Israels going to just colonize the area and hope the Arabs living in their envisioned 'Israel' to jsut move away on their own will? Perhaps violence or more deceptive means were used to try to persuade these Arabs to move away? Afterall, you can't have a nation for the Jews if a larger percentage of it's voting citizens were Arabs. This is all just logical analysis.
Also, be aware Israel has had around 65 UN resolutions against it. Look them up on the UN site or do a google search. Far more than the evil regime of Iraq. But then again, maybe it's just that the entire world is 'out to get the Jews'
Oh BS. Arab hate of the Jews (and any other religion for that matter) goes back thousands of years. The treatment of Jews as second class citizens, and even animals in various Arab countries for hundreds of years is well documented. In fact, when the migration to Israel started, nearly all of the Jews living in fear and misery in Arab nations fled to what is today, Israel.
Arab hate of Jews is not new and it is not because of the formation of Israel. The hate stems from the very same kind of hate that has fueled recent attacks against the US and this very attack in Nigeria. They cannot and will not stand for infidels in or near their holy lands.
Yeah but when that exact same situation happened in Kosovo what happened then? If you apply the same foreign policy there, Israel should be recieving NATO bombs right now.
well, in a history that goes back at least 4000 years, I'd say that's not very long.
although truthfully I didn't realize that it was that long :Q
edit: scratch the Egyptians as imperial powers thing. my history isn't that good. But what about the time when the Jews were in Egypt? They weren't in Israel/Palestine then..... other people were.
The Jews continuously inhabited ancient Palestine from about 1500 BC through to the destruction of the second temple in 70 CE, with a 48 year exile after the destruction of the first temple in 586 BCE. There was always a small population of Jews in the four holy cities until Jews started returning en masse at the end of the 19th century.
Amused
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Originally posted by: Alphazero
Originally posted by: Amused
Czar, a human who is trying to kill me gets less consideration than a wasp that is leaving me alone.
As for "Jewish Relocation" would you care to explain why and how the Arab population grew even faster during the same period? Could it be that the Arab countries were trying to out-settle the Jews? Naw... That wouldn't go along with your "big bad Jewish conspeiracy theory," now would it?
Fact: The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II, while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.
They were BOTH trying to get the land by mass migration, Czar.
Czar, again, you cannot solve terrorism with appeasement. If you think you can, try solving your child's temper tantrums by giving them what they want, and see what that gets you.
1919:
Jews in Palestine: 55,000
Arabs in Palestine: over 1,000,000
Make sense now?
Um, nope.
In 1915, approximately 83,000 Jews lived in Palestine among 590,000 Muslim and Christian Arabs according to a British census. Referenced from this book
Are you trying to tell me that half a million Arabs moved into the area, and back out again, then back again before 1947? Sorry, I ain't buying it.
Originally posted by: Alphazero
Originally posted by: Amused
Czar, a human who is trying to kill me gets less consideration than a wasp that is leaving me alone.
As for "Jewish Relocation" would you care to explain why and how the Arab population grew even faster during the same period? Could it be that the Arab countries were trying to out-settle the Jews? Naw... That wouldn't go along with your "big bad Jewish conspeiracy theory," now would it?
Fact: The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II, while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.
They were BOTH trying to get the land by mass migration, Czar.
Czar, again, you cannot solve terrorism with appeasement. If you think you can, try solving your child's temper tantrums by giving them what they want, and see what that gets you.
1919:
Jews in Palestine: 55,000
Arabs in Palestine: over 1,000,000
Make sense now?
Actually, take a look at this chart. It's interesting how between the years 1922 and 1942 the Jewish population more that quadrupled while the Arabian population almost doubled. Also, take a look at the immigration chart. Between 1930 and 1939, almost 12 times more Jews immigrated into Palestine than Arabs. I would like to see Amused reasoning for this.
Amused
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Originally posted by: OulOat
Originally posted by: Alphazero
Originally posted by: Amused
Czar, a human who is trying to kill me gets less consideration than a wasp that is leaving me alone.
As for "Jewish Relocation" would you care to explain why and how the Arab population grew even faster during the same period? Could it be that the Arab countries were trying to out-settle the Jews? Naw... That wouldn't go along with your "big bad Jewish conspeiracy theory," now would it?
Fact: The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II, while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.
They were BOTH trying to get the land by mass migration, Czar.
Czar, again, you cannot solve terrorism with appeasement. If you think you can, try solving your child's temper tantrums by giving them what they want, and see what that gets you.
1919:
Jews in Palestine: 55,000
Arabs in Palestine: over 1,000,000
Make sense now?
Actually, take a look at this chart. It's interesting how between the years 1922 and 1942 the Jewish population more that quadrupled while the Arabian population almost doubled. I would like to see Amused reasoning for this.
Jews migrated to the Isreal for safety and to live in a land with folks common to them. With the history of treatment of the Jews in the rest of the Middle East and Europe, can you blame them? Would you, as a Jew, not have moved to be safe with people like you during that period?
The fact of the matter is, the Jewish population grew by 400,000 while the Arab population grew by more than the same.
Originally posted by: OulOat
Originally posted by: Alphazero
Originally posted by: Amused
Czar, a human who is trying to kill me gets less consideration than a wasp that is leaving me alone.
As for "Jewish Relocation" would you care to explain why and how the Arab population grew even faster during the same period? Could it be that the Arab countries were trying to out-settle the Jews? Naw... That wouldn't go along with your "big bad Jewish conspeiracy theory," now would it?
Fact: The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II, while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.
They were BOTH trying to get the land by mass migration, Czar.
Czar, again, you cannot solve terrorism with appeasement. If you think you can, try solving your child's temper tantrums by giving them what they want, and see what that gets you.
1919:
Jews in Palestine: 55,000
Arabs in Palestine: over 1,000,000
Make sense now?
Actually, take a look at this chart. It's interesting how between the years 1922 and 1942 the Jewish population more that quadrupled while the Arabian population almost doubled. Also, take a look at the immigration chart. Between 1930 and 1939, almost 12 times more Jews immigrated into Palestine than Arabs. I would like to see Amused reasoning for this.
It could be they were running away from hitler in europe. THat is just a guess though.
lozina
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Using your reason: "With the history of treatment of the Jews ... moved to be safe"
and your previous quote:
"Arab hate of Jews is not new and it is not because of the formation of Israel. The hate stems from the very same kind of hate that has fueled recent attacks against the US and this very attack in Nigeria. They cannot and will not stand for infidels in or near their holy lands."
is very contradictory. first you say the Jews have always been hated in that region, then you say their explosion in immigration to the region is to be 'safe'.
Makes no sesne to me.
Despite the dispute around the exact causes of those riots, I'll give that to you. I made a mistake in hastily saying 1940's. I should have said before 1917 when Lord Balfour made his infamous declaration.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: OulOat
Originally posted by: Alphazero
Originally posted by: Amused
Czar, a human who is trying to kill me gets less consideration than a wasp that is leaving me alone.
As for "Jewish Relocation" would you care to explain why and how the Arab population grew even faster during the same period? Could it be that the Arab countries were trying to out-settle the Jews? Naw... That wouldn't go along with your "big bad Jewish conspeiracy theory," now would it?
Fact: The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II, while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.
They were BOTH trying to get the land by mass migration, Czar.
Czar, again, you cannot solve terrorism with appeasement. If you think you can, try solving your child's temper tantrums by giving them what they want, and see what that gets you.
1919:
Jews in Palestine: 55,000
Arabs in Palestine: over 1,000,000
Make sense now?
Actually, take a look at this chart. It's interesting how between the years 1922 and 1942 the Jewish population more that quadrupled while the Arabian population almost doubled. I would like to see Amused reasoning for this.
Jews migrated to the Isreal for safety and to live in a land with folks common to them. With the history of treatment of the Jews in the rest of the Middle East and Europe, can you blame them? Would you, as a Jew, not have moved to be safe with people like you during that period?
The fact of the matter is, the Jewish population grew by 400,000 while the Arab population grew by nearly the same.
And the Arab population was a lot more to begin with. It's quite disturbing when a population 1/7 of the size of the Arabs (1922) grow by the same amount as the Arabs. It's like comparing the U.S. to China or India ASSUMING they are on the same continent. If the population of China or India doubles over 20 years, damn they have sex a lot, but it's okay, people have children. If the population of the U.S. was to increase by 1 billion, holly sh@t. That would mean every American family would have on average 7 kids. Hmmm, I wonder who is trying to outsettle who.
I understand that you are heavily biased against Arabs, anyone can tell from your posts. I know I can't change your opinions, and I'm not gonna try. But I just wanted to prove that your original theory that "Arab countries were trying to out-settle the Jews" is ... wrong.
Amused
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Because that region was the only region in the ME that was safe for them. First, there is safety in numbers, secondly, the British (who were the governing body at the time) were there and helped to maintain order and protect their rights. There is no contradiction whatsoever if you know the history.
Amused
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Originally posted by: OulOat
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: OulOat
Originally posted by: Alphazero
Originally posted by: Amused
Czar, a human who is trying to kill me gets less consideration than a wasp that is leaving me alone.
As for "Jewish Relocation" would you care to explain why and how the Arab population grew even faster during the same period? Could it be that the Arab countries were trying to out-settle the Jews? Naw... That wouldn't go along with your "big bad Jewish conspeiracy theory," now would it?
Fact: The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II, while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.
They were BOTH trying to get the land by mass migration, Czar.
Czar, again, you cannot solve terrorism with appeasement. If you think you can, try solving your child's temper tantrums by giving them what they want, and see what that gets you.
1919:
Jews in Palestine: 55,000
Arabs in Palestine: over 1,000,000
Make sense now?
Actually, take a look at this chart. It's interesting how between the years 1922 and 1942 the Jewish population more that quadrupled while the Arabian population almost doubled. I would like to see Amused reasoning for this.
Jews migrated to the Isreal for safety and to live in a land with folks common to them. With the history of treatment of the Jews in the rest of the Middle East and Europe, can you blame them? Would you, as a Jew, not have moved to be safe with people like you during that period?
The fact of the matter is, the Jewish population grew by 400,000 while the Arab population grew by nearly the same.
And the Arab population was a lot more to begin with. It's quite disturbing when a population 1/7 of the size of the Arabs (1922) grow by the same amount as the Arabs. It's like comparing the U.S. to China or India ASSUMING they are on the same continent. If the population of China or India doubles over 20 years, damn they have sex a lot, but it's okay, people have children. If the population of the U.S. was to increase by 1 billion, holly sh@t. That would mean every American family would have on average 7 kids. Hmmm, I wonder who is trying to outsettle who.
I understand that you are heavily biased against Arabs, anyone can tell from your posts. I know I can't change your opinions, and I'm not gonna try. But I just wanted to prove that your original theory that "Arab countries were trying to out-settle the Jews" is ... wrong.
You've proven nothing, including the phatom "bias." I have been, and continue to remain objective on the matter. I am neither Arab, Muslim, or Jew.
At one time, I used to fall for the propaganda put out by the Arabs calling themselves Palestnian. That was until I studied the history of the region for myself. No objective person can come to any other conclusion than that the Arabs have been the intolerant aggressors in this.
No, the Israelis have not been perfect. Nobody is. However, if you weigh all of it together, the Arabs clearly come out far, FAR dirtier in this.
Back to population growth. Nearly half a million Jews, and a slightly larger number of Arabs moved to the region at the same time. The starting number is irrelevant. The fact that both made a nearly equal effort to populate the land IS relevant.
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