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Why still no GDDR5 Geforce GT 640?

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ShintaiDK

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Ok, you're saying the GT640 uses GDDR3 instead of GDDR5 so it can fit into a 75W TDP but then you show us a graph in which GDDR5 uses a lot less power than GDDR3.

Your mistake is you wrongly mix GDDR3 and DDR3. Two completely different things.
 

animekenji

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TDP of the GT640 is 65W. Adding GDDR5 would most likely make it require an extra power connector. Hence the reason why.

However why AIBs didnt do it yet, good question.

Plus we still miss the GK106 in between.

The OEM version of the GT640 GDDR5 does not have an external power connector. I think, though, that the reason why nVidia has not allowed their board partners to release their own GDDR5 versions yet is because Dell wants to keep it exclusive for a while.

One thing does puzzle me about this card, though. The specs show that it uses a 128-bit memory controller but I thought GDDR5 was 256-bit by default.
 

Fx1

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Who really cares about a 640 GT. its just a bum end GPU.

If you got a budget then just look at the benchmarks and buy the best card for your money.

debating over memory on a card like this is a waste of time and effort.
 

animekenji

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Who really cares about a 640 GT. its just a bum end GPU.

If you got a budget then just look at the benchmarks and buy the best card for your money.

debating over memory on a card like this is a waste of time and effort.

It makes a big difference when power consumption, heat and noise are all issues. The GDDR5 version is right now the most powerful card you can buy without an external power connector. It competes well against the HD7750 which requires external power and it's because of the type of memory used that this card is so fast. The DDR3 GT640 doesn't even come close.

Another point, if you are just looking for a PhysX card without also investing in a power supply upgrade, then this is the card you want.
 

SPBHM

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It makes a big difference when power consumption, heat and noise are all issues. The GDDR5 version is right now the most powerful card you can buy without an external power connector. It competes well against the HD7750 which requires external power and it's because of the type of memory used that this card is so fast. The DDR3 GT640 doesn't even come close.

Another point, if you are just looking for a PhysX card without also investing in a power supply upgrade, then this is the card you want.

the older 800Mhz 7750 does not require the connector, the 900Mhz version does.

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Fx1

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It makes a big difference when power consumption, heat and noise are all issues. The GDDR5 version is right now the most powerful card you can buy without an external power connector. It competes well against the HD7750 which requires external power and it's because of the type of memory used that this card is so fast. The DDR3 GT640 doesn't even come close.

Another point, if you are just looking for a PhysX card without also investing in a power supply upgrade, then this is the card you want.

Physics is pointless since only about 2 games support it.

If you are concerned about power heat and noise then you certainly wont be concerned with performance either.

Its like arguing over which is the better horse when they both finished joint last.
 
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It makes a big difference when power consumption, heat and noise are all issues. The GDDR5 version is right now the most powerful card you can buy without an external power connector. It competes well against the HD7750 which requires external power and it's because of the type of memory used that this card is so fast. The DDR3 GT640 doesn't even come close.

Another point, if you are just looking for a PhysX card without also investing in a power supply upgrade, then this is the card you want.

The HD7750 does not require an external power connector. The HD7770 does require an external power connector, but only uses 80 watts total. I believe the HD7750 would be as fast or faster than a GDDR5 GT640. The only advantage I see to the GT640 OEM is that it is single slot, according to the nVidia web site.
 
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the older 800Mhz 7750 does not require the connector, the 900Mhz version does.

PCB50B.jpg

Yea, I forgot about that. Is the 900mhz version very common? Most people just say the 7750 does not require external power, so they obviously are talking about the slower version. Doesnt it seem strange though that 100 mhz overclock would require that much extra power?
Isnt the regular version rated for only 55w?
 

Red Hawk

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One thing does puzzle me about this card, though. The specs show that it uses a 128-bit memory controller but I thought GDDR5 was 256-bit by default.

No, memory type and memory controllers are separate. GDDR5 memory can use 128 bit, 256 bit, 384 bit, even 64 bit memory controllers.

So if I'm reading this correctly, the GTX 650 is basically Dell's exclusive GT640 GDDR5 with a new name.

I don't know about Dell's exclusive 640, but if the Dell 640 does not use a PCI-E power connector, then no. The GTX 650 uses a power connector.

Yea, I forgot about that. Is the 900mhz version very common? Most people just say the 7750 does not require external power, so they obviously are talking about the slower version. Doesnt it seem strange though that 100 mhz overclock would require that much extra power?
Isnt the regular version rated for only 55w?

The 900 MHz version is fairly available -- it's just impossible to tell unless you specifically look at the clock speed. In a logical worled, the 900 MHz 7750 would be called the 7755, or the 7760. But no, much like the 7950 with boost, AMD made the 900 MHz 7750 the same SKU as the original. And in this case, they didn't even remove the original from the market, since the original still carries the "advantage" of not requiring a power connector.

The way I heard it, 800 MHz was simply as high as AMD could reliably clock it without the power connector. The chip usually could go faster (heck, the full 7770 is made to hit 1 GHz), the lack of power was just holding it back.
 

animekenji

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Well, I know the Dell exclusive does not have a power connector because I have one in front of me. They must have bumped up the clocks the same as AMD did with the HD7750 to create the GTX650 and increased the power draw when they did but a used Dell GT640 GDDR5 would still be an excellent value, IF you can even find one. They don't come up for sale used very often and Dell will only sell them as part of a system purchase. I guess they are primarily installed in PC's of people who just use the computer as is and don't think much of upgrading or there would be more of them available for sale. The ready availability of GTX650 is going to divert some attention away from the Dell card so they may become a hard item to sell in the future.
 
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