Atreus21
Lifer
- Aug 21, 2007
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If its a waste of time and energy your doing it wrong.
As a father I get plenty in return, I have a closet full of shitty ties to prove it![]()
If its a waste of time and energy your doing it wrong.
As a father I get plenty in return, I have a closet full of shitty ties to prove it![]()
Historically, population hasn't grown as quickly as it has during the past century. It took from 1800 until about 1925 for the population to go from 1 billion to 2 billion. We hit 7 billion people in Oct 2011, and are expected to reach 8 billion by 2025. Or, if you'd rather make an argument of growth rate, it took 125 years to double from 1 billion to 2 billion. It only took about another 45 years to double again. And to double from 3 billion to 6 billion took less than 40 years. (Though at that rate, it's about another 40 years to double from 4 billion to 8 billion; it seems the growth rate as a percentage has stabilized.) We keep managing to figure out better ways to produce food; farm technology & transportation in the earlier 1900 absolutely couldn't have supported today's current population. Sooner or later, I think we'll reach a maximum carrying capacity. When? I couldn't even begin to guess. In fact, perhaps we've already exceeded it - remember, a lot of crops depend on fertilizers that we gain from resources that we are depleting. Those resources are finite.I thought about putting this in off topic, but since the discussion will revolve around the current political situation, I decided to put it here.
If we go back 100, 200, 500, 1000 years we had rampant disease, periodic starvation, wars,,, and people still reproduced.
Today, we live in an oppressive society that is overly regulated.
The US is deep in debt, and has no solution in sight.
Seems every nation and their brother and sister has nuclear weapons.
Cost of living has outpaces wages.
With all of this and more, why would anyone want to bring a child into the world?
Even basic stuff, such as home ownership is a fading dream for most people.
College education cost a fortune.
There was once a time when a person could finish high school, then go to work in a shipyard, steel mill, car factory,, and earn a good living. But those days are far behind us.
Why would I want to bring a child into the world, only to watch that child struggle with college, struggle to buy a home, struggle to find a job,,,.
As humanity progresses, shouldn't things get easier? Shouldn't getting an education get cheaper and easier? Shouldn't owning a home get cheaper and easier? Its as if humanity reached a pinnacle in the 1970s, and it was downhill from there.
Wages have stagnated since the 1990s, while cost of living has skyrocketed, especially the cost of home ownership.
Parents have been worried about their Children's future since we lived in Caves."I am not trying to be negative, I am trying to be honest.
I have 4 children with my first wife, they range in age from 25 - 16. "
Theres the real world experience I was looking for. . .
So as a parent of 11 and 9, I also have the same fears and knowing what I know now as a believer in peak oil, I also question if I had to do it over again.
In 2000 you still felt their lives would/should be even better than your life, now? I agree I'm not so sure anymore, not necesarily same reasons.
However did people say in the 50's have such a terrible life? All a person truely needs is food clothing and shelter. We have lots of people here who work in Ethiopia and they come back and say they are happy, probably happier than the typical rat raced American if they have the 3 basics. So, that does give me hope for the future, a lot of what we think makes us happy is consumerism, humans for eons have found happiness with a comfy bed, full belly and sense of purpose
I'm never going to have children. I agree that everything is getting worse. This is the last generation of prosperity.I thought about putting this in off topic, but since the discussion will revolve around the current political situation, I decided to put it here.
If we go back 100, 200, 500, 1000 years we had rampant disease, periodic starvation, wars,,, and people still reproduced.
Today, we live in an oppressive society that is overly regulated.
The US is deep in debt, and has no solution in sight.
Seems every nation and their brother and sister has nuclear weapons.
Cost of living has outpaces wages.
With all of this and more, why would anyone want to bring a child into the world?
Even basic stuff, such as home ownership is a fading dream for most people.
College education cost a fortune.
There was once a time when a person could finish high school, then go to work in a shipyard, steel mill, car factory,, and earn a good living. But those days are far behind us.
Why would I want to bring a child into the world, only to watch that child struggle with college, struggle to buy a home, struggle to find a job,,,.
As humanity progresses, shouldn't things get easier? Shouldn't getting an education get cheaper and easier? Shouldn't owning a home get cheaper and easier? Its as if humanity reached a pinnacle in the 1970s, and it was downhill from there.
Wages have stagnated since the 1990s, while cost of living has skyrocketed, especially the cost of home ownership.
My guess is thirty years from now when you're on your death bed you will be quite content that you had your kids and we'll all still be here, still alive and thriving as a world and spending most of our time as we do today bickering about stupid sh*t like tv and playing with our new gadgets because it didn't all go to hell.I am not trying to be negative, I am trying to be honest.
I have 4 children with my first wife, they range in age from 25 - 16.
This is one of the saddest aspects of higher education. It seems like the inherent and implicit purpose of public colleges and universities is to serve the best interests of the public. However, many of them have essentially become "for-profit non-profits" that serve the interests of administrators and faculty. Whether or not the education they offer has value and makes our nation and its economy a better place is of no concern to them.College financing has become a scam. Legislatures have abandoned the public universities to the loan sharks. The universities have abandoned their missions to seek enrichment for their administrators and faculty at the expense of the students.
The wealthy have succeeded in using the nation's economic success to fool the sheeple into believing that they themselves are wealthy and part of an "ownership society". They have done a masterful job and now the majority of the populace seems to believe that the government should not tax and regulate the financial affairs of the rich. The result has been an endless parade of Joe the Retarded Plumber types.The rich stole the American dream and the workers helped them do it. Vote your interests, not your fears, and certainly not your hatreds.
Perhaps population explosion isn't an issue in most first-world countries, but it is for the United States. We currently have the world's third highest population and are projected to approach 450 million by 2050. Our mass immigration policies are a larger driver of our population explosion.Its really not a question to ask Americans or other Westerners: Population growth in the West is negative, people are having to few kids in the west as it is. The places that should answer that question is the 3rd world where 9 kids is as standard as having 1 or 2 kids are here. And those are the places that are propping up our declining population with immigration, if we really want the population to stabalize and for the environment to last...Then ask the 3rd world why its ok to have 7-10 kids per family when the world is already overpopulated.
I don't think that humanity will ever attain a Star Trek-like utopia. We just do not have the necessary IQ nor the temperament for it. Look at the savage masses in the Muslim world. Can a species where a religion like that can become prominent given current technology ever advance far beyond where we already are? We also have masses of people with low IQs here in the U.S. Heck, the world's supposedly "greatest nation" cannot even figure out how to provide health care for its people when numerous other nations have already provided concrete examples.It depends if think humanity has a future that is bright or dim. If you believe that some day we will have a Star Trek like utopia then it is the current generations job to suffer through and pop out children who may some day make the technology to get there a reality. If you believe that our future is apocalyptic then you should not have children.
The growth in the US is almost entirely from immigration - its artificial growth. Before the 1965 immigration act which allowed mass immigration to begin again [our doors were more or less shut since 1924 to 1965], most estimates pegged the US population @ 250 million by 2050. Of course we are wayyyy past that now, but again we have had mass immigration since 1965 to thank for it. The same goes for the UK and France, both countries have naturally declining populations but they both are seeing gains from immigration.Perhaps population explosion isn't an issue in most first-world countries, but it is for the United States. We currently have the world's third highest population and are projected to approach 450 million by 2050. Our mass immigration policies are a larger driver of our population explosion.
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No idea what you're rambling about. There's never been a better time in human history to be born into the world.I don't think that humanity will ever attain a Star Trek-like utopia. We just do not have the necessary IQ nor the temperament for it. Look at the savage masses in the Muslim world. Can a species where a religion like that can become prominent given current technology ever advance far beyond where we already are? We also have masses of people with low IQs here in the U.S. Heck, the world's supposedly "greatest nation" cannot even figure out how to provide health care for its people when numerous other nations have already provided concrete examples.
The United States is a Nation of Morons in a world full of morons.
I predict that humanity will eventually blow itself back to the stone ages where it belongs as a result of some sort of religious warfare and/or major global Malthusian crisis. A sentient species cannot maintain wealth and prosperity without it's necessary prerequisite--reason.
Do we fit on the planet?
Today humanity uses the equivalent of 1.5 planets to provide the resources we use and absorb our waste. This means it now takes the Earth one year and six months to regenerate what we use in a year.
Moderate UN scenarios suggest that if current population and consumption trends continue, by the 2030s, we will need the equivalent of two Earths to support us. And of course, we only have one.
Ants have a much larger footprint on the planet in terms of biomass. No one is complaining about all the resources ants use though.point stands. 7 Billion people is a craptard lot of people. Is there or has there ever been any animal in the world our size/mass that achieved 7 billion? And its growing, the planet only has so much land space while still maintaining plants and animals needed for our own survival. How many could it successfully sustain, keep fed and jobs for future growth once we start to hit over 10 billion? Technology could answer that with a yes, but that would be a faith. I suspect something would have to give, there has to be a balance.
What is also insane is if you consider averaging each humans footprint in waste and consumption, times 7 billion. it blows my mind how our planet manages it. Earth is big sure, but most of the easy habital places are quite filled with people.
http://www.footprintnetwork.org/pt/index.php/GFN/page/world_footprint/