Why should Gov Workers not feel pain too?

[IronWing]

Private security would be much more efficient, cheaper due to competition and faster.

Learn some history dumbass. We tried private security. The results were so poor and the costs so high we dumped it in favor of TSA.

 

[Incorruptible]

Learn some history dumbass. We tried private security. The results were so poor and the costs so high we dumped it in favor of TSA.

You first dumbass. You have already proven yourself wrong by resorting to personal attacks.

Private security is far more efficient than the government. You dont remember it was the brilliant government that decided to allow the blades to be carried which were eventually used by the hijackers

The TSA is horribly inefficient and allowed many terrorists to go through apparently you dont remember the underwear bomber who was stopped by the passengers

 

[OrByte]

You first dumbass. You have already proven yourself wrong by resorting to personal attacks.

Private security is far more efficient than the government. You dont remember it was the brilliant government that decided to allow the blades to be carried which were eventually used by the hijackers

The TSA is horribly inefficient and allowed many terrorists to go through apparently you dont remember the underwear bomber who was stopped by the passengers

9/11 truther?

Its all a government conspiracy?

anywho. to answer the OP;

uhhhhhhh nope you are wrong.

 

[cybrsage]

You first dumbass. You have already proven yourself wrong by resorting to personal attacks.

Using your own logic, so have you. You are now BOTH wrong.


I do agree with your private vs government portion.

 

[Matt1970]

Learn some history dumbass. We tried private security. The results were so poor and the costs so high we dumped it in favor of TSA.

Before you go calling people dumbass, get your facts straight.

TSA Annual budget, $8.1 billion (2012).
U.S. airlines spent $448 million on security in 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Administration
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903596904576516332299459122.html

 

[Incorruptible]

Before you go calling people dumbass, get your facts straight.

TSA Annual budget, $8.1 billion (2012).
U.S. airlines spent $448 million on security in 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Administration
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903596904576516332299459122.html

So thats the second time he has proved himself a dumbass

 

[ivwshane]

Before you go calling people dumbass, get your facts straight.

TSA Annual budget, $8.1 billion (2012).
U.S. airlines spent $448 million on security in 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Administration
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903596904576516332299459122.html

I don't subscribe to the wsj so I can't read your link. Does your link also show the costs of security for all the other airlines? Half a billion dollars for one airline that doesn't serve all airports doesn't seem any cheaper than the TSA that serves all airlines in all airports.

 

[Matt1970]

I don't subscribe to the wsj so I can't read your link. Does your link also show the costs of security for all the other airlines? Half a billion dollars for one airline that doesn't serve all airports doesn't seem any cheaper than the TSA that serves all airlines in all airports.

I don't subscribe to the WSJ either. Half a billion dollars for one airline? That's all US airlines. That would be one hell of a lot of security for just one airline.

 

[ivwshane]

I don't subscribe to the WSJ either. Half a billion dollars for one airline? That's all US airlines. That would be one hell of a lot of security for just one airline.

Lol, I was thinking U.S. airlines was a single company (U.S. airways).

Comparing 2000 security standards to the post 9/11 standards is probably not fair though.

I'm no fan of TSA or DHS so it wouldn't surprise me if they cost more if all things were equal.

 

[soundforbjt]

Before you go calling people dumbass, get your facts straight.

TSA Annual budget, $8.1 billion (2012).
U.S. airlines spent $448 million on security in 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Administration
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903596904576516332299459122.html

And what happened using the bargin private airport security...9/11...

 

[monovillage]

And what happened using the bargin private airport security...9/11...

That's just horseshit. Security at the time wasn't looking for box cutters and suicide flyers. Look at all the bombs and other items that get still get smuggled onto airplanes even with our present $8.1 Billion dollar "security forces".
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/new...port-security-breach-fake-pants-bomb-18682218

 

[Matt1970]

And what happened using the bargin private airport security...9/11...

Same thing with the Underware Bomber and Shoe Bomber with the TSA. They got past security. The difference is passengers stopped them.

 

[Matt1970]

Lol, I was thinking U.S. airlines was a single company (U.S. airways).

Comparing 2000 security standards to the post 9/11 standards is probably not fair though.

I'm no fan of TSA or DHS so it wouldn't surprise me if they cost more if all things were equal.

I agree, but we are now spending 20 times as much as we did.

 

[Nintendesert]

That's just horseshit. Security at the time wasn't looking for box cutters and suicide flyers. Look at all the bombs and other items that get still get smuggled onto airplanes even with our present $8.1 Billion dollar "security forces".
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/new...port-security-breach-fake-pants-bomb-18682218

So the world is a different place, what kind of logic then makes a direct cost vs. cost comparison?

 

[*kjm]

Military got a 1% pay raise in 2013, will get a 1% pay raise in 2014. Doesn't seem right now does it? Tuition assistance just got yanked as well.

Yep Con & Sen should be bent over before they take a hit :thumbsup:

 

[monovillage]

So the world is a different place, what kind of logic then makes a direct cost vs. cost comparison?

Bullshit if it's a different place. Even the huge and expensive and costly in terms of civil liberties, authoritarian security we now have fails on a regular basis.

 

[monovillage]

To get back to the OP, there's no reason that out masters and overlords the government workers shouldn't have to deal with the same negatives that those of us in the private sector have to deal with. The only ones that defend them here are the ones getting a nice , fat taxpayer paycheck and are horrified that their gravy train may be reaching the end of the line.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And what happened using the bargin private airport security...9/11...

On 9/10 the majority of people believed what happened on 9/11 was impossible. No private or governmental security needed to prevent an unknown attack in advance would have sold.

 

[her209]

AVIATION FEES Review of Air Carriers’ Year 2000 Passenger and Property Screening Costs
http://www.gao.gov/assets/250/246049.pdf

What GAO Found
We estimate at a 95 percent confidence level that the amount of passenger
and property screening costs incurred by air carriers in 2000 for the 3 major
cost components were between $425 million and $471 million, with a
midpoint estimate of $448 million.

Determining exact cost amounts was not feasible and assumptions were
required for several reasons including the following: (1) 5 years have passed
since the costs were incurred, (2) the air carriers’ accounting systems were
not designed to capture specific passenger and property screening costs, and
(3) certain cost categories required the application of assumptions to
identify, categorize, or allocate cost. We focused on estimating for 2000 the
three primary screening cost components listed below.
• Costs associated with the use of private screening contractors (or airline
employees if they performed the screening function directly)—these
were the most significant costs to the air carriers in 2000. Air carriers
typically contracted with private screening companies to perform
screening on their behalf, and the rates charged combined costs such as
background checks, training, and uniforms. We estimated that air
carriers incurred $334 million for this cost component, compared to
$293 million reported by air carriers on the Appendix A.
• Airport costs related to passenger and property screening—the two
major screening-related cost categories that airports charged air carriers,
were costs for law enforcement officers and real estate costs for security
checkpoints. Based on information obtained from a sample of airports,
we estimated that air carriers incurred $80 million for this cost
component, compared to $5 million reported on the Appendix A.
• Air carriers’ internal costs—these include, among other things,
installation, operation, maintenance, and testing of screening equipment;
ground security coordinators; security program management and
contract administration; and legal and accounting support. Based on an
analysis of the Appendix A and on information obtained through
interviews, we estimated that the air carriers incurred $34 million in
screening costs, compared to $21 million reported in the Appendix A.

During our review, we considered certain prior estimates of total security
costs that had been made by ATA and other airline officials. These
estimates suggested that annual security costs totaled approximately
$1 billion prior to September 11, 2001. ATA stated that the amounts were
generalized estimates for all domestic and international industry security
costs, not just passenger and property screening. ATA further explained
that they were “best guesses” that reflected security costs for functions in
addition to passenger and property screening. We determined that there
was no documented basis for these estimates and instead developed our
estimate for 2000 based on a review of the three primary cost components
for passenger and property screening shown in table 1.

A more detailed breakdown of the TSA budget (page 52)
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R42644.pdf

 

[Nintendesert]

Bullshit if it's a different place. Even the huge and expensive and costly in terms of civil liberties, authoritarian security we now have fails on a regular basis.

No point in arguing with someone that doesn't think we live in a different world now.

 

[monovillage]

No point in arguing with someone that doesn't think we live in a different world now.

Sorry, but i still remember when airlines were being hijacked to Cuba and the associated hysteria and ramping up of security back then. The US has always been the target of various terrorists and crazies. Spending over $8 Billion on ineffective security which has been proven not to work is just stupid in action.

 

[sactoking]

Seems like the OP was intending his diatribe to refer to federal workers, but then he specifically added in municipal workers, teachers, firefighters, etc. With that in mind, I can say firsthand that he's full of shit.

I'm a public employee, I happen to work for state government. State workers here have had their pay frozen since (IIRC) 2008. Pay freezes are tentatively scheduled to end in FY 2014, which for half of the workers is calendar year 2015. That's about 8 years of pay freeze, during which cost of living has gone up significantly.

Also during that time we've been subject to furloughs amounting to approximately 5% of pay per year.

Add in that in 2011 we took a 2.5% pay cut.

Oh, also add in that mandatory retirement contributions have gone up about 3%.

Don't forget that health premiums have gone up 100%.

Did I mention that those increased health premiums are also for worse coverage? Deductibles are also up 50-100% for PPO plans.

We're working on skeleton crews because we're prohibited from hiring, so workload has gone up.

Oh, and my agency is sitting on a seven-figure surplus because we've been forced to flat budget even though we have licensing and permit funds available.

A Grade 37, step 1, which is a mid-tier professional, should make about $50,526 per year. After all of the cuts they make about $45,520. From the time the cuts started to the time they are scheduled to end that person will have lost a total of $82,409 to the cuts, or about a year and a half of salary, plus they will still be at step 1 and about 8 years behind on the pay scale.

Oh, and we don't have a personal income tax here (it's prohibited by our constitution), so the public employees are bearing the burden of an unconstitutional income tax with no assistance from any other sector.

But that's cool, I mean, it is about time we contributed in some way, right? /sarcasm

 

[Incorruptible]

And what happened using the bargin private airport security...9/11...

Lol @ you thinking tsa is better than private security SMH

You conveniently forget that the government allowed those knives/boxcutters by passengers and all the other times when terrorists were able to pass right through the TSA but were stopped by passengers. The passengers were the ones who stopped the real dangers. Shame on you for thinking tsa is better than private security and not mentioning the passengers

 

[ShawnD1]

He pulled it out of his ass...like most of his claims.

Public employees, at least the "working stiffs" who build and maintain our roads, bridges, irrigation systems, etc., get paid far less than they would doing similar work for the private sector...but they often have better pension plans and medical plans than the private sector.

My dad had a government pension. It was AWESOME. He made more money not working than I made working, but that was after 30+ years of service.

 

[TechHead87]

He pulled it out of his ass...like most of his claims.

Public employees, at least the "working stiffs" who build and maintain our roads, bridges, irrigation systems, etc., get paid far less than they would doing similar work for the private sector...but they often have better pension plans and medical plans than the private sector.

Exactly.

The private sector should offer more competitive benefits. Blame them for cutting corners.