why people are getting uglier... and will only get uglier

[PieIsAwesome]

Funny that you mention this while I am eating a Big Mac. Yum.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
Funny that you mention this while I am eating a Big Mac. Yum.

Funny that I read this as I inject ephedrine into my eyeball and puke up my lunch into the janitor's utility sink.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: SearchMaster
I had a neighbor who was a dead ringer for Cindy Crawford in the face (back in the early 90s when Cindy was the hot thing), but was ~40-50 pounds overweight. Twas a shame (though her weight contributed to a great rack).

i'd take a tight bod with perky boobs over chunky with bigguns.

And you'd probably get it too if it weren't for your personality.

what's that supposed to mean?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
Funny that you mention this while I am eating a Big Mac. Yum.

no, i mentioned it a few hours ago.
you read it while u were eating a big mac.

 

[Barfo]

If the trend continues, fat will be the new hot and the healthy people will be the uglies.

 

[polarmystery]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i went to wally world yesterday and it was amazing how many fatties were around. i don't know whether wally world attracts a higher than usual number of fatties or whether the other places i go attract a higher than usual number of health sized people or whether i just notice the fatties more at wally world. every time i go to wally world i feel like going to the gym and hitting the treadmill for two hours immediately afterward.

I get this EXACT feeling also it's almost uncontrollable. Like I must run a few miles or do some 5x5's to get the looking at fat people stigma out of my head.

 

[DayLaPaul]

You got a mouse in your pocket? Who's "we?"

 

[polarmystery]

Originally posted by: Barfo
If the trend continues, fat will be the new hot and the healthy people will be the uglies.

Doubtful. (hopefully anyway )

 

[Andrew1990]

Hmm, just finished 2 Veal Patties and still not overweight. It doesnt really matter how much I eat, I stay around 165lbs at 6ft.

I got a gut but a little work out will take care of that if I get around to it.



Why not open up Mandatory fitness camps and round up all the fatties and make them work. Feed them a limited supply of watered down soup and bread made out of sawdust?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: polarmystery

Originally posted by: Barfo
If the trend continues, fat will be the new hot and the healthy people will be the uglies.

Doubtful. (hopefully anyway )

if Wall-E is any indicator, it's a trend...

wasn't full bodied and voluptuous at one point considered attractive?

 

[TehMac]

Obese people are absolutely revolting. They're the reason why the West is slowly slipping away in complacency and laziness while Asian countries like China are edging all the more rapidly into dominating the world scene.

Obese people should either snap out of it or kill themselves

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

Originally posted by: polarmystery

Originally posted by: Barfo
If the trend continues, fat will be the new hot and the healthy people will be the uglies.

Doubtful. (hopefully anyway )

if Wall-E is any indicator, it's a trend...

wasn't full bodied and voluptuous at one point considered attractive?

Reubenesque != obese.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

wasn't full bodied and voluptuous at one point considered attractive?

voluptuous yes...obese...I don't think that has ever been considered attractive...but I'm sure someone on here will prove me wrong.

That being said, my theory as to why being overweight has ever been considered attractive has more to do with desire to be something that is difficult to attain. Back in the day, food was not as plentiful and it was hard to get "voluptuous"...so people desired this and it became attractive. It is people just being attracted to the "hard to get" and "I'm so rich, I can get fat" syndrome.

Now that food is plentiful in most 1st world countries and for most people it is exceptionally easy to get fat...now the "hard to get" is being thin. So people tend to be attracted to thin people. I don't see us moving to "fat" being attractive in the 1st world until there is a severe famine across the whole 1st world.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TallBill
Either way your arguement is flawed. We have a genetic potential to have a certain shaped body, which is what gets passed down to children. That's like saying that people who get lung cancer from smoking will increase the chances of their offspring to get lung cancer.

Yep, and this MORE than proves that the propensity for obesity is genetic:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8452057

A number of studies, including the Danish adoption study, have shown that, in adults, the familial resemblance of obesity, as measured by the body mass index (weight in kg/(height in m)2), is mainly due to genes. The body mass index may reflect both fat and fat-free body mass. In this further analysis of the Danish adoption study, the degree of obesity was assessed by a silhouette score. There was a significant relationship in scores between the adult adoptees and their biological mothers and between the adoptees and their biological full siblings reared by the biological parents. Weaker, nonsignificant associations were found for the biological fathers and for the maternal and paternal half-siblings. There were no relationships in silhouette scoring between adoptees and adoptive parents. The results confirm the results of our previous analysis of body mass index. We conclude that human obesity is under genetic control, whereas the childhood family environment has little, if any, influence on obesity in adults. It is an important task for future research to identify the genes involved.

It still doesn't seem like you can argue with calories in vs. calories out. It's impossible to gain any fat if you aren't consuming more energy than you are expending.

That said, maybe the feelings of hunger one experiences are genetic? I would believe that if someone is experiencing ravenous hunger pangs 24/7 while trying to diet, then it would be very easy to simply consume the number of calories that allows them to feel satisfied, even if that number of caloires happens to provide more energy than they require.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TallBill
Either way your arguement is flawed. We have a genetic potential to have a certain shaped body, which is what gets passed down to children. That's like saying that people who get lung cancer from smoking will increase the chances of their offspring to get lung cancer.

Yep, and this MORE than proves that the propensity for obesity is genetic:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8452057

A number of studies, including the Danish adoption study, have shown that, in adults, the familial resemblance of obesity, as measured by the body mass index (weight in kg/(height in m)2), is mainly due to genes. The body mass index may reflect both fat and fat-free body mass. In this further analysis of the Danish adoption study, the degree of obesity was assessed by a silhouette score. There was a significant relationship in scores between the adult adoptees and their biological mothers and between the adoptees and their biological full siblings reared by the biological parents. Weaker, nonsignificant associations were found for the biological fathers and for the maternal and paternal half-siblings. There were no relationships in silhouette scoring between adoptees and adoptive parents. The results confirm the results of our previous analysis of body mass index. We conclude that human obesity is under genetic control, whereas the childhood family environment has little, if any, influence on obesity in adults. It is an important task for future research to identify the genes involved.

It still doesn't seem like you can't argue with calories in vs. calories out. It's impossible to gain any fat if you aren't consuming more energy than you are expending.

That said, maybe the feelings of hunger one experiences are genetic? I would believe that if someone is experiencing ravenous hunger pangs 24/7 while trying to diet, then it would be very easy to simply consume the number of calories that allows them to feel satisfied, even if that number of caloires happens to provide more energy than they require.

It is NOT as simple as calories in vs calories out as all people are build differently. We are not one size fits all. Some are genetically more gifted at storing fat than others. Some have different set points for body fat and still others even lack the signal the body send the brain when it's full.

If weight control were simple, it wouldn't have a long term success rate lower than overcoming drug addiction and smoking.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Amused

It is NOT as simple as calories in vs calories out as all people are build differently.

I'm not an expert......but I think you are actually wrong...it is as simple as calories in vs. calories out. The genetic difference is how efficient our body is. If it is very efficient, it does not burn as many calories as someone who's body is less efficient. So I may be genetically disposed to burn less calories than someone else...but it is still calories in vs. calories out. So if I am very efficient and burn very few calories...than I don't need to eat very much to live (other than making sure to cover all mineral/vitamin needs).

Now I'm sure ATOT will prove me wrong...but this just seems to make sense.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TallBill
Either way your arguement is flawed. We have a genetic potential to have a certain shaped body, which is what gets passed down to children. That's like saying that people who get lung cancer from smoking will increase the chances of their offspring to get lung cancer.

umm.... they may.

So you can change your DNA now simply by smoking or eating a lot? You might wanna take another bio class :Q

*woosh*

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo

wasn't full bodied and voluptuous at one point considered attractive?

voluptuous yes...obese...I don't think that has ever been considered attractive...but I'm sure someone on here will prove me wrong.

That being said, my theory as to why being overweight has ever been considered attractive has more to do with desire to be something that is difficult to attain. Back in the day, food was not as plentiful and it was hard to get "voluptuous"...so people desired this and it became attractive. It is people just being attracted to the "hard to get" and "I'm so rich, I can get fat" syndrome.

Now that food is plentiful in most 1st world countries and for most people it is exceptionally easy to get fat...now the "hard to get" is being thin. So people tend to be attracted to thin people. I don't see us moving to "fat" being attractive in the 1st world until there is a severe famine across the whole 1st world.

never said obese.

and highly disagree with your theory.

 

[Safeway]

Attractive obese women do not exist. Attractive and obese are mutually exclusive.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TallBill
Either way your arguement is flawed. We have a genetic potential to have a certain shaped body, which is what gets passed down to children. That's like saying that people who get lung cancer from smoking will increase the chances of their offspring to get lung cancer.

Yep, and this MORE than proves that the propensity for obesity is genetic:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8452057

A number of studies, including the Danish adoption study, have shown that, in adults, the familial resemblance of obesity, as measured by the body mass index (weight in kg/(height in m)2), is mainly due to genes. The body mass index may reflect both fat and fat-free body mass. In this further analysis of the Danish adoption study, the degree of obesity was assessed by a silhouette score. There was a significant relationship in scores between the adult adoptees and their biological mothers and between the adoptees and their biological full siblings reared by the biological parents. Weaker, nonsignificant associations were found for the biological fathers and for the maternal and paternal half-siblings. There were no relationships in silhouette scoring between adoptees and adoptive parents. The results confirm the results of our previous analysis of body mass index. We conclude that human obesity is under genetic control, whereas the childhood family environment has little, if any, influence on obesity in adults. It is an important task for future research to identify the genes involved.

It still doesn't seem like you can't argue with calories in vs. calories out. It's impossible to gain any fat if you aren't consuming more energy than you are expending.

That said, maybe the feelings of hunger one experiences are genetic? I would believe that if someone is experiencing ravenous hunger pangs 24/7 while trying to diet, then it would be very easy to simply consume the number of calories that allows them to feel satisfied, even if that number of caloires happens to provide more energy than they require.

It is NOT as simple as calories in vs calories out as all people are build differently. We are not one size fits all. Some are genetically more gifted at storing fat than others. Some have different set points for body fat and still others even lack the signal the body send the brain when it's full.

If weight control were simple, it wouldn't have a long term success rate lower than overcoming drug addiction and smoking.

But couldn't one always counter an increased tendency to store fat by eating less? People may have setpoints, but again, the calories have to be there for the fat to form.

It still seems like an ultimate issue of willpower to me, although your comment about lacking the signal the body sends to the brain to indicate fullness would agree with what I said earlier - they are so consumed by hunger that eating the amount of food necessary to not feel hunger results in them gaining fat.

 

[HannibalX]

Work work work...

 

[Safeway]

I saw a documentary on this lady that gained weight regardless of her net caloric intake. Her body was ridiculously efficient at creating and storing fats, and also ridiculously efficient at using sugars as sustainable energy. Two eggs a day for a year, gained weight. Balanced diet with a caloric deficiency, gained weight. Worked out, gained weight.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

physcially, chemically, biologically impossible.

 

[Shadow Conception]

Don't blame genetics when you eat McDonalds three times a day.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: Barfo
If the trend continues, fat will be the new hot and the healthy people will be the uglies.

Not for me!

 

[rh71]

as reported on nbc nightly news last night:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22...1/vp/31697972#31697972

33% in mississippi, for the 5th year in a row. Colorado has the best least-obese rate at under 20%, and CA/midwest/FLA/Northeastern states are 2nd best.

Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
Don't blame genetics when you eat McDonalds three times a day.

or BBQ / fried food.