Why no one should consider voting for Jeb Bush.

[rudeguy]

AFAIK- the are no kick backs or commissions involved but if I'm wrong, let me know and I'll admit my error

I use those terms out of habit. They aren't the proper ones.

I'm going to figure this out and update when I know.

 

[Vic]

You have to wonder what part of the electorate he think he's appealing to with that statement. Is there a part that's still strongly pro-war?

Yes. The defense industry is one of the largest employers in the US.

 

[mindmajick]

Yes. The defense industry is one of the largest employers in the US.

Unfortunately true. Right up there with the prison system.

 

[nickqt]

I have to be kind of careful with what I say and how I phrase them.

The Obama phone program is being abused. Everyone knows it. It is not a secret.

"In the old days" a cell phone, even a cheap cell phone, had a cost. For a cheap analog phone it was around $80. Now even a cheap flip phone has a cost. Lets say the cost of the phone is $50, which is the cheapest phone I know of from first hand knowledge.

The way it works is the dealer gets a kickback as commission for the sale. The lifeline program gave roughly an $18 discount back when I was doing the selling. A rate plan with an $18 monthly would give maybe a $20 kickback. Certainly not enough to cover the cost of a phone and certainly not enough to make money doing it. So the question is, what kind of kickback is the program giving? 500 minutes plus unlimited text for a normal plan would be around $30/month. We would pay our dealers $30 for that. Not nearly enough to give them a $50 phone and still make money.

Sorry friend but there are no $5 phones. $5 phones come from subsidies. What about the cheap prepaid phones you ask? Those are the ones I know the most about....

Who is abusing this program to profit?

The government, or private business(es)?

I always get a kick out of people talking about the government being incompetent because some private business demigod is committing fraud or cooking the books.

 

[Victorian Gray]

There will always be a percentage of wackos but what's truly concerning is the revisionist history that is taught in schools. Ignoring what actually occurred in favor of an agenda that the U.S. was and is bad. What do young empty minds absorb but what they are spoon fed?

Citation please. (as in, actual examples from actual textbooks being used to accomplish this nefarious scheme in the present day US)

We've got a President right now who was taught in this manner and we're reaping the 'rewards' of that

Obama actually spent his time in grade 1-12 in either Indonesia (where he had a mix of public, private and Catholic schooling) or in a private prep school in the US.

I'm curious, do you think that it might have been the Catholics at St. Francis of Assisi Catholic School in Indonesia who taught him all this revisionist history? Or, was it the private prep school in Hawaii?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Sanders has no shot unless Hillary dies of a heart attack or something.

Sanders will *never* be President of the United States.

 

[Victorian Gray]

How is it a waste of a vote? At the very least, I can say that whichever elitist asshole wins, I didn't vote for him/her, whereas if I vote for an R or a D then either my candidate loses or I'll have helped elect an asshole who will do assholy things in office. Only the nature of perhaps 1/3 of those things will change depending on which one wins. Seems like a win to me.

Besides, I'm tired of voting for the lesser evil. This time I'm writing in Satan and to Hell with his middle man.

An oldie but goodie

 

[rudeguy]

Jeb in 16!

 

[Nebor]

Citation please. (as in, actual examples from actual textbooks being used to accomplish this nefarious scheme in the present day US)



Obama actually spent his time in grade 1-12 in either Indonesia (where he had a mix of public, private and Catholic schooling) or in a private prep school in the US.

I'm curious, do you think that it might have been the Catholics at St. Francis of Assisi Catholic School in Indonesia who taught him all this revisionist history? Or, was it the private prep school in Hawaii?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/09/12/proposed-texas-textbooks-are-inaccurate-biased-and-politicized-new-report-finds/

Just the most recent. And those books will be all over the country as Texas' text book buying power makes their selections the cheaper and more probable selection for many other states.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Sanders has no shot unless Hillary dies of a heart attack or something.

Sanders has no shot unless mushrooms are made a requirement for voting.

 

[IronWing]

Jeb in 16!

Admit it, you enjoy being canola'ed up the cornhole.

 

[Jhhnn]

They usually get 250 minutes.

The retail cost of the phone is overblown, as I'm sure you know. The phone companies don't pay retail.

But let's say the phone companies get $18 a month. They overcharge everyone else so much they can afford to do it.

Put $8 a month towards the "cheapo subsidized" phone and the other $10 a month for phone service.

The phone companies constantly change their rates, are making an incredible profit AND they look like the good guys.

Edit: BTW folks. I'm not a liberal. But I've got nothing against helping others get a leg up. Pulling yourself up by the bootstraps is not always an option. I've never taken government assistance, but i was lucky to have family assistance. Not everyone has that option.

Edit2: reminder that bush started the "obamaphone"

Edit3: also check the other link i posted. This isn't funded by taxpayers.

Edit4: OK. I'm gonna stop now.
Since 2009, there has been an urban myth that Obama created a program to provide free phones to low-income Americans at taxpayer expense. There is, in fact, a government program that will provide low-income people with a free or low cost cell phone. It was*started in 2008 under George W. Bush.

The program that's the foundation for the Obamaphone actually started with land lines during the Reagan years-

http://www.obamaphone.com/what-is-the-obama-phone

Current low end price for prepaid flip phones? $9.82.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/TracFone-LG440G-Cell-Phone/21997718#about

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The program that's the foundation for the Obamaphone actually started with land lines during the Reagan years-

Obamaphone and Obamacare...Democrats taking credit for their ripoffs of awesome Republican ideas!!! :biggrin:

 

[rudeguy]

Admit it, you enjoy being canola'ed up the cornhole.

I just love how worked up people get over the Bush name. It makes me smile.

 

[Victorian Gray]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...rate-biased-and-politicized-new-report-finds/

Just the most recent. And those books will be all over the country as Texas' text book buying power makes their selections the cheaper and more probable selection for many other states.

But that's 'conservative' historical revisionism. Didn't realize that they were promoting hatred of America to American students. Shame on them for doing so.

Seems boomerang was after the wrong tribe with this one.

 

[Jhhnn]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/09/12/proposed-texas-textbooks-are-inaccurate-biased-and-politicized-new-report-finds/

Just the most recent. And those books will be all over the country as Texas' text book buying power makes their selections the cheaper and more probable selection for many other states.

Well, yeh, but that's not the kind of revisionist history that boomerang imagines.

It's really quite sad.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Sanders has no shot unless mushrooms are made a requirement for voting.

I might vote for that.

 

[Jhhnn]

Obamaphone and Obamacare...Democrats taking credit for their ripoffs of awesome Republican ideas!!! :biggrin:

If Rush, Hannity & O'Reilly said that, the base would believe it.

 

[mindmajick]

The program that's the foundation for the Obamaphone actually started with land lines during the Reagan years-

http://www.obamaphone.com/what-is-the-obama-phone

Current low end price for prepaid flip phones? $9.82.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/TracFone-LG440G-Cell-Phone/21997718#about

Yeah. I already brought that up previously in the conversation.

The tracphone is subsidized by the phone company so really doesn't count. (just trying to be honest here.. Even if it doesn't help my argument)

 

[rudeguy]

You guys are losing focus.

Bush is evil! He is a war criminal and should be shipped to Gitmo! He is pure evil!!!

 

[IronWing]

You guys are losing focus.

Bush is evil! He is a war criminal and should be shipped to Gitmo! He is pure evil!!!

No, we should hang him right here at home, along side his dad. Not Jeb, George. Jeb ain't a war criminal, yet. I see no reason to give him the opportunity.

 

[rudeguy]

Should Jeb be hung to prevent war crimes? Drone strike maybe?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You guys are losing focus.

Bush is evil! He is a war criminal and should be shipped to Gitmo! He is pure evil!!!

Wait. I'm confused. The OP assured us that Bush and his "criminal cabal" would be seized and thrown into the klink once Obama took office. SURELY that happened, right? RIGHT?

 

[mindmajick]

Should Jeb be hung to prevent war crimes? Drone strike maybe?

ACK! You mean a "preemptive strike"?

::Shudder::

 

[Nebor]

But that's 'conservative' historical revisionism. Didn't realize that they were promoting hatred of America to American students. Shame on them for doing so.

Seems boomerang was after the wrong tribe with this one.

I figure if one tribe is doing it the other is too.