Why Microsoft must abandon Vista to save itself

Cygnus X1

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While Vista was originally touted by Microsoft as the operating system savior we've all been waiting for, it has turned out to be one of the biggest blunders in technology. With a host of issues that are inexcusable and features that are taken from the Mac OS X and Linux playbook, Microsoft has once again lost sight of what we really want.

As we're more than aware, Vista Ultimate comes at a premium. For an additional $160 over the Premium SKU price, Ultimate gives you a complete backup and restore option, BitLocker Drive encryption, the ever so popular Windows Fax & Scan, and the "Ultimate Extras." But what started with a promise of "Extras" by summer, quickly turned into an apology from Microsoft and the eventual release of DreamScene and Windows Hold 'Em (among others) today. And while each of the "Extras" runs just fine, Microsoft's "Extras" blunder is just another reason why the company must abandon Vista before it's too late.

The first indication that Microsoft should abandon Vista is its poor sales figures. According to a recent report titled "Windows Vista Still Underperforming in U.S. Retail" from NPD, Vista sales are significantly behind XP sales during its early days. Even worse for Redmond, some are reverting to XP, citing issues with compatibility and overall design. And if that wasn't enough, Macs continue to surge and with the impending release of Leopard, Microsoft may be in for a rough holiday season.

With each passing day, it's becoming blatantly clear that Microsoft released Vista too early and the company's continual mistakes and promises that can't be kept are further annoying the Windows faithful.

Much talk has been given to Service Pack 1 and how this update should address many of the issues users have with Vista, but I simply don't agree. Will SP1 eliminate the ridiculous Microsoft licensing schemes? Will SP1 drop the price on the higher-end versions? Will SP1 eliminate the need for users to buy a new computer just to use the faulty OS?

SP1 will do nothing but fix the holes and issues we currently know about and create even more. As we all know from the days of Windows ME and even XP, Microsoft is not the best company at finding and addressing security issues, and chances are, Vista will be no different.

One significant problem that I have with Vista is its inclusion of new DRM, specifically the company's decision to install Protected Video Path. To prevent a person from copying (or in most cases, backing up) a movie, the operating system provides process isolation and if an unverified component is in use, the operating system shuts down DRM content. For the first time on any operating system, we're not even allowed to backup our favorite movies? Come on.

I also find it interesting that Microsoft decided to take the user access control concept from Mac OS X and make it much worse. Can someone please explain to me why I need to be asked if I wanted to do something entirely innocuous like open a third-party app from a well-known software company?

Never before have I seen such an abysmal start to an operating system release. For almost a year, people have been adopting Vista and becoming incensed by how poorly it operates. Not only does it cost too much, it requires more to run than XP, there is still poor driver support, and that draconian licensing scheme is a by-product of Microsoft picking on the wrong people.

The road ahead looks dangerous for Vista and Microsoft must realize that. With Mac OS X hot on its tail, Vista is simply not capable of competing at an OS level with some of the best software around. If Microsoft continues down this path, it will be Vista that will bring the software giant to its knees--not Bill Gates' departure.

Of course, categorically dumping an operating system is quite difficult and with millions already using the OS, chances are Microsoft won't find a good enough reason to do it. And while I can understand that argument, there's no reason the company can't continue to support Vista and go back to the drawing board for its next OS. Even better, go back to XP--it's not nearly as bad as Vista.

As a daily user of Mac OS X, Ubuntu and Vista, I'm keenly aware of what works and what doesn't. Mac and Linux work.

The time is up. Microsoft must abandon Vista and move on. It's the company's only chance at redemption.


Plagiarism will get you into even more trouble in the real world than on an internet forum

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Zenoth

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The only problem I have with Vista is that under a CRT it's useless due to a fundamental glitch which refrains custom refresh rates to be applied properly and permanently for Desktop and, especially, 3D applications alike. If it wasn't for that problem alone I wouldn't be using XP anymore, I prefer Vista's interface overall, and it has a much better 64-Bit support this time around (XP 64-Bit was and still is a complete mess).
 

stash

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Redemption? lol.

This is a waste of time, but here goes...

Can someone please explain to me why I need to be asked if I wanted to do something entirely innocuous like open a third-party app from a well-known software company?
Because the third-party app is coded for shit? Or more specifically, coded to require admin access to run.

With Mac OS X hot on its tail, Vista is simply not capable of competing at an OS level with some of the best software around
You have an interesting definition of "hot on its tail". Single digit marketshare is hot on the tail of the one with close to 90% share? Steve Jobs knows this, and doesn't try to compete with Windows. Sure, Apple is happy when their market share goes up, but their goal is not the destruction of Microsoft or even overtaking Windows in the marketplace. Both would be detrimental to Apple's success.

I find it interesting and telling that you posted no specific issues with Vista that you have personally experienced. All I read in your post is the same recycled anecdotes and FUD. The only real interesting and valid point in your post is about Ultimate Extras, which have been handled about as badly as possible.
 
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And while each of the "Extras" runs just fine, Microsoft's "Extras" blunder is just another reason why the company must abandon Vista before it's too late.

The world's largest software maker must abandon its flagship product and alienate millions of its users? Wow, this guy surely knows how to run a company.
 

Jeff7181

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OMFG Vista is teh suxxors! Don't u no? Cum on gaiz Micro$oft sux so bad, amirite?
 

Bateluer

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People said the same thing about XP when it was released, the same about Win2k when it was released, etc.
 

AnonymouseUser

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Originally posted by: Bateluer
People said the same thing about XP when it was released, the same about Win2k when it was released, etc.

In other words, there is something inherently wrong with Vista.

It wasn't until W2K/XP SP1 was released that some critics were satisfied, and W2K/XP SP2 until the majority were satisfied. So the cycle continues...
 

Nothinman

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And if that wasn't enough, Macs continue to surge and with the impending release of Leopard, Microsoft may be in for a rough holiday season.

Hahahahahaha yea, this might just be the year that Apple takes over the desktop!

For the first time on any operating system, we're not even allowed to backup our favorite movies? Come on.

You've never been legally allowed to do that and AFAIK the DVD backup tools still work fine on Vista.

I also find it interesting that Microsoft decided to take the user access control concept from Mac OS X and make it much worse. Can someone please explain to me why I need to be asked if I wanted to do something entirely innocuous like open a third-party app from a well-known software company?

Contact "well-known software company" and tell them to fix their app then. Unless it has a very good reason it shouldn't require any special rights and yet it's trying to do something that requires them otherwise UAC wouldn't popup.

Never before have I seen such an abysmal start to an operating system release. For almost a year, people have been adopting Vista and becoming incensed by how poorly it operates. Not only does it cost too much, it requires more to run than XP, there is still poor driver support, and that draconian licensing scheme is a by-product of Microsoft picking on the wrong people.

That sounds a lot like the XP release. Everyone complained about the price, the "kiddie" UI theme and how much more memory it took to run over Win2K. Now XP is perfectly fine and Vista is the hog, ironic. And AFAIK the licensing is the virtually same, the activation process is a little more complete now but it's still enforcing the same basic rules.

The road ahead looks dangerous for Vista and Microsoft must realize that. With Mac OS X hot on its tail, Vista is simply not capable of competing at an OS level with some of the best software around. If Microsoft continues down this path, it will be Vista that will bring the software giant to its knees--not Bill Gates' departure.

MS just made $13B in the second quarter, yes just that one quarter, of '07 which is up 13% from the same quarter last year and you think Vista's slow start will bring them to their knees?
 

Brazen

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Originally posted by: OSx86
Originally posted by: soonerproud
Wasn't this a bad blog by a clueless blogger on Cnet?

http://www.news.com/8301-10784...7-7.html?tag=nefd.only

OP, It is called plagiarism to post some one else's blog without giving credit to the original author or a link to his post.

Wow, at least post the link when you copy/paste OP

yeah, after reading the first paragraph, I'm thinking "where's the link to the CNet article?" Plagiarism is really not cool.
 

bruceb

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I think I will stay with XP ... It is proven and stable & all my apps are fully compaitble with it.
So that means I will not need to pay $$$$$ for newer versions of programs, like Office or
Acrobat Pro or Photoshop that I currently have and may not work under Vista. I have an XP
Pro cd sitting here I can use and can easily merge SP2 or SP3 (when it comes out) into it.

XP will stay for me for at least another 5 years or so.
 

Brazen

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Originally posted by: Bateluer
People said the same thing about XP when it was released, the same about Win2k when it was released, etc.

No, things were not this bad since Windows ME. And Microsoft did wise up and jump ship from Windows ME, but they also had an alternative that people were lovin': Windows 2000.
 

corkyg

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I have no problems at all with Vista, cost or performance. I do have a problem with blathering.
 

InlineFive

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Originally posted by: corkyg
I have no problems at all with Vista, cost or performance. I do have a problem with blathering.

Ditto. I read the thread title and the first sentence before thinking that this person should be banned.
 

Noema

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Originally posted by: corkyg
I have no problems at all with Vista, cost or performance. I do have a problem with blathering.

Same here.

The 'Vista sucks OMG' trolls are starting to get tiring.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Noema
Originally posted by: corkyg
I have no problems at all with Vista, cost or performance. I do have a problem with blathering.

Same here.

The 'Vista sucks OMG' trolls are starting to get tiring.

That ship sailed a long time ago! ;) I expect even more thumb-sucking and whining when Win 7 rolls out.

 

bfdd

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I'm quite happy with my Vista install now. Using Vista Ultimate 64bit and the only problem I've ever come along is drivers and those were the hardware devs fault not MS's. UAC doesn't bother me I just turn it off even when I had it on it wasn't that bad.
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: bruceb

XP will stay for me for at least another 5 years or so.

Thats going to be difficult. In in another year, possibly 2, most software will be written for Vista, not XP. Vienna will also be coming down the pipeline. Continuing to use XP will be like using Windows 3.11 at the release of WinXP.
 

AnonymouseUser

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Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: bruceb

XP will stay for me for at least another 5 years or so.

Thats going to be difficult. In in another year, possibly 2, most software will be written for Vista, not XP. Vienna will also be coming down the pipeline. Continuing to use XP will be like using Windows 3.11 at the release of WinXP.

Then again, it could be like using Win2K at the release of Vista. It's more common than you think.
 

Brazen

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Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: bruceb

XP will stay for me for at least another 5 years or so.

Thats going to be difficult. In in another year, possibly 2, most software will be written for Vista, not XP. Vienna will also be coming down the pipeline. Continuing to use XP will be like using Windows 3.11 at the release of WinXP.

Then again, it could be like using Win2K at the release of Vista. It's more common than you think.

And people using Win3.11 at the release of XP was not unheard of either. Shoot, we had an old DOS machine here until about 2 years ago and we still have 2 Win NT4 machines and a Win 9x machine (not sure if it's 98 or 95, probably 98).
 

Sunner

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I didn't much like Vista when I used it, but that blog(ban the OP for plagiarism anyone?) is a load of crap.