Why It's Time for the Tea Party

[PJABBER]

The key word is when. And if I remember correctly it was just the first one, not the one they lied us into.

They were for it until it became politically convenient for them to be against it.

 

[soundforbjt]

^^^ Only among the repubs.

I remember how the repubs campaigned against Clinton saying no more unnecessary wars like Bosnia, etc. Yet they went to Iraq.

 

[CaptnKirk]

The 'Tea Party' was a political construct of the extreme wing of the GOP with the support of the moderate GOP
with the intent to do as much damage as possible to Democrats before the 2010 elections.

So far there has been much less damage the the Democrats except for the rejection of Allan Specter in his attempt
to cross over from the GOP and return to his Democratic origins - he was perceived as a two-timing oportunitist.

Where the Tea Party has inflicted the most damage is on the mainstream and moderate GOP members who have already been
in lockstep resistance against all democratic actions.
Does this mean that the Tea Party is rejecting the GOP rejection of the proposals by all Democrats,
or just wanting to purge those who are not pure enough to be fellow extremist radicals?

The GOP Primaries are closed - open only to registered Republican Party card carrying members, no Independants,
or ourside party participation is allowed to have any slight influence on the GOP Primaries.

Democrats, on the other hand, alllow Independants, Non-Party affiliates, and even some
'GOP Cross-over re-registrations' to participate in their candidate selections, in the hope that it will bring forward
the best and most electable candidates for the elections cycle.

Democrats embrace the 'Big-Tent' scope of politics, while Republicans embrace the 'Circus-Tent' scope,
complete with man eating tigers, Ring Masters, and a plethora of Clowns.
The Trapeze acts are constantly falling of the swings and wires, and missing the safety nets.

 

[Jaskalas]

The 'Tea Party' was a political construct of the extreme wing of the GOP with the support of the moderate GOP
with the intent to do as much damage as possible to Democrats before the 2010 elections.

Nominating pure conservatives does damage to the Democrats?

 

[Moonbeam]

^^^ Only among the repubs.

No, I don't think so. I was against the Iraq 2 and most were for it including a majority of me too scumbag cowardly democrats.

 

[PJABBER]

^^^ Only among the repubs.

Oh, there were a few Dems that thought it was foolish and not in the national interest to turn the war into a political game of gotcha.

After a couple of years of polemic by the Dems and the sycophant press they did win the Congress and the White House to do with as they will.

But the facade is crumbling now and their shame will be reflected come November and when history is written.

 

[spidey07]

CaptinKirk, the open vs. closed primary depends on the state.

 

[Jaskalas]

But the facade is crumbling now and their shame will be reflected come November and when history is written.

The Tea Party will truly be shamed when McCain returns to the senate.

 

[irishScott]

One question, where was the tea party when one party was in power and spending like drunken sailors and started two wars for no reason?

It has nothing to do with what they claim are their values. They are nothing more than rebranded neocons and angry white conservatives who want their power back.

Even the meaning of their name is a joke...Taxed Enough Already, while their taxes are the lowest in history! Give me a break.

Or they saw the Repubs failed, gave the Democrats a chance and are watching them fail, and are sick of it.

Not that I support all of their values, but by and large I think they've had a positive influence.

 

[PJABBER]

Earth to Cap'n Kirk! You and Craig need to get a room together to iron out the inconsistencies with your conspiracy ravings!

I wonder if you guys understand that sometimes people come to an understanding independently and individually. When they act on that impulse they encounter others of like mind and are thus reinforced in the strength of their belief and in the knowledge that they are not alone.

The Tea Party is grassroots. They find fault in both major Parties but have higher hopes and expectations of the Pubs. The Dems, for the most part, are a lost cause, plus, remember, they are the ones in power and this entrenchment is unlikely to motivate them to listen. Why should they?

 

[zsdersw]

But the facade is crumbling now and their shame will be reflected come November

And if it doesn't come in November?

 

[soundforbjt]

Or they saw the Repubs failed, gave the Democrats a chance and are watching them fail, and are sick of it.

Not that I support all of their values, but by and large I think they've had a positive influence.

They may have started that way, But, they were hijacked by repubs and neocons as a way to get their power back. They may have had good intentions but when you sell your soul to the devil, you lose your way.

 

[woolfe9999]

In late 2008, we had an economic collapse and recession, and because of that, the democrats swept the elections and took power. Many liberals at the time believed that this was a longer term political realignment toward the left. They were wrong. Now in 2010, we are in the midst of the same terrible recession, but now the democrats are being blamed and we have "populist rage" against the democrats. Naturally, conservatives consider this to be a long term shift in political alignment. It isn't any more true now than it was in 2008. It's the economy, stupid.

- wolf

 

[Atreus21]

In late 2008, we had an economic collapse and recession, and because of that, the democrats swept the elections and took power. Many liberals at the time believed that this was a longer term political realignment toward the left. They were wrong. Now in 2010, we are in the midst of the same terrible recession, but now the democrats are being blamed and we have "populist rage" against the democrats. Naturally, conservatives consider this to be a long term shift in political alignment. It isn't any more true now than it was in 2008. It's the economy, stupid.

- wolf

My instinct agrees, but I can't help but hope you're wrong.

 

[zsdersw]

I want fiscal conservatives who aren't also social conservatives. If you're a social conservative, I'm never voting for you, regardless of what party you're in.

 

[Fear No Evil]

The Tea Party will truly be shamed when McCain returns to the senate.

So what will the Democrat party look like when they lose 5-10 seats in the Senate and dozens in the house?

 

[PJABBER]

And if it doesn't come in November?

Good question. The polls indicate a landslide and one that is predicated on the highly motivated coalition of Tea Party, Independents, Republican, Conservative and Libertarian voters voting. None of them are sitting out this election, I truly believe that. They want to "take back" the country (government) and they are going to stampede the polls.

There is a possibility of a mild rally by the Dems at the last minute, or, God forbid, the nation goes to war in the Mid-East and all bets are off. But what is going to motivate the Dems at this point? Hatred of Sarah Palin? She's not running. Hatred of George Bush? He's not on the ballot. Voting for the first Black President in American history? Everyone is running from the disaster he represents. To enable more vacations, golf outings and gala events for the Obamas? Give me a break!

Perhaps you can think of a scenario to change the course of the tsunami, but I can't. And I think it will sweep in some outstanding people like Miller in Alaska and some marginal types like O'Donnell, bless her heart, in Delaware.

The Dems have no one to point at in this election but at themselves. They stopped representing the people and focused 100% on special interests and those interests are not going to carry them into another term.

 

[soundforbjt]

^^^ How quickly they forget the agendas of the their own party when they were in power.

 

[Kadarin]

Looking at the quality and type of candidates the Tea Party is supporting in Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell, I don't plan on voting for a Tea Party candidate, ever. I don't get the impression that these people have anything resembling either a solid plan or ability to govern the country.

 

[umbrella39]

One question, where was the tea party when one party was in power and spending like drunken sailors and started two wars for no reason?

It has nothing to do with what they claim are their values. They are nothing more than rebranded neocons and angry white conservatives who want their power back.

Even the meaning of their name is a joke...Taxed Enough Already, while their taxes are the lowest in history! Give me a break.

This again, 100%. Their agenda is so pathetically transparent it boggles the mind. However, the people who cast votes in this country continue to amaze with how stupid they can be.

If they really fall for this sleight hand trick we deserve what we get.

 

[zsdersw]

Good question.

.. that you didn't answer.

 

[Lanyap]

Not really. It all started with TARP. We were majorly against that, the majority of the country didn't want it, and yet government did it anyway. That was the start.

Then came the stimulus, The People pleaded with congress/pres not to, they did it anyway.

Then came healthcare. The majority of this nation pleaded with congress to not pass this monstrosity of a bill they hadn't read. They did it anyway.

It's not just about spending, it's about a congress and white house going in direct opposition of The People. The outrage started with Tarp at the end of bush and has only been getting stronger. But spending and taxes are a huge part of it. Taxed Enough Already.

And maybe because the economy was not in the shitter back then like it is now and people saw the times as being pretty good except for 9/11 and towards the end of Bush's era when things started going downhill with the economy.

 

[Lanyap]

The majority of people were against the wars, but I didn't hear a peep out of the conservatives supporting the people's majority opposition to that, just the opposite, they were called un-patriotic. They hated America, etc.

The conservatives are just as lame as any party when it comes to the "people's will".

Not in the beginning. Most people were either for it or were not sure if it was the right thing but they weren't against. Mostly the extreme left was against it in the beginning. As the wars dragged on and soldiers died and the economy worsened did the people switch to be against it.

 

[Lanyap]

The Tea Party is the fault of George Bush. He inspired every moron in the country that they too could be President. Maybe we're finally going to see our first military coup.

The TP probably would not exist if McCain had been elected. Dems did enough things to piss the average person off and get them to start the TP movement.

 

[hal2kilo]

No, I don't think so. I was against the Iraq 2 and most were for it including a majority of me too scumbag cowardly democrats.

Unfortunately, true. They got burned when Bush Seniors excellent adventure worked out and had voted against it. It was a pure political calculation on those Dems part.