Why isn't this documentary mentioned ANYWHERE in the US media?

[blahblah99]

The documentary entitled "Afghan Massacre: The Convoy of Death" isn't mentioned anywhere in US media sites, television, or radio. Yet the majority of the countries of the world have seen/known about the video.

I just saw it over the weekend and it contains some disturbing information and images, not only about the captives, but also about how they were treated.

 

[dahunan]

Are these the people who were dying in the trailer vans and when they needed some air the afghanis under our command shot holes in the sides of the trailers to give them some air (while they were still in there) ? Then after they died we buried the trailers with the bodies in them.. before anyone was even tried in a court system?

 

[Czar]

most likely yes


who made this documentary?

 

[Zephyr106]

The US premiere of Afghan Massacre?Convoy of Death was held at American University before a largely student audience. Made by Irish documentary filmmaker Jamie Doran, who was present for the premiere, Afghan Massacre has already been broadcast on national television in Britain, Germany, Australia and Italy, and rights to broadcast it have been sold to networks in a total of 24 countries.

After a rough cut of the film was screened before the European Parliament last year, it became the subject of articles and commentaries in virtually every major newspaper in Europe, prompting demands by human rights organizations and lawyers for an official investigation. In the US, however, the film has been subjected to a near-total blackout by the media and unremitting hostility from the Bush administration, which unsuccessfully pressured the German government to stop its broadcast in that country.

Some 3,000 of them were crammed into private container trucks commandeered by Doshtum?s forces. During a 20-hour drive to the Sheberghan prison, most of these prisoners died from suffocation in the airless containers. Witnesses interviewed in the film described how soldiers fired into the containers when the prisoners screamed for air and water. Others reported seeing blood dripping from the trucks.

Several witnesses recounted that US soldiers were present as the prisoners were loaded into the trucks and also when the container doors were opened at Sheberghan and hundreds of dead bodies spilled out. One soldier said that US troops in charge of the operation told their Afghan allies to ?get rid of them [the bodies] before satellite pictures could be taken.?

World Socialist Web Site

Yeah probably not the most unbiased source but good quotes. This incident is old news- was initially reported, and then immediately swept under the rug because the American public shouldn't hear of such terrible things.

Zephyr

 

[Martin]

I'm not a fan of tirades against "big corporate media", but things like these make me wonder if I should be. I mean, I tend to follow the news a lot and I've never heard of this. Either the documentary or the event.

 

[dahunan]

I know this sounds awful.. BUT I have a hard time feeling any sympathy for members of the Taliban... I don't care how they died as long as someone kills ALL of them.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I know this sounds awful.. BUT I have a hard time feeling any sympathy for members of the Taliban... I don't care how they died as long as someone kills ALL of them.

I'm not against killing the prisoners who rioted and overtook the prison, or againt the killing of Taliban in general. However, prisoners are a different matter. If that documentary is true, the incident cannot just be dismissed as "they are the enemy, so everything goes".

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

Originally posted by: dahunan
I know this sounds awful.. BUT I have a hard time feeling any sympathy for members of the Taliban... I don't care how they died as long as someone kills ALL of them.

I'm not against killing the prisoners who rioted and overtook the prison, or againt the killing of Taliban in general. However, prisoners are a different matter. If that documentary is true, the incident cannot just be dismissed as "they are the enemy, so everything goes".

I know my thoughts up there are against the rules of war...

I have heard about this and there are many free videos of it on the net.

it IS Terribly interesting that the US News Media has NOT televised this.. why not? <<I am afraid to know the answer



Here is the full hour long program in real player format.

 

[maddogchen]

I remember seeing the commericials for this on CBS or NBC or something long time ago. It was for either Dateline or 60 minutes...or something. I don't think it was swept under the rug. I think just not that many americans cared or had sympathy for Taliban prisoners and without ratings or much publicity it died out quickly.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I know this sounds awful.. BUT I have a hard time feeling any sympathy for members of the Taliban... I don't care how they died as long as someone kills ALL of them.

Congratulations dahunan, all you'd need to do is replace 'Taliban' with 'Jew' and you'd be a certified Nazi.

 

[chess9]

Well, my sympathies aren't far from Dahunan's.

On the other hand, they were prisoners and were entitled to the guarantees of the Geneva Convention, rather than death.

Without the rule of law, how would we be different from the Bush Administration? It's one thing to feel the anger, it's quite another to pull the trigger.

-Robert

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: chess9
Well, my sympathies aren't far from Dahunan's.

On the other hand, they were prisoners and were entitled to the guarantees of the Geneva Convention, rather than death.

Without the rule of law, how would we be different from the Bush Administration? It's one thing to feel the anger, it's quite another to pull the trigger.

-Robert

I partially agree with you in that respect. Assuming this documentary is true, we have soldiers doing things worse than what Kerry (supposedly) did in Vietnam - and I'm assuming no one is gonna bring it up unless one of those soldiers run for office. Talk about hypocrisy.

But if the standards set by the Geneva Convention are followed, I can rest easy that we are damn well BEHAVING like the peaceful liberators we claim to be.

Edit: grammar

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: chess9
Well, my sympathies aren't far from Dahunan's.

On the other hand, they were prisoners and were entitled to the guarantees of the Geneva Convention, rather than death.

Without the rule of law, how would we be different from the Bush Administration? It's one thing to feel the anger, it's quite another to pull the trigger.

-Robert

I partially agree with you in that respect. Assuming this documentary is true, we have soldiers doing things worse than what Kerry (supposedly) did in Vietnam - and I'm assuming no one is gonna bring it up unless one of those soldiers run for office. Talk about hypocrisy.

But if the standards set by the Geneva Convention are followed, I can rest easy that we are damn well BEHAVING like the peaceful liberators we claim to be.

Edit: grammar

Kerry should call for these soldiers to be tried for their crimes. That would vindicate him and help his chances in the election.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: chess9
Well, my sympathies aren't far from Dahunan's.

On the other hand, they were prisoners and were entitled to the guarantees of the Geneva Convention, rather than death.

Without the rule of law, how would we be different from the Bush Administration? It's one thing to feel the anger, it's quite another to pull the trigger.

-Robert

I partially agree with you in that respect. Assuming this documentary is true, we have soldiers doing things worse than what Kerry (supposedly) did in Vietnam - and I'm assuming no one is gonna bring it up unless one of those soldiers run for office. Talk about hypocrisy.

But if the standards set by the Geneva Convention are followed, I can rest easy that we are damn well BEHAVING like the peaceful liberators we claim to be.

Edit: grammar

Kerry should call for these soldiers to be tried for their crimes. That would vindicate him and help his chances in the election.

I'm surprised you suggested that idea. Kerry doing so would make him even more a traitor than republicans make him out to be. Kerry didn't present the list of crimes committed in Vietnam to tattle-tale on his fellow soldiers. It was to highlight the cruel actions that were allowed to go on in that country. Likewise, there are even worse actions being allowed in Iraq and once again, they're being swept under the carpet. If Dahunan and Chess9 seriously believe theres no problem with suffocating and shooting defenseless prisoners, I have a hard time understanding why they would think Kerry is any worse.

 

[chess9]

Tallest:

What I meant was that I was emotionally one with Dahunan's feelings. But, I could not support killing prisoners. I still believe in the rule of law.

-Robert

 

[heartsurgeon]

Some 3,000 of them were crammed into private container trucks commandeered by Doshtum?s forces.

Pretty frickin weak argument going on here even if it is true.
One group of Afgans was killing another group of afgans.....that's the story..
the u.s. didn't order it.
the u.s. didn't do it.

but the u.s. is responsible because "we let it happen"...give me a break...this is the bleating wail of the uber-liberal who wants to feel guilty for every bad thing in the world that happens.....

grow up

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I know this sounds awful.. BUT I have a hard time feeling any sympathy for members of the Taliban... I don't care how they died as long as someone kills ALL of them.

agreed. If you are going to have an expose on the brutality of the northern alliance then you should give equal time to the brutality of the taliban. I am not saying what went on was right, but you have to put yourself in those peoples shoes. If they are brutalized by the regime, then when they get the chance, they will act just as brutal. Thats just the mindset and the way of life in that part of the world.

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

Some 3,000 of them were crammed into private container trucks commandeered by Doshtum?s forces.

Pretty frickin weak argument going on here even if it is true.
One group of Afgans was killing another group of afgans.....that's the story..
the u.s. didn't order it.
the u.s. didn't do it.

but the u.s. is responsible because "we let it happen"...give me a break...this is the bleating wail of the uber-liberal who wants to feel guilty for every bad thing in the world that happens.....

grow up

Bwhahahaha calm down. The debate doesn't seem to be about how the Afghans treat each other, its why this hasn't been reported in the US, and why the US admin. fights for it not to be reported here, and in other countries.

Zephyr

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: chess9
Tallest:

What I meant was that I was emotionally one with Dahunan's feelings. But, I could not support killing prisoners. I still believe in the rule of law.

-Robert

gotcha

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: dahunan
I know this sounds awful.. BUT I have a hard time feeling any sympathy for members of the Taliban... I don't care how they died as long as someone kills ALL of them.

Congratulations dahunan, all you'd need to do is replace 'Taliban' with 'Jew' and you'd be a certified Nazi.

Except that the Taliban are not a race that was being wiped out just because they were members of the race, yet members of a brutal, self-appointed government who were guilty of crimes against humanity, in addition to their support of terror organizations. Aside from those points, it's exactly the same as the Nazis.

 

[Steeplerot]

All the troops need to be brought home.
No more blood for oil.
period.
I was supportive of those who got stuck going into this mess Bush/sharon made in the mideast but
not anymore.
murders and oil lackeys
or is it the cheap heroin again?
As soon as people start to wake up I betcha they will start bringing the smack back into the country for a quick profit and to dope the masses.
Again.
Wow die for oil and get your stomach slit open to fill with heroin baggies to send home for those protesters.
god bless ameriKKKa (or else)

 

[BlackJesus03]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: dahunan
I know this sounds awful.. BUT I have a hard time feeling any sympathy for members of the Taliban... I don't care how they died as long as someone kills ALL of them.

Congratulations dahunan, all you'd need to do is replace 'Taliban' with 'Jew' and you'd be a certified Nazi.

Hold the heck on there. I don't think the Jews played quite the same role in history as the Taliban. And I also think that they get what they deserve. I don't care if they sold toilet paper to the taliban or took part in the killings- they are all equally culpable in my view.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Because it's probably blantant Anti American propaganda. I wouldn't be surprised if some terrorist sympathizers weren't involved in this project.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I know this sounds awful.. BUT I have a hard time feeling any sympathy for members of the Taliban... I don't care how they died as long as someone kills ALL of them.

In that case, I really hope you are not one of those who started screaming about how the Iraqi's were treating the american prisoners. Because, you should expect the same treatment for your prisoners as you do to the enemy, right?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Because it's probably blantant Anti American propaganda. I wouldn't be surprised if some terrorist sympathizers weren't involved in this project.

That wouldn't be necessary. There are more than enough non-terrorists in the world pissed off at America to do it...hell, half of them are Americans. But it's irrelevant. If they have the facts straight, then who produced it doesn't matter. What it's purpose is doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is if it's true.