Why isn't MJ legalized already?

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Let's see... can't tax it effectively, too easy for people to grow and use themselves, industrial hemp would hurt big businesses... there's more but the main reason will always be $$$.

The laws of economics would fix this pretty quickly. As soon as there are big growers the cost of marijuana would not be worth the hassle of growing it yourself. Once that happens they could easily tax it.

I'm not sure if weed is any easier than tobacco to grow, although I doubt that it is. The only reason why it's grown (weed) by semi-ordinary people is because it's illegal.

I bet it wouldn't take much longer then 10 years for the gov. to see significant revenue from taxes on MJ after it is turned legal.

MJ(hemp) will grow virtually anywhere, and can be used for many many things other then getting high, 1/2 the reason it was mad illigial was because its useability was a threat to big businesses

Yea, that must be it. It could be used for lots of things so big business shut it down. If you stop and think about that for awhile, you'll realize how stupid that is. If it were a superior product to what was already on the market, business' would have used it to make them money, not try to make it illegal. We can make rope and shoes and stuff out of just about anything...that doesn't mean that we should.

Dupont as well as Dow and a few other big companies lobbied heavily in the 1930 to get Hemp made illigal (1937) because it would have become a direct competitor to them in a few different areas.

 

[skace]

I don't care how often this question is asked, it deserves to be asked continuously until things are changed.

 

[Fritzo]

I thought Spiderman's girl friend was over 18?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Baby boomers aren't dead yet.

 

[mitchel]

Originally posted by: chin311
speaking of 4-20. its my birthday

Must be a fun birthday.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Ns1
It's actually the sole reason I switched to Dem ^_^

You better consider switching to Libertarians then. Legalization of Marijuana is part of the party platform.

I like to pick parties with a chance of winning

They would have a chance of winning if more people switched instead of using the excuse of staying in a party with a chance of winning.

The Republican Party was a third party in the 1860 election so it is not like a third party has not become mainstream before.

times have changed, my friend. get with the status quo or GTFO

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: seemingly random
I've always heard that the drug cartels contribute to political parties/candidates to prevent this very idea.

If legalized and taxed, it would be one way to pay off some of the mountain of debt.

I've always wondered if there would be more or less usage if legalized - if not forbidden, it might lose it's attraction.

well, it would certainly cut down on the senseless violence. there'd still be violence, for sure, but less of it would be senseless

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: skace
I don't care how often this question is asked, it deserves to be asked continuously until things are changed.

:thumbsup:

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Farang
Another source of pressure will be the medical marijuana movement, which has been more successful politically and has a good chance of changing federal law if the right people are in office. Obama, for example, might not take the initiative but if the bill were on his desk he'd sign it. A strong Democratic majority might make that happen (not endorsing anyone just making an observation).

It's actually the sole reason I switched to Dem ^_^

lol you switched to Dems because you think they would vote for legalizing weed?

Most of us Dems would. It's popular to falsely portray Democrats (I'm talking about the members, ie the voters, not the politicians, all politicians are liars and crooks that will do anything for a vote or a buck). You do realize that ALL pot smoking hippies are Democrats, right? How could somebody possibly not realize that?

talk about being naive. I know some hardcore repubs--of the neo-con, "GWBush is my idol" ilk--that are pot-smoking hippies.

 

[Vic]

^^ heh. I know more than a few of those myself.

The reason BTW is the stubborn pride of the drug warriors. It's bad enough to have to admit that you were wrong, it's much worse to have to admit that what you were wrong about ruined the lives of countless (millions!) of people.

 

[IGBT]

..it's dope. it's for dopers.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..it's dope. it's for dopers.

Like alcohol is for alcoholics?

:roll:

I've said it before, I'll say it again... people like you are living proof that you don't have to do drugs to be fscked up in the head.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IGBT
..it's dope. it's for dopers.

Like alcohol is for alcoholics?

:roll:

I've said it before, I'll say it again... people like you are living proof that you don't have to do drugs to be fscked up in the head.

:laugh:

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
times have changed, my friend. get with the status quo or GTFO

Time to stop accepting the status quo or this country will die. Both Dems and Reps are taking this country on a fast track to hell.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Let's see... can't tax it effectively, too easy for people to grow and use themselves, industrial hemp would hurt big businesses... there's more but the main reason will always be $$$.

The laws of economics would fix this pretty quickly. As soon as there are big growers the cost of marijuana would not be worth the hassle of growing it yourself. Once that happens they could easily tax it.

I'm not sure if weed is any easier than tobacco to grow, although I doubt that it is. The only reason why it's grown (weed) by semi-ordinary people is because it's illegal.

I bet it wouldn't take much longer then 10 years for the gov. to see significant revenue from taxes on MJ after it is turned legal.

MJ(hemp) will grow virtually anywhere, and can be used for many many things other then getting high, 1/2 the reason it was mad illigial was because its useability was a threat to big businesses

Yea, that must be it. It could be used for lots of things so big business shut it down. If you stop and think about that for awhile, you'll realize how stupid that is. If it were a superior product to what was already on the market, business' would have used it to make them money, not try to make it illegal. We can make rope and shoes and stuff out of just about anything...that doesn't mean that we should.

Dupont as well as Dow and a few other big companies lobbied heavily in the 1930 to get Hemp made illigal (1937) because it would have become a direct competitor to them in a few different areas.

That is why it is illegal ^^^^^^^^.

No road side test hurts the push today for legalization. The tax revenue would be stunning, each year in the US it is one of the top cash producing crops. Let Uncle Sam grow it, sell it for a HUGE profit, and tax it excessively. No pot head is going to have a problem paying a $50 tax on top of a $100 price for an ounce of kind.

The industrial benefits of hemp, particularily oil suitable for fuel would be another boon to our economy. Grows damn near anywhere and can be cultivated continously in a controlled environment. Force the tobacco companies to grow that instead of tobacco, think of the health care costs that would save. As long as they make as much money, or more, with far less liability they won't complain.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Force the tobacco companies to grow that instead of tobacco, think of the health care costs that would save. As long as they make as much money, or more, with far less liability they won't complain.

Actually, the British NHS commissioned a study to see how much money was being wasted on smokers. Their conclusion was shocking. Smokers are a smaller burden on society than non-smokers because they pay extremely high taxes on cigarettes, and they die a lot sooner than non-smokers.

To put that into perspective, my grandmother is almost 90 years old. She's in and out of the hospital on a weekly basis due to problems with pulmonary edema; that's a condition where your lungs fill with fluid and it becomes difficult to breathe. How many thousands of dollars does that cost? What would the cost be if she died from lung cancer 20 years ago, at the age of 70? What about old age pension as well? Social Security given to old people may not be much, but it sure adds up fast when you collect it from age 65-90 (25 years), and multiply that by several million old people.

Smokers are not the burden. The burden is caused by white women who don't smoke, because they statistically live the longest.

 

[AMDZen]

Its simple really, the stigma that was there which helped it to be illegalized in the first place, is obviously still around. The whole "hip hop" thug life culture that is our current times hasn't helped matters either.

 

[zoiks]

Heh. Look at all the potheads on this thread. Never smoked it and and never will. Hope they ban it for life.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: zoiks
Heh. Look at all the potheads on this thread. Never smoked it and and never will. Hope they ban it for life.

How exactly would it be banned for life? Unless someone genetically engineers a super bug who's sole purpose is to munch on MJ plants, unleashes it perfectly in every corner of the globe, gives it a "super" sense being able to detect the plant miles away, give it teleportation powers to be able to fly through walls of plant growers homes, I think its safe to bet MJ will always be around. No amount of laws will ever change that, nor ignorant people who seem to think they know everything including things they've never experienced.

You sound like a virgin who is adament that sex is no good.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Force the tobacco companies to grow that instead of tobacco, think of the health care costs that would save. As long as they make as much money, or more, with far less liability they won't complain.

Actually, the British NHS commissioned a study to see how much money was being wasted on smokers. Their conclusion was shocking. Smokers are a smaller burden on society than non-smokers because they pay extremely high taxes on cigarettes, and they die a lot sooner than non-smokers.

To put that into perspective, my grandmother is almost 90 years old. She's in and out of the hospital on a weekly basis due to problems with pulmonary edema; that's a condition where your lungs fill with fluid and it becomes difficult to breathe. How many thousands of dollars does that cost? What would the cost be if she died from lung cancer 20 years ago, at the age of 70? What about old age pension as well? Social Security given to old people may not be much, but it sure adds up fast when you collect it from age 65-90 (25 years), and multiply that by several million old people.

Smokers are not the burden. The burden is caused by white women who don't smoke, because they statistically live the longest.

The tax revenue would still there, except it would come from MJ and be much more. With the tax revenue being replaced you only have the health cost of tobacco on society, and it is substantial.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: zoiks
Heh. Look at all the potheads on this thread. Never smoked it and and never will. Hope they ban it for life.

I've known plenty of folks who have never touched it and never will who are for legalization because of simple logic.
And they have banned it for life, smart guy

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Force the tobacco companies to grow that instead of tobacco, think of the health care costs that would save. As long as they make as much money, or more, with far less liability they won't complain.

Actually, the British NHS commissioned a study to see how much money was being wasted on smokers. Their conclusion was shocking. Smokers are a smaller burden on society than non-smokers because they pay extremely high taxes on cigarettes, and they die a lot sooner than non-smokers.

To put that into perspective, my grandmother is almost 90 years old. She's in and out of the hospital on a weekly basis due to problems with pulmonary edema; that's a condition where your lungs fill with fluid and it becomes difficult to breathe. How many thousands of dollars does that cost? What would the cost be if she died from lung cancer 20 years ago, at the age of 70? What about old age pension as well? Social Security given to old people may not be much, but it sure adds up fast when you collect it from age 65-90 (25 years), and multiply that by several million old people.

Smokers are not the burden. The burden is caused by white women who don't smoke, because they statistically live the longest.

I just figured out how we can solve the Social Security crisis! We need to get all the boomers to start smoking!

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: zoiks
Heh. Look at all the potheads on this thread. Never smoked it and and never will. Hope they ban it for life.

I've known plenty of folks who have never touched it and never will who are for legalization because of simple logic.
And they have banned it for life, smart guy

Thanks. I hope it stays banned for life.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: zoiks
Heh. Look at all the potheads on this thread. Never smoked it and and never will. Hope they ban it for life.

How exactly would it be banned for life? Unless someone genetically engineers a super bug who's sole purpose is to munch on MJ plants, unleashes it perfectly in every corner of the globe, gives it a "super" sense being able to detect the plant miles away, give it teleportation powers to be able to fly through walls of plant growers homes, I think its safe to bet MJ will always be around. No amount of laws will ever change that, nor ignorant people who seem to think they know everything including things they've never experienced.

You sound like a virgin who is adament that sex is no good.

Wow. After reading the above, I was going to mention if you were smoking something.

 

[seemingly random]

I don't like green peppers. I hope they're banned from the planet.