Why is there no looting in Japan?

[3chordcharlie]

Japanese 2nd Amendment:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear samurai swords shall not be infringed."

All that's left is the court-battle over whether fully automatic samurai swords with high-capacity magazines are protected...

 

[werepossum]

ANyone that has ever taught pre-school, where you have a mix of races, knows well that the Asian kids are respectable of their teachers. They never act up. Never disobey. Always show respect. And so do the parents. We cannot even understand this in our country. We cannot begin to grasp the concept. Period.

We used to understand this. When I was a child, a spanking at school was almost inevitably followed by a spanking at home; the teacher was assumed to be correct simply by virtue of being the teacher. That was also a time in which people did not commonly lock their doors. People were expected to look out for themselves and theirs, and were therefore more willing to help others because they assumed the same. (Someone asking for food or gas money was assumed to NEED food or gas money rather than to be begging as a lifestyle choice, because anyone who COULD provide for themselves and their families WOULD provide for themselves and their families.)

We Americans have embraced multiculturalism, the entitlement mentality, and conditional morality. I remember arguing in middle school about whether or not it was wrong to steal food if your family was hungry. The teacher was pushing the view that stealing food was not wrong in that situation; I and a couple others argued that it was still wrong. Sometimes you don't have any right choices, merely two or more wrongs, and must choose a lesser wrong (stealing food) rather than a greater wrong (allowing your family or even yourself to starve.) That does not however make the lesser wrong morally right, merely a lesser and necessary wrong.

Japan has retained its Asian emphasis of personal and family honor and morality, as well as the traditional Asian valuing of the larger unit over the smaller. (Family over individual, city/town/village over family, nation over city.) Other Asian cultures retain this to varying degrees; I remember Vietnamese Americans in New Orleans and Mississippi peacefully sorting through the ruins of their homes for those small things that could be salvaged. The Japanese will loot when it becomes necessary to find food and water, but you'll never see significant numbers looting televisions, sneakers, etc.

As far as urban versus rural, Sendai has (had) over a million inhabitants.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Japanese 2nd Amendment:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear samurai swords shall not be infringed."

If they had a second amendment it'd probably ban swords : p

 

[HomerJS]

We used to understand this. When I was a child, a spanking at school was almost inevitably followed by a spanking at home; the teacher was assumed to be correct simply by virtue of being the teacher. That was also a time in which people did not commonly lock their doors. People were expected to look out for themselves and theirs, and were therefore more willing to help others because they assumed the same. (Someone asking for food or gas money was assumed to NEED food or gas money rather than to be begging as a lifestyle choice, because anyone who COULD provide for themselves and their families WOULD provide for themselves and their families.)

We Americans have embraced multiculturalism, the entitlement mentality, and conditional morality. I remember arguing in middle school about whether or not it was wrong to steal food if your family was hungry. The teacher was pushing the view that stealing food was not wrong in that situation; I and a couple others argued that it was still wrong. Sometimes you don't have any right choices, merely two or more wrongs, and must choose a lesser wrong (stealing food) rather than a greater wrong (allowing your family or even yourself to starve.) That does not however make the lesser wrong morally right, merely a lesser and necessary wrong.

Japan has retained its Asian emphasis of personal and family honor and morality, as well as the traditional Asian valuing of the larger unit over the smaller. (Family over individual, city/town/village over family, nation over city.) Other Asian cultures retain this to varying degrees; I remember Vietnamese Americans in New Orleans and Mississippi peacefully sorting through the ruins of their homes for those small things that could be salvaged. The Japanese will loot when it becomes necessary to find food and water, but you'll never see significant numbers looting televisions, sneakers, etc.

As far as urban versus rural, Sendai has (had) over a million inhabitants.

Imagine all that and majority secular. Who woulda thought?

 

[piasabird]

No Democrats live in Japan!

If this was Korea I would say it has its roots in confuscious.

I would not say that the Japanese are perfect or anything, but they have a different way of thinking. While they were often warlike in nature and could be very violent, usually there was quite a bit of loyalty within their culture. I think they worked this out of their system after WWII.

Japan is such a crowded place, that they have to respect each other more.

 

[HomerJS]

"Un"classy.

Did we ask to see your feel good stories?

See my posts above? Reply with EVIDENCES like I did with you. Show us the threads and posts that you accused (lying) me of. Put up or shut the fuck up!!!

You = Unable to do so = Utterly FAIL and a LIAR!!! You fail in life AND fail at da intanet.

See that thread I pwned your black ass hard? Got it? Good. Now go away and stop quoting me ever again, ok?

One more thing (I love it when I am doing this)....we are still waiting for you and your kind to show us the clips or pictures of

Problem is you distinguish looting a TV in sneakers, shorts and a t-shirt from looting in a suit and tie using a computer.

 

[piasabird]

No Alqeada in Japan????

 

[JTsyo]

College students and minorities is what you're saying. Japan like most Asian countries send their kids here for college so they aren't there to riot, and Japan doesn't allow blacks and hispanos to live there.

But they are a nation of minorities. All non-white = minority, right?

 

[JTsyo]

Bull. There many problems with dealing with this disaster. The lack of honest journalism plus a ridiculously idealized image of the Japanese is what's driving statements like that.

Trapped in the radiation zone, and no help in sight

I thought they evacuated the area around the plant.

What percent of Japan is actually in trouble over the earthquake and tsunami? It seems like things should be able to be sorted out in a week. People would be able to live with family elsewhere or be relocated by the government.

 

[jonks]

We used to understand this. When I was a child, a spanking at school was almost inevitably followed by a spanking at home; the teacher was assumed to be correct simply by virtue of being the teacher. That was also a time in which people did not commonly lock their doors. People were expected to look out for themselves and theirs, and were therefore more willing to help others because they assumed the same. (Someone asking for food or gas money was assumed to NEED food or gas money rather than to be begging as a lifestyle choice, because anyone who COULD provide for themselves and their families WOULD provide for themselves and their families.)

We Americans have embraced multiculturalism, the entitlement mentality, and conditional morality.

Ah, the good ole imaginary days when children behaved. SS was created because no one was looking out for the elderly.

There was no looting on 9/11 in NYC, nor on the 2 day blackout several years later. The epicenter of multiculturalism held it together during crises.

 

[classy]

ANyone that has ever taught pre-school, where you have a mix of races, knows well that the Asian kids are respectable of their teachers. They never act up. Never disobey. Always show respect. And so do the parents. We cannot even understand this in our country. We cannot begin to grasp the concept. Period.

LOL what?
Well obviously they must act up, don't always obey, and show respect. Because that asian dude put people down like cows to the slaughter at VA Tech.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071662

The Chinese gangs are best known for trafficking in heroin and opium, but they are in fact as diversified as the biggest multinational conglomerate. Among their other activities are arms smuggling, credit-card fraud, counterfeiting, software piracy, prostitution, gambling, loansharking, white-collar crime, home-invasion robbery, high-tech theft and trafficking in endangered animals and plants.

The triads are also increasingly involved in the smuggling of illegal aliens. U.S. officials estimate that up to 100,000 Chinese are illegally smuggled into the country each year, many of them forced to live in involuntary servitude for years while they work off their debt to the gangsters.

Every culture, race, and color has garbage. Never disobey my fanny, you're are out of fracking mind, dude.

 

[werepossum]

Ah, the good ole imaginary days when children behaved. SS was created because no one was looking out for the elderly.

There was no looting on 9/11 in NYC, nor on the 2 day blackout several years later. The epicenter of multiculturalism held it together during crises.

There actually was looting on 9/11, some of it very well organized. http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=127225 Looting on 9/11 was however extremely limited in part because of restricted opportunity; those carrying televisions on the street could expect to be detained and arrested.

There was a bit of looting during the '03 blackout, but the main reason it wasn't like the '77 blackout is because power died with several hours of daylight left and police mobilized in a large and very visible way to prevent a repeat of the widespread looting in '77. http://www.slate.com/id/2087032/

However, neither of these are really analogous to Japan or to Katrina. In both of these occasions, the disaster was/is so severe and so widespread (across a fifth of the nation and an entire city area) that order broke down completely and police were not able to even attempt to maintain order. In Japan, people are not looting in any significant numbers. In New Orleans, a relatively small but certainly significant percentage of the remaining populace engaged in looting. (Looting here being considered as taking other people's stuff beyond that required for basic shelter and sustenance.) In neither of the New York City incidents mentioned did order break down to the point that looting could be carried out without danger of arrest. Katrina is analogous, 9/11 is not. The '77 blackout would also be less than analogous, but adequately shows what Americans in general and New Yorkers in particular will do given ample illicit rewards and little personal risk.

SS is a bit far afield, but note that not all old people have family to take them in. Also, there is a widespread belief that retired people should have income of their own whether or not they live with family. Therefore SS cannot be attributed directly and wholly to the breakdown in American morals.

As far as the "good old days", no doubt some of that is in our minds. However, over a half century teachers' main concerns have gone from gum chewing in class to they or their students being beaten, stabbed or shot in school. That argues strongly against mental bias.

 

[3chordcharlie]

In New Orleans, a relatively small but certainly significant percentage of the remaining populace engaged in looting. (Looting here being considered as taking other people's stuff beyond that required for basic shelter and sustenance.)

Yeah it really wasn't reported that way, but in that sort of scenario, taking a loaf of bread from a grocery store is hardly 'looting'. Taking a TV definitely is.

 

[werepossum]

Yeah it really wasn't reported that way, but in that sort of scenario, taking a loaf of bread from a grocery store is hardly 'looting'. Taking a TV definitely is.

Agreed, those people taking food were stealing something necessary to survival AND something that would otherwise almost certainly be thrown out. Even non-perishable food is not likely to be sold once it's been submerged in contaminated water and unsecured for weeks. I think hardly anyone would consider taking food or even beer from an abandoned store to be looting in a situation like Katrina. Similarly, I think hardly anyone would consider taking food or drink or even things like blankets from an abandoned or wrecked store or even a home to be looting in a situation like Japan. Taking things needed for sustenance and survival is indeed an order of magnitude away from taking televisions or jewelry.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Agreed, those people taking food were stealing something necessary to survival AND something that would otherwise almost certainly be thrown out. Even non-perishable food is not likely to be sold once it's been submerged in contaminated water and unsecured for weeks. I think hardly anyone would consider taking food or even beer from an abandoned store to be looting in a situation like Katrina. Similarly, I think hardly anyone would consider taking food or drink or even things like blankets from an abandoned or wrecked store or even a home to be looting in a situation like Japan. Taking things needed for sustenance and survival is indeed an order of magnitude away from taking televisions or jewelry.

You have to get the jewlery while it's still under water so it counts as 'sunken treasure'.

Otherwise you're right, it's a no-go

 

[werepossum]

You have to get the jewlery while it's still under water so it counts as 'sunken treasure'.

Otherwise you're right, it's a no-go

That made me laugh out loud!

What? No, this is salvaged sunken treasure, officer!

 

[jonks]

So there is looting in japan?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/03/why-no-looting-in-japan-ctd-3.html

Unfortunately, I can't find any English sources on this, because when I try to search for it I am deluged by a bunch of articles about how there is no looting in Japan. But below I list some Japanese sources and provide brief summaries in English. I also found a YouTube video of a looting in progress (albeit calm looting - the employees just watch as it happens).

(1) Looting

As of the 14th of March, Prefectural Police in Miyagi reported 40 known cases of looting. An earlier article (on the 13th - there were 21 cases of known looting by then) quoted a police officer noting that known looting cases were likely only a tiny fraction of the actual looting. He also warned store owners to watch out and protect themselves.

An article from a different source on the 17th reported at least 146(!) cases of looting, including failed attempts that resulted in an arrest. Some of the looting is food, but also people taking cash and brand name clothing. The article also talks about a man at an evacuation center attempting to molest a little girl.

(2) Hoarding/Stocking Up on Supplies



Here is article about how people in Tokyo hoarding food and gas are causing trouble for people in the real disaster areas up north. Here is another article about government efforts to stop people form hoarding:

(3) Fraud

Here is a report about people fraudulently posing as Tokyo Electric Power employees and visiting homes to trick people into paying for "repairs". Here is more general article about the phenomenon of people doing things like using the earthquake to go to people's homes to scam, saying it was extremely common in the past after natural disasters.

 

[Herr Kutz]

Evidentally the Japanese media doesn't like to report on looting

http://www.jpri.org/publications/occasionalpapers/op2.html

 

[werepossum]

So there is looting in japan?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/03/why-no-looting-in-japan-ctd-3.html

Sounds reasonable. No population is 100% good or bad, no matter how homogeneous.

 

[JS80]

So basically they loot out the back door. Humans are humans.

 

[classy]

So there is looting in japan?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...pan-ctd-3.html


Quote:
Unfortunately, I can't find any English sources on this, because when I try to search for it I am deluged by a bunch of articles about how there is no looting in Japan. But below I list some Japanese sources and provide brief summaries in English. I also found a YouTube video of a looting in progress (albeit calm looting - the employees just watch as it happens).

(1) Looting

As of the 14th of March, Prefectural Police in Miyagi reported 40 known cases of looting. An earlier article (on the 13th - there were 21 cases of known looting by then) quoted a police officer noting that known looting cases were likely only a tiny fraction of the actual looting. He also warned store owners to watch out and protect themselves.

An article from a different source on the 17th reported at least 146(!) cases of looting, including failed attempts that resulted in an arrest. Some of the looting is food, but also people taking cash and brand name clothing. The article also talks about a man at an evacuation center attempting to molest a little girl.

(2) Hoarding/Stocking Up on Supplies



Here is article about how people in Tokyo hoarding food and gas are causing trouble for people in the real disaster areas up north. Here is another article about government efforts to stop people form hoarding:

(3) Fraud

Here is a report about people fraudulently posing as Tokyo Electric Power employees and visiting homes to trick people into paying for "repairs". Here is more general article about the phenomenon of people doing things like using the earthquake to go to people's homes to scam, saying it was extremely common in the past after natural disasters.

NO way this could possibly be true. Complete fabrication. Asians don't loot and the children never misbehave, nor do the parents. 146 cases of looting? Even in a damn 9 magnitude earthquake, 20 feet high tsunami, they still found time to loot. Must be that Tiger Claw training that made them fearless, even in the face of death. I am not even going to touch the rape allegation. But some damn body owes me a fracking apology.

 

[Svnla]

LOL what?
Well obviously they must act up, don't always obey, and show respect. Because that asian dude put people down like cows to the slaughter at VA Tech.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071662



Every culture, race, and color has garbage. Never disobey my fanny, you're are out of fracking mind, dude.

Remember the two black guys that shot and murder innocent people from their vehicle? So cowardly, didn't have the nerve to face the victims face to face.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-11-10/...hington-area-sniper-larry-traylor?_s=PM:CRIME

Some race/culture/color have more garbage than others (number of the people from certain group in prison compare to the racial make up). Don't forget about the Bloods and the Crips and their drive by shootings, drugs enterprise, violent crimes, murders, etc.

On the other hand, I am still waiting for footage/clips/photos of ...(still no taker so far)

...obese Japanese women carried dirty unkept babies with nothing on but soiled diapers while yelling at the top of their lungs "where them guverment at?" or a clip or pictures of Japanese people shot at the rescue helicopters or looting and stealing TV, electronics, guns, alcohol (how was that for survival, eh?)? or how them Japanese people trashed the shelter locations like certain minority group did with the Superdome during Katrina in 2005?

 

[classy]

Remember the two black guys that shot and murder innocent people from their vehicle? So cowardly, didn't have the nerve to face the victims face to face.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-11-10/...hington-area-sniper-larry-traylor?_s=PM:CRIME

Some race/culture/color have more garbage than others. Don't forget about the Bloods and the Crips, homie....word.

Lets talk those looters, lol. You know the honorable ones. The ones us in this culture can't understand. Thats what the thread is about. Looting

PS: Under those circumstances I am okay with stealing what they need to survive. Its not like any of that stuff was going to be useable or sellable after the fact.

 

[Svnla]

Lets talk those looters, lol. You know the honorable ones. The ones us in this culture can't understand. Thats what the thread is about. Looting

PS: Under those circumstances I am okay with stealing what they need to survive. Its not like any of that stuff was going to be useable or sellable after the fact.

You were the one that mentioned the VT shooter and Asian gangs and when I replied in kind about black shooters and black gangs, suddendly...let talk about looters? ROTFLMFAO, you are pathetic and being pwned hard, again.

They took foods and necessities to survive. Did they steal TV/electronic items, beers/wine/guns (things that absolutely not need to consume and live another day) like certain minority group? Again, show us the footage of ... (My goodness, what do I have to do to see some of that footage?).

...obese Japanese women carried dirty unkept babies with nothing on but soiled diapers while yelling at the top of their lungs "where them guverment at?" or a clip or pictures of Japanese people shot at the rescue helicopters or looting and stealing TV, electronics, guns, alcohol (how was that for survival, eh?)? or how them Japanese people trashed the shelter locations like certain minority group did with the Superdome during Katrina in 2005?

 

[classy]

You were the one that mentioned the VT shooter and Asian gangs and when I replied in kind about black shooters and black gangs, suddendly...let talk about looters? ROTFLMFAO, you are pathetic and being pwned hard, again.

They took foods and necessities to survive. Did they steal TV/electronic items, beers/wine/guns (things that absolutely not need to consume and live another day) like certain minority group? Again, show us the footage of ... (My goodness, what do I have to do to see some of that footage?).

Look you got exposed. Just let it go..........and when I mean go, I don't mean for you to go looting.