Why is there no looting in Japan?

[Infohawk]

And you don't seem to understand the idea of using other variables as a vehicle for race. It's not a fanciful concept.

Please don't bring your alt account into this, too. However, I have to acknowledge that I find your choosing to have your alt account be British very amusing.



Again, go back to the science thread where you repeatedly engaged in "intellectual dishonesty."

Can you not be a parrot? It's boring. Try to come up with your own original critiques / insults.

I understand the concept of using other variables as a vehicle for race but it doesn't work. You say I criticize Mexicans. Mexicans aren't even a race. They're a multi-racial country. You say I criticize Muslims. Again, Muslims aren't a race. I've criticized other people for using Arabs as a substitute for Muslims so I'm not out to attack ethnic Arabs, who can be of many religions or even secular.

How was I being intellectually dishonest in the science thread? Anyway, I guess I'll just fully ignore you since you don't want to have an honest debate about anything. There's really no point. Maybe that's what you want though so you don't have to really deal with tough arguments that discredit your bogus positions?

 

[CanOWorms]

Can you not be a parrot? It's boring. Try to come up with your own original critiques / insults.

I don't see any parroting there, but I view it as an appropriate response to your silliness. You have difficulty understanding other argumentative styles or abstractions, so I think that it's helpful to you to use your own style. It facilitates the overall discussion.

I understand the concept of using other variables as a vehicle for race but it doesn't work. You say I criticize Mexicans. Mexicans aren't even a race. They're a multi-racial country. You say I criticize Muslims. Again, Muslims aren't a race. I've criticized other people for using Arabs as a substitute for Muslims so I'm not out to attack ethnic Arabs, who can be of many religions or even secular.

You say that you don't use other variables as a vehicle. I say that you do. You have left a huge pile of posts that lead me to my conclusion.

How was I being intellectually dishonest in the science thread?

You stated false facts all the time and I had to correct you. I specifically pointed them out in that thread.

Anyway, I guess I'll just fully ignore you since you don't want to have an honest debate about anything. There's really no point. Maybe that's what you want though so you don't have to really deal with tough arguments that discredit your bogus positions?

I feel that it's quite silly for you to make such a statement when you're the one fleeing yet again from an argument. I don't find you providing tough arguments or discrediting my "bogus positions" because you never provide any true facts, sources, links, etc. You primarily rely on pure speculation, anecdotal evidence, emotion, and wild statements based upon popular culture.

 

[Infohawk]

You say that you don't use other variables as a vehicle. I say that you do. You have left a huge pile of posts that lead me to my conclusion.

Bullshit. You can only link to one and it actually showed the opposite of what you were trying to prove. You claim you don't want to do research for me but the truth is you already did a search and weren't able to find anything better. But really there's no point discussing it since you're saying that I'm lying about my positions.

You stated false facts all the time and I had to correct you. I specifically pointed them out in that thread.

You don't understand what intellectual dishonesty is. Disagreeing on facts is not intellectual dishonesty. One person can be honestly mistaken about a fact.

You can say that I'm running away from the argument but the truth is I've tried to have an honest debate with you but you're not willing. You just keep saying I'm racist. You don't take my arguments at face value. There is no point! You don't have to agree with what I'm saying but you can't continually misstate my positions if you want to have a real discussion.

 

[CanOWorms]

Bullshit. You can only link to one and it actually showed the opposite of what you were trying to prove. You claim you don't want to do research for me but the truth is you already did a search and weren't able to find anything better. But really there's no point discussing it since you're saying that I'm lying about my positions.

It's quite a feat to be "honestly mistaken" about so many facts all the time. It appears as if you're freaking out and making stuff up in a fit. The science thread is an example of that.

You don't understand what intellectual dishonesty is. Disagreeing on facts is not intellectual dishonesty. One person can be honestly mistaken about a fact.

A fact is different than all or most facts.

You can say that I'm running away from the argument but the truth is I've tried to have an honest debate with you but you're not willing. You just keep saying I'm racist. You don't take my arguments at face value. There is no point! You don't have to agree with what I'm saying but you can't continually misstate my positions if you want to have a real discussion.

You never seem to want to have a real discussion. Everything is about your personal issues. Use this thread as an example. I'm here posting in the thread (about looting and the secondary discussion on poverty statistics), then you jump in because of your personal issues and haven't posted about Japan or looters.

 

[Infohawk]

I'm here posting in the thread (about looting and the secondary discussion on poverty statistics), then you jump in because of your personal issues and haven't posted about Japan or looters.

What is the matter with you? I posted directly on topic directly before you even posted in this thread. http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31397471&postcount=14

Anyway, you're still avoiding the issue. What is the point of responding to your posts if you're just going to lie about what my positions are? Maybe you don't think there is a point? That's fine I'll just ignore you.

 

[CanOWorms]

What is the matter with you? I posted directly on topic directly before you even posted in this thread. http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31397471&postcount=14

Looks like I was wrong about posting in this thread first, but the general concept still stands.

Anyway, you're still avoiding the issue. What is the point of responding to your posts if you're just going to lie about what my positions are? Maybe you don't think there is a point? That's fine I'll just ignore you.

I don't see where I'm lying.

 

[Infohawk]

Looks like I was wrong about posting in this thread first, but the general concept still stands.



I don't see where I'm lying.

Typical bullshit. You claim the general concept still stands even though you have no examples. When you think you have an example, I consistently show you're full of shit, like here. (And btw, if you had read my posts in this thread you would have seen that I was saying race doesn't have a role.)

You're lying because you continually misrepresent my positions. I have clearly stated that I don't think race is important but that culture is. You refuse to accept that. Again, what is the point of discussing anything if you are going to misrepresent my position? Normally, people attack each other's positions if they disagree. You just want to argue against a position I don't believe in. It's bizarre. I have a feeling that you are just going to repeat yourself. Go for it. I'm just going to ignore you. Not out of fear of discussing the issues but out of frustration that you aren't willing to have an honest debate.

 

[CanOWorms]

Typical bullshit. You claim the general concept still stands even though you have no examples. When you think you have an example, I consistently show you're full of shit, like here. (And btw, if you had read my posts in this thread you would have seen that I was saying race doesn't have a role.)

That's bold of you to claim that you have been provided no examples. This thread is still an example of it.

You're lying because you continually misrepresent my positions. I have clearly stated that I don't think race is important but that culture is. You refuse to accept that. Again, what is the point of discussing anything if you are going to misrepresent my position?

You seem to want everyone to think exactly like you.

Let's pretend that you state something such as "Turkish culture is nasty." That's your position. I don't misrepresent that. Even in the Australia situation, my reading of it was quite reasonable. My claiming that you're using culture as a vehicle for racism or bigotry in that statement is my interpretation of your general theme encompassing that position. A lot of your statements and positions lead to a negative view.

 

[Infohawk]

It's amazing you have the gall to claim this thread shows I'm racist when you've already shown that you didn't read it and that I say it's about culture and not race.

Let's pretend that you state something such as "Turkish culture is nasty." That's your position. I don't misrepresent that. Even in the Australia situation, my reading of it was quite reasonable. My claiming that you're using culture as a vehicle for racism or bigotry in that statement is my interpretation of your general theme encompassing that position. A lot of your statements and positions lead to a negative view.

I have, on numerous occasions, told you that your interpretation of my position is wrong. You can say what I believe is wrong but you don't get to tell me what I believe or don't believe. You just like believing that I'm racist so that you can argue against a strawman and discredit my other arguments by saying I'm a racist. So if you want to argue against made up positions that I don't believe, I'm just going to ignore you.

 

[CanOWorms]

It's amazing you have the gall to claim this thread shows I'm racist when you've already shown that you didn't read it and that I say it's about culture and not race.

I didn't say that this thread was an example of your bigotry. I claimed that it's an example of your personal issues.

Thanks for providing another example though!

I have, on numerous occasions, told you that your interpretation of my position is wrong. You can say what I believe is wrong but you don't get to tell me what I believe or don't believe. You just like believing that I'm racist so that you can argue against a strawman and discredit my other arguments by saying I'm a racist. So if you want to argue against made up positions that I don't believe, I'm just going to ignore you.

Does David Duke claiming that he's not a racist mean that he's not a racist?

 

[Infohawk]

I didn't say that this thread was an example of your bigotry. I claimed that it's an example of your personal issues.

Thanks for providing another example though!



Does David Duke claiming that he's not a racist mean that he's not a racist?

You're still claiming that this thread is an example of my personal issues after I owned you by showing that I posted directly on topic before you did? You're ridiculous.

David Duke apparently thinks that racism means you believe in racial supremacy or racial hatred. That's not what the dictionary says racism is.

: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2
: racial prejudice or discrimination

You and Duke both manipulate commonly understood words to mean something they don't. My understanding is that Duke believes in discriminating based on race (by means of segregation). Therefore, he's a racist. Now when he says he doesn't believe in racial supremacy or hatred, I'll take his word for it. There would be no point at claiming he feels he is superior if he denies it. It's more interesting to discuss what we really disagree on, that races need to be separated. He would argue that they do need to be segregated, and I wouldn't.

Now if you can find a post where I say I believe in racial segregation or that race is a primary determinant of characteristics, you would have a decent argument to say I'm racist. But you can't do that because I have repeatedly denied it and argued the opposite.

 

[CanOWorms]

You're still claiming that this thread is an example of my personal issues after I owned you by showing that I posted directly on topic before you did? You're ridiculous.

Yes, it's an example of your personal issues. I'm referring to your post in reply to Karl Agathon.

David Duke apparently thinks that racism means you believe in racial supremacy or racial hatred. That's not what the dictionary says racism is.

Sorry, but there are thousands of dictionaries with inconsistent definitions.

In addition, I find that you set yourself to extra-crazy when you enter a dictionary battle, as previously seen in the genocide thread where you defined genocide extremely narrowly to a version where Europeans could not commit a genocide against non-Europeans. It was one of the strangest things I've ever seen on this forum.

You and Duke both manipulate commonly understood words to mean something they don't. My understanding is that Duke believes in discriminating based on race (by means of segregation). Therefore, he's a racist. Now when he says he doesn't believe in racial supremacy or hatred, I'll take his word for it. There would be no point at claiming he feels he is superior if he denies it. It's more interesting to discuss what we really disagree on, that races need to be separated. He would argue that they do need to be segregated, and I wouldn't.

Now if you can find a post where I say I believe in racial segregation or that race is a primary determinant of characteristics, you would have a decent argument to say I'm racist. But you can't do that because I have repeatedly denied it and argued the opposite.

You claimed that you support white-only immigration and advocated the opportunity to keep races separated in that older post that I referenced.

 

[Infohawk]

You claimed that you support white-only immigration and advocated the opportunity to keep races separated in that older post that I referenced.

Wrong. Not only is your interpretation of that post unreasonable but I am here telling you that's not what I meant. You're still being disingenuous and trying to force positions on me that I don't believe in. Are we done here? (I'm happy to never directly respond to a post of yours again.)

 

[CanOWorms]

Wrong. Not only is your interpretation of that post unreasonable but I am here telling you that's not what I meant. You're still being disingenuous and trying to force positions on me that I don't believe in. Are we done here? (I'm happy to never directly respond to a post of yours again.)

My interpretation is the only reasonable interpretation. There is no fanciful filling-in-the-gaps or ambiguity needing to be resolved in those aspects of the post.

It seems that I've embarrassed you.

 

[Infohawk]

My interpretation is the only reasonable interpretation. There is no fanciful filling-in-the-gaps or ambiguity needing to be resolved in those aspects of the post.

It seems that I've embarrassed you.

So when you attack Europeans that's just a vehicle for your racism against white people right?

 

[CanOWorms]

So when you attack Europeans that's just a vehicle for your racism against white people right?

You can have that viewpoint; I have no desire to demand you to think like me.

However, I would ask how you reconcile that with the fact that I have posted in support of various white European groups (such as Slovenia's Erased, Russia's Meshketian Turks, Turks, etc.). To me, it would suggest that you deny the "whiteness" of those demographics, a very common tactic among white supremacist groups.

 

[Infohawk]

You can have that viewpoint; I have no desire to demand you to think like me.

So you're racist against white people then...

 

[WhipperSnapper]

VDare.com just published this take on it:

Genes, Not "Culture" -- Why the Japanese Don't Loot

 

[Infohawk]

VDare.com just published this take on it:

Genes, Not "Culture" -- Why the Japanese Don't Loot

The problem is they don't have any actual biological explanation of why genes would effect this behavior except that lower IQ means lower violence. The big misunderstanding about IQs is that even if the average Asian were smarter than the average black, there would still be parts of the respective bell curves where blacks would be smarter than asians.

And they try to suggest that because Asian-Americans are still displaying Japanese traits after decades since their arrival, that it must be genes and not culture. I think this shows the power of culture. Culture manifests itself strongly in family units. Japanese seem to have strong family units. Due to slavery and the drug wars, inner city blacks have had their family units decimated. But it's still cultural.

 

[Imdmn04]

Mostly socioeconomical factors.

Japanese people are fairly well off (in terms of education and wealth) compared to the looters in Katrina. It has nothing to do with Asians having better character. If this happened in a poor Asian country like Laos (or even in poorer cities of China), you bet your ass there will be looting.

 

[Sephire]

We need pix of looting. There is no way looting did not happen.

 

[chowderhead]

no pictures but here is an article.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/20/japan-disaster-survivors-lose-trust
There have been instances of looting at supermarkets and liquor stores. Sato had also heard reports about a stabbing and a rape in the town. "In some cases there were houses that were half-destroyed, and people would go in and look for anything they could find to use or to eat," he said.

I hope this hasn't been posted previously.

 

[Sephire]

I see that supplies are scarce so people has to do what they got to do to feed themselves or their kids. Certainly in desperation. Even if you are Japanese.

So there is looting. And there is crime. But no crime wave.

 

[tonygeor]

"I know it but I don't think I should say it..."

:thumbsup:

 

[Vette73]

Does 500k count as looting.

$500,000 gone from tsunami-cracked bank vault

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/20110322/money-stolen-from-tsunami-cracked-bank-vault-110322/