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Why is the US ranked 37th for quality of health care?

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Eeezee

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I don't have anything else to add. Why are we ranked so poorly, and what can be done to improve this ranking?
 
Kill the old people faster so they don't live long enough to complain?

This country lets pharmaceutical corporations manufacture in China and charge us US prices AND if you try to buy from Mexico or Canada or elsewhere then they charge you with a crime
 
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Topic Title: Why is the US ranked 37th for quality of health care?
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One word:

Greed


You don't see the drug companies complaining do you?

You don't see doctors complaining do you?

They are all still driving Escalades at $4 a gallon, it's like 4 cents to them.
 
Okay, two responses regarding pharmaceutical companies raping the American public, which are valid complaints, but nothing regarding quality of care so far. Anyone else care to contribute to the discussion?

I'm curious, do either of you support free market economics? Pharmaceutical companies are doing what any business wants to do in a free market, after all.
 
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Okay, two responses regarding pharmaceutical companies raping the American public, which are valid complaints, but nothing regarding quality of care so far. Anyone else care to contribute to the discussion?

I'm curious, do either of you support free market economics?

Pharmaceutical companies are doing what any business wants to do in a free market, after all.
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You seem to be happy with their version of "free market", then you must be happy the U.S. is 37th and dropping.

Why did you even post the question? 😕
 
Depends on the criteria used to make that determination. Lack of Insurance coverage is likely a big factor, but also Life Expectancy and other Results type data may have affected the ranking as well.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Topic Title: Why is the US ranked 37th for quality of health care?
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One word:

Greed


You don't see the drug companies complaining do you?

You don't see doctors complaining do you?

They are all still driving Escalades at $4 a gallon, it's like 4 cents to them.
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Actually drug companies complain a lot. They have to spend billions of dollars getting drugs approved - and then countries like Canada tell them to sell the products cheaper or they will only honor their patents for a few years ( and causing US prices to be higher to make up the difference).

Doctors have been complaining like crazy over paperwork, insurance, law suits etc. We obviously need tort reform even though socialist hustlers like Obama never push it - or any cause of a health care system problem.

Add to all this a disgustingly indulgent population that ruins its health, millions of illegals sucking of the American taxpayer, a predatory lawyer class and parasitical political class and its amazing the US still provides the best care all around.
 
Originally posted by: Eeezee
I don't have anything else to add. Why are we ranked so poorly, and what can be done to improve this ranking?
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Why do you think? Haven't you seen the newspaper headlines about "40-something million Americans uninsured?" Have you looked at how much you or your employer is paying for your health insurance lately? Have you read articles pointing out that Americans pay more money for the same drugs than people pay in other countries?
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Okay, two responses regarding pharmaceutical companies raping the American public, which are valid complaints, but nothing regarding quality of care so far. Anyone else care to contribute to the discussion?

I'm curious, do either of you support free market economics?

Pharmaceutical companies are doing what any business wants to do in a free market, after all.
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You seem to be happy with their version of "free market", then you must be happy the U.S. is 37th and dropping.

Why did you even post the question? 😕
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No, I'm not happy with the situation. I am pointing out why the situation is the way it is. Where did I say that it was a good situation?
 
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Originally posted by: Eeezee
I don't have anything else to add. Why are we ranked so poorly, and what can be done to improve this ranking?
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Why do you think? Haven't you seen the newspaper headlines about "40-something million Americans uninsured?" Have you looked at how much you or your employer is paying for your health insurance lately? Have you read articles pointing out that Americans pay more money for the same drugs than people pay in other countries?
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I've bolded the part of the question you missed.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Who does the ranking and what criteria are they using?
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Does it matter? Would you be satisfied if we were 10th or 5th? Why aren't we number one?

We're Americans. We strive to be the best at everything we do, and that has worked pretty well. If we're not number one, then we're not trying hard enough.
 
Pharma's spend billions of dollars developing/researching drugs that never make it to market. Thus, the drugs that do make it to market help cover the cost of failed drug development/research. Good or bad, the FDA requires more extensive research and clinical trial testing than do other countries, adding to the high costs of drug development.

The real problem is the bureaucracy needed to manage and administrate the Health Care Insurance system.
 
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Who does the ranking and what criteria are they using?
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Does it matter? Would you be satisfied if we were 10th or 5th? Why aren't we number one?

We're Americans. We strive to be the best at everything we do, and that has worked pretty well. If we're not number one, then we're not trying hard enough.
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Ofcourse the questions matter. Even if we were #1 - the questions would still be relevant.
 
U.S. politicians often crow that the U.S. health-care system is the best in the world. Patients appear to disagree. Earlier this year, the non-profit Commonwealth Fund surveyed 12,000 adults in seven countries, all of which except the U.S. have universal medical coverage. One-third of those surveyed in the U.S. said their national health-care system has to be rebuilt completely, a significantly higher percentage than in any other country surveyed. The U.S. system ranked dead last when patients were asked if only minor changes were needed, and a higher percentage of U.S. respondents -- 30% -- said they had paid more than $1,000 in out-of-pocket medical expenses in the past year.
Quoted from a newsweek article

I would say that consumer dissatisfaction and the high cost of the care are probably the things that drag it down the most?
An free healthcare for non citizens is a big drag on the public system.

(Americans just expect more I think thus the dissatificafion)
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Topic Title: Why is the US ranked 37th for quality of health care?
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One word:

Greed


You don't see the drug companies complaining do you?

You don't see doctors complaining do you?

They are all still driving Escalades at $4 a gallon, it's like 4 cents to them.
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Another word Lawyers...
 
Originally posted by: Eeezee
I don't have anything else to add. Why are we ranked so poorly, and what can be done to improve this ranking?
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What was the source of this information

Always remember almost anything can be manipulated to show what one wants..esp. with any type of stats.

Yes we have a large uninsured population in this country...but do you have any idea what resources are available to the uninsured..may counties in our states have healthplans for free, many physician discount or give away free care

Many of our so called uninsured would rather buy cigs, cellphones, beer, big screen TVs etc...I see plenty of people who are young who feel they have no need for insurance. How about those nice young diabetics who do not take care of themsleves at all....then 10yrs later they have a heart attack, stroke, etc . If you think this would not obscure this types of reports you are naive. This is just one disease where patients are non-compliant. In our country we have lost our sense of personal responsibility and want to blame everyone else. Many of our problems are from wanting what we cant have and we will spend to get it even if we will never be able to afford.


This kind of ranking are for the most part BS
 
If I'm not mistaken, our costs for the healthcare system basically pays for all the health research for the rest of the world. So America is footing the bill for all the technological health advances we have had, while the rest of the world enjoys cheap healthcare at our cost. I could be wrong though.
 
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
If I'm not mistaken, our costs for the healthcare system basically pays for all the health research for the rest of the world. So America is footing the bill for all the technological health advances we have had, while the rest of the world enjoys cheap healthcare at our cost. I could be wrong though.
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You're mistaken.
 
Originally posted by: nealh
Originally posted by: Eeezee
I don't have anything else to add. Why are we ranked so poorly, and what can be done to improve this ranking?
Click to expand...

What was the source of this information

Always remember almost anything can be manipulated to show what one wants..esp. with any type of stats.

Yes we have a large uninsured population in this country...but do you have any idea what resources are available to the uninsured..may counties in our states have healthplans for free, many physician discount or give away free care

Many of our so called uninsured would rather buy cigs, cellphones, beer, big screen TVs etc...I see plenty of people who are young who feel they have no need for insurance. How about those nice young diabetics who do not take care of themsleves at all....then 10yrs later they have a heart attack, stroke, etc . If you think this would not obscure this types of reports you are naive. This is just one disease where patients are non-compliant. In our country we have lost our sense of personal responsibility and want to blame everyone else. Many of our problems are from wanting what we cant have and we will spend to get it even if we will never be able to afford.


This kind of ranking are for the most part BS
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http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

World Health Organization

Can you believe it? We're BELOW Costa Rica!!!


http://www.who.int/whr/2000/me...ntre/press_release/en/
In designing the framework for health system performance, WHO broke new methodological ground, employing a technique not previously used for health systems. It compares each country's system to what the experts estimate to be the upper limit of what can be done with the level of resources available in that country. It also measures what each country's system has accomplished in comparison with those of other countries.

WHO's assessment system was based on five indicators: overall level of population health; health inequalities (or disparities) within the population; overall level of health system responsiveness (a combination of patient satisfaction and how well the system acts); distribution of responsiveness within the population (how well people of varying economic status find that they are served by the health system); and the distribution of the health system's financial burden within the population (who pays the costs).

"We have created a new tool to help us measure performance," says Dr Murray. "As we develop it further and strengthen the raw data used for these measures in the years to come, we believe this will be an increasingly useful tool for governments in improving their own health systems."

Other findings in the annual WHO report include:

* In Europe, health systems in Mediterranean countries such as France, Italy and Spain are rated higher than others in the continent. Norway is the highest Scandinavian nation, at 11th .
* Colombia, Chile, Costa Rica and Cuba are rated highest among the Latin American nations ? 22nd, 33rd, 36th and 39th in the world, respectively.
* Singapore is ranked 6th , the only Asian country apart from Japan in the top 10 countries.
* In the Pacific, Australia ranks 32 nd overall, while New Zealand is 41st .
* In the Middle East and North Africa, many countries rank highly: Oman is in 8 th place overall, Saudi Arabia is ranked 26th , United Arab Emirates 27th and Morocco, 29th.



I stand by my belief that lawyers and lobbyists are destroying this country. The well funded lobbyist is the strongest force is this country. Insurance companies can just pay lobbyists and they can do whatever they want. They can also just pay off the politicians themselves
 
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