Why is the US military budget like 350 billion dollars ?

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Spoooon

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Originally posted by: gopunk
man social security pisses me off so much.... my paycheck gets raped, and i'll never see any :( :|

You don't know that for sure. I already have enough credits for disability, etc. Besides, if you have enough kids they'll pay for your retirement. ;)
 

MinorityReport

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US GDP is $10,000 billion.

$350 billion is 3.5% of GDP.

Very less ... almost miniscule ..


For ensuring a $10 trillion GDP every year, a $3.5 billion investment is worth while.

Price for freedom is high. However price for maintaining that freedom is even higher.

Now its a different ball park on whether $350 billion is spent efficiently.




 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: Spoooon
Originally posted by: gopunk
man social security pisses me off so much.... my paycheck gets raped, and i'll never see any :( :|

You don't know that for sure. I already have enough credits for disability, etc. Besides, if you have enough kids they'll pay for your retirement. ;)

you're right, that is just what i hear. regardless though, i would rather be responsible for my own retirement, and not have to pay for someone else's.
 

glenn1

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We could eradicate poverty in this country.

I'm sure those living in true poverty in places like North Korea, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Somalia, and Haiti would have a good laugh about you talking about "poverty" in the US. That is, they'd have a good laugh after the onrushing mob of thousands of starving people killed you for the nutritional value of your birkenstocks. Leather uppers are a rare treat for those whose would consider tree bark a feast, and in countries where the Gross Domestic Product is less than what a "poor" person here in the US spends on fast food in month.
 

HombrePequeno

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Originally posted by: morkinva
Originally posted by: glenn1
Thats billion with a b - each year. This is where your tax dollars are going. An amount of money that is really quite incomprehensible. It dwarfs amounts spent on welfare, education and healthcare. We could eradicate poverty in this country.
You need to lay off the crack pipe. Defense spendin hardly "dwarfs" other spending, particularly healthcare spending. 2003 Federal budget chart And as for "eradicating poverty in this country," i guess you slept through, ohhhh, the last 40 or so years of our country's history, and the "war on poverty" ?

or maybe <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.monitor.net/~1mt/taxes.html" target=blank>this</a> is more accurate.

That doesn't really add up right. It only adds up to $767 billion. The budget is a lot bigger than that. Not to mention this little part:

NOTE: The "Social Security & Medicare" funding in this graph refers to administrative costs associated with these programs, and does not reflect actual benefits paid out.

Shouldn't it include what we're paying for?
 

habib89

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the bad guys: hey.. see that country over there? it's so great.. no poverty.. totally educated, and they have great healthcare.. but the best of all, they have NO army!!! let's take our boards with nails in them to take them over!!

us: OH CRAP!!! HERE COME BAD GUYS WITH BOARDS!! EVERYONE, BLOW YOUR WHISTLES!!!!
 

Dudd

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Originally posted by: habib89
the bad guys: hey.. see that country over there? it's so great.. no poverty.. totally educated, and they have great healthcare.. but the best of all, they have NO army!!! let's take our boards with nails in them to take them over!!

us: OH CRAP!!! HERE COME BAD GUYS WITH BOARDS!! EVERYONE, BLOW YOUR WHISTLES!!!!

<Simpsons>
Their superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!
</Simpsons>
 

Hagau

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Morkinva,

I'm betting you that last year around this time...close to 9/11, you weren't thinking "geez, why the heck is our gov't spending so dang much on military?!". You were probably thinking about how our military and intelligence agencies could counter and protect our nation from more terrorist activities and what not.

It's pretty sad how people like yourself can forget the reasons why we're sticking to our guns about trying to rid the world of potential dangers to our nation in just one measly year.

You say how stupid of us?...speak for yourself. Don't go calling a collective people stupid if you don't have the backing for what you say. As much as our governtment is doing, I'm not saying it's perfect, 'cause we all know everything has it's fallacies, but come on! Have some faith in your own gov't.

 

EXman

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Thats billion with a b - each year

No kidding 350 million wouldn't buy an aircraft carrier plus all the 14 million dollar planes on it.

When your on top it takes alot to stay there.
 

JellyBaby

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Price for freedom is high. However price for maintaining that freedom is even higher.
So if I move into a $1 million per month condo, should I just proclaim the price of housing is high and live with it?

The federal government is mandated by the Constitiution to defend the nation. So in general terms defense spending is fine. However, the feds also attempt to fund just about everything else under the sun. That's not fine.

To appease democrats, republicans allow them to get away with social pork programs. To appease Rs, Ds allow military/corporate welfare. It's a system that can only sustain itself if our GDP continues to rise at or greater than their ability to spend.

The adverse side-effects are numerous: inability to fund all programs, general inflation because the feds often simply print more money to cover this crap, increasing federal debt and increasing taxation to name a few.

We're on track to bankrupt both the economy and the budget. Constant war will do that. Ask the former Soviet Union.
 

SuperTool

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It's having to do with out politicians not feeling any pressure or obligation to balance the budget. We are living on credit beyond our means.
I think there should be a 10% cut across the board in all government programs.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: JellyBaby
The federal government is mandated by the Constitiution to defend the nation. So in general terms defense spending is fine. However, the feds also attempt to fund just about everything else under the sun. That's not fine.
I could not agree more.

The adverse side-effects are numerous: inability to fund all programs, general inflation because the feds often simply print more money to cover this crap, increasing federal debt and increasing taxation to name a few.

We're on track to bankrupt both the economy and the budget. Constant war will do that. Ask the former Soviet Union.

Current debt to gdp ratio is less than it was during the cold war.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's having to do with out politicians not feeling any pressure or obligation to balance the budget. We are living on credit beyond our means.
I think there should be a 10% cut across the board in all government programs.

More like 15% or 20%, but you gotta start somewhere.
 

tm37

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: wQuay
Why is the US military budget like 350 billion dollars ?

Nothing is more fun than spending someone else's money.

But at least the defense budget is unquestionably constitutional spending.


Exactly the constitution is pretty clear and nowhere does it make mention of federal subsidies to farmers or to pay for your retirement or even your health care in the future.

the 336 billion in discretionary spending for defence pails in comparision to the 456 billion in Social Security and add that to the 364 billion for Medicare and medicaid. and there is also a 386 discretionary NON-MIlitary line. The federal governement's job is to protect us from forien enemies and very little else and yet out of a outlay of OVER 2 Trillion we are spending ONLY 336 billion on Defence.

Yes the military does have some waste buit the majority is due to the laws that force the military to buy from certain "groups" for products. IE if it is a veteran owned company they can get the supply contract even if their price is MUCH HIGHER:Q Minorities also get a benifit and do not face the same type of compition they would in the private sector. Those 500 dollar toliet seats are rare un today;s military and the higher costs for supplies are atributed to the guidline from whom we can purchase from and the requirements that are put on the vendors when they supply the government.

While you may be appaulled at the amout that is spent think about this.

COuld you get in your car and feel generally confidant that you could drive say 200 miles without the threat of bandits raiding you and taking your car and killing you? Before 9/11 did you worry about an attack on your home town? When entering a pizza hut is the threat of that building blowing up while you await your meat lovers supreme a REAL THREAT and something that goes into your cusiune choice for the evening? MOre that likely not. Yet in many parts of the world these are just some of the small problems that people deal with day in and day out. You enjoy the security that the military provides and then want to haggle on the price?

The truely poor in this world would sell their first born to have the luxury that our poorest citizens enjoy. ANd many risk there lives for an opportunity to live illegally here. Social programs don't work for the most part and are a drain on our socity while the military provides a real value in allowing you sleep with out the fear of a plane dropping a bomb on your suburban home with it's white picket fence while you are sleeping.
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: morkinva
Thats billion with a b - each year. This is where your tax dollars are going. An amount of money that is really quite incomprehensible. It dwarfs amounts spent on welfare, education and healthcare. We could eradicate poverty in this country. We could do so much more -- how stupid of us. :eek:


Well, based on the US having roughly 250 million people, that means we spend about 1400 per person on defense.
I think I'm worth 1,400 bucks. I pay a LOT more than that a year in taxes.
 

brtspears2

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Price for freedom is high. However price for maintaining that freedom is even higher.

$350 billion doesn't sound like too much when you are talking about 10,000 trillion.... The cost of defeat hurts more than the cost of prevention. As much as some people here like to walk around having their shorts around their ankles, I don't.

Money isn't the most expensive part of war. Blood is. Dying for freedom and protecting the world agaisnt evil is priceless.
 

brtspears2

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: morkinva
Thats billion with a b - each year. This is where your tax dollars are going. An amount of money that is really quite incomprehensible. It dwarfs amounts spent on welfare, education and healthcare. We could eradicate poverty in this country. We could do so much more -- how stupid of us. :eek:


Well, based on the US having roughly 250 million people, that means we spend about 1400 per person on defense.
I think I'm worth 1,400 bucks. I pay a LOT more than that a year in taxes.

Wow, $1,400 per person. To think, some of us spend more on computers and entertainment.
 

ElFenix

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the stupid thing about social security is that it takes money and redistributes it, based on age, to the wealthiest portion of the population.
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: morkinva
Thats billion with a b - each year. This is where your tax dollars are going. An amount of money that is really quite incomprehensible. It dwarfs amounts spent on welfare, education and healthcare. We could eradicate poverty in this country. We could do so much more -- how stupid of us. :eek:

from glenn1's chart, it looks as though same amount is spent on medicaid and medicare as on military.
 

tm37

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
the stupid thing about social security is that it takes money and redistributes it, based on age, to the wealthiest portion of the population.


Social security is one of the biggest fruads and the worst programs in the US today.
 

Cfour

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Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: morkinva
Thats billion with a b - each year. This is where your tax dollars are going. An amount of money that is really quite incomprehensible. It dwarfs amounts spent on welfare, education and healthcare. We could eradicate poverty in this country. We could do so much more -- how stupid of us. :eek:

Did you not notice the ass-kicking we delivered in response to 3,000 of our civilians being killed?

We would be truly stupid if we were unwilling, or unable, to defend ourselves.

Pull your head out & see the real world, that money is well spent.

Viper GTS

Well said man, well said.
 

jahawkin

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I think the point that most are missing here is that defense is by far the largest government expenditure. Yes, social security may have a larger number in the budget, but keep in mind that for every social security dollar spent, there is, in theory, a social security dollar taxed to cover that expenditure. I think some people are misleading when they say defense isn't the largest government expense.