Why is no one yelling "Impeach Obama!"

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Socio

Remember this Obama speech tidbit?

Video

But this year, Obama voted against cutting $23 billion in federal programs rated ineffective by the Office of Management and Budget.

Now anyone listen to the part Obama?s budget speech where he is going to great lengths to cut out wasteful spending and going to go page by page in his budget?

PRESIDENT OBAMA DELIVERS REMARKS ON HIS F.Y. 2010 BUDGET REQUEST

And that's why on Monday I held a fiscal summit to come up with a plan to put us on a more sustainable path. And that is why, as we develop a full budget that will come out this spring, we're going to go through our books, page by page, line by line, to eliminate waste and inefficiency.

This is a process that will take some time, but in the last 30 days alone we have already identified $2 trillion in deficit reductions that will help us cut our deficit in half by the end of my first term.

For example, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack is saving nearly $20 million with reforms to modernize programs and streamline bureaucracy.

Interior Secretary Salazar will save nearly $200 million by stopping wasteful payments to clean up abandoned coal mines that just happen to have already been cleaned up.


Education Secretary Duncan is set to save tens of millions of dollars more by cutting an ineffective mentoring program for students, a program whose mission is being carried out by a hundred other programs in 13 other agencies.

We've targeted almost $50 billion in savings by cracking down on overpayments of benefits and tax loopholes. That is money going to businesses and people to which they are simply not entitled.

This is just the beginning of the cuts we're going to make. No part of my budget will be free from scrutiny or untouched by reform

I can believe that man has the unmitigated gall so say that after he signed off on a stimulus bill loaded with more unnecessary spending than any other bill in history. Then has the nerve to submit a budget in which there are some 9,000 pet projects loaded in to it and at least one is his! (Oh and since he got caught they are going to edit his name out and attribute it to someone else.)

Hell, we did not need over half of that stimulus package, nor do we need most of that gargantuan budget particularly with our current economic crisis. Any kind of responsible leader of a nation in the situation we are in would be doing everything humanly possible to cut spending to a bare minimum; he is doing the exact opposite.

He is obviously not in it for the people or the country he is really just a smooth talking two faced lobbyist ***** like Biden, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest! He with the help of the democrat controlled congress are raping America?s future and selling the proceeds to the highest bidder.


I think he needs to be impeached because of this, am I wrong?

Look up the proverb about beams and splinters in the eye.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: EXman
Bush Trashed it yes.

yes and we are now paying big time to clean it up, 8 yrs of trashed economics require 8 yrs of recovery and tons of money.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: sandorski
Where were your calls for Impeachment when Bush Lied his way into Iraq?

And condoned unmitigated torture colonies.

still better than trying to give these terrorist rights.

did you want to give them a fruit basket?

You fail because the premise you put forward is that everyone is a terrorist. Now what did those Chinese do that warranted being in gitmo? Oh yeah, the Chinese didn't like them. Those warm friendly promotors of human rights :roll:

Better to torture the innocent than give them the right to be found worthy of punishment. Bush said it, you believed it, and that settles it. Bizarre religion that is.

My premise is common sense. you don't blow sunshine up a terrorist ass to get him to talk. you don't buy him cookies and you do not give him rights that are denied to victoms.

Bush = semi smart president Believed in immeadiate action even if it makes no sense (similar to BHO and the fraudulent porkulous bill) than doing what is best for Americas interest. Leading the U.S. in a bad direction.

Obama = Brilliant mind that cares more about transposing his ideals of America on America than doing what in Americas best interest. Leading the U.S. citizens to voluntarily give up rights for more government $13 handouts to them.

You "FAIL" because "fail" is getting old tierd and types that stick up for terrorists were the same darn type first yelling why didn't we stop 9/11 in the first place.
You have no clue what I'm saying. I'm not a Bush Supporter and thinking that I am is were you "FAIL." It makes you think something that I'm not and you go down the wrong road. If you'd like to compartmentalize people and just group people into narrow cross sections of America, you cannot see the forrest through the trees.

If you'd get off the Bush blame express and start working the problem then maybe at least you can be productive and stop sounding like some tired old partisan hack.

Bizarre religion that is.

example of a tired old partisan hack attack.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: EXmanMy premise is common sense.

common sense says you should be shot and killed, why are you still here?

common sense = groundless

Obama economic deficit spending = keynesian theory = grounded.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: sandorski
Where were your calls for Impeachment when Bush Lied his way into Iraq?

And condoned unmitigated torture colonies.

still better than trying to give these terrorist rights.

did you want to give them a fruit basket?

You fail because the premise you put forward is that everyone is a terrorist. Now what did those Chinese do that warranted being in gitmo? Oh yeah, the Chinese didn't like them. Those warm friendly promotors of human rights :roll:

Better to torture the innocent than give them the right to be found worthy of punishment. Bush said it, you believed it, and that settles it. Bizarre religion that is.

My premise is common sense. you don't blow sunshine up a terrorist ass to get him to talk. you don't buy him cookies and you do not give him rights that are denied to victoms.

Bush = semi smart president Believed in immeadiate action even if it makes no sense (similar to BHO and the fraudulent porkulous bill) than doing what is best for Americas interest. Leading the U.S. in a bad direction.

Obama = Brilliant mind that cares more about transposing his ideals of America on America than doing what in Americas best interest. Leading the U.S. citizens to voluntarily give up rights for more government $13 handouts to them.

You "FAIL" because "fail" is getting old tierd and types that stick up for terrorists were the same darn type first yelling why didn't we stop 9/11 in the first place.
You have no clue what I'm saying. I'm not a Bush Supporter and thinking that I am is were you "FAIL." It makes you think something that I'm not and you go down the wrong road. If you'd like to compartmentalize people and just group people into narrow cross sections of America, you cannot see the forrest through the trees.

If you'd get off the Bush blame express and start working the problem then maybe at least you can be productive and stop sounding like some tired old partisan hack.

Bizarre religion that is.

example of a tired old partisan hack attack.

You didn't address my response at all. I don't care if it's Bush or Obama or your leg humping dog.

You use the word "terrorist" without knowing or apparently caring if it's true. Now how were those imprisoned Chinese terrorists? Well, because everyone accused is guilty. They are terrorists because of the virtue of being imprisoned. Frankly that's what Bush promoted, and whether you think him a saint or sinner, you follow the same line of "logic".

Your attitude suggests that everyone is a terrorist until proven innocent, and by heavens we won't allow the latter to be a possibility.

It isn't about punishing the guilty, it's about the insistence that everyone is guilty and therefore a "terrorist". That's Nazi thinking, screw Godwins law.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Socio

Remember this Obama speech tidbit?

Video

But this year, Obama voted against cutting $23 billion in federal programs rated ineffective by the Office of Management and Budget.

Now anyone listen to the part Obama?s budget speech where he is going to great lengths to cut out wasteful spending and going to go page by page in his budget?

PRESIDENT OBAMA DELIVERS REMARKS ON HIS F.Y. 2010 BUDGET REQUEST

And that's why on Monday I held a fiscal summit to come up with a plan to put us on a more sustainable path. And that is why, as we develop a full budget that will come out this spring, we're going to go through our books, page by page, line by line, to eliminate waste and inefficiency.

This is a process that will take some time, but in the last 30 days alone we have already identified $2 trillion in deficit reductions that will help us cut our deficit in half by the end of my first term.

For example, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack is saving nearly $20 million with reforms to modernize programs and streamline bureaucracy.

Interior Secretary Salazar will save nearly $200 million by stopping wasteful payments to clean up abandoned coal mines that just happen to have already been cleaned up.


Education Secretary Duncan is set to save tens of millions of dollars more by cutting an ineffective mentoring program for students, a program whose mission is being carried out by a hundred other programs in 13 other agencies.

We've targeted almost $50 billion in savings by cracking down on overpayments of benefits and tax loopholes. That is money going to businesses and people to which they are simply not entitled.

This is just the beginning of the cuts we're going to make. No part of my budget will be free from scrutiny or untouched by reform

I can believe that man has the unmitigated gall so say that after he signed off on a stimulus bill loaded with more unnecessary spending than any other bill in history. Then has the nerve to submit a budget in which there are some 9,000 pet projects loaded in to it and at least one is his! (Oh and since he got caught they are going to edit his name out and attribute it to someone else.)

Hell, we did not need over half of that stimulus package, nor do we need most of that gargantuan budget particularly with our current economic crisis. Any kind of responsible leader of a nation in the situation we are in would be doing everything humanly possible to cut spending to a bare minimum; he is doing the exact opposite.

He is obviously not in it for the people or the country he is really just a smooth talking two faced lobbyist ***** like Biden, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest! He with the help of the democrat controlled congress are raping America?s future and selling the proceeds to the highest bidder.


I think he needs to be impeached because of this, am I wrong?

Look stormfront boy, we get it already, you don't like him because he's not germanic, you don't have to write long posts to say that, just come out and say it, what are you, chicken...

Pathetic little nazi boy, join the RAF, we always need moving targets for practice.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: sandorski
Where were your calls for Impeachment when Bush Lied his way into Iraq?

And condoned unmitigated torture colonies.

still better than trying to give these terrorist rights.

did you want to give them a fruit basket?

You fail because the premise you put forward is that everyone is a terrorist. Now what did those Chinese do that warranted being in gitmo? Oh yeah, the Chinese didn't like them. Those warm friendly promotors of human rights :roll:

Better to torture the innocent than give them the right to be found worthy of punishment. Bush said it, you believed it, and that settles it. Bizarre religion that is.

My premise is common sense. you don't blow sunshine up a terrorist ass to get him to talk. you don't buy him cookies and you do not give him rights that are denied to victoms.

Bush = semi smart president Believed in immeadiate action even if it makes no sense (similar to BHO and the fraudulent porkulous bill) than doing what is best for Americas interest. Leading the U.S. in a bad direction.

Obama = Brilliant mind that cares more about transposing his ideals of America on America than doing what in Americas best interest. Leading the U.S. citizens to voluntarily give up rights for more government $13 handouts to them.

You "FAIL" because "fail" is getting old tierd and types that stick up for terrorists were the same darn type first yelling why didn't we stop 9/11 in the first place.
You have no clue what I'm saying. I'm not a Bush Supporter and thinking that I am is were you "FAIL." It makes you think something that I'm not and you go down the wrong road. If you'd like to compartmentalize people and just group people into narrow cross sections of America, you cannot see the forrest through the trees.

If you'd get off the Bush blame express and start working the problem then maybe at least you can be productive and stop sounding like some tired old partisan hack.

Bizarre religion that is.

example of a tired old partisan hack attack.

You didn't address my response at all. I don't care if it's Bush or Obama or your leg humping dog.

You use the word "terrorist" without knowing or apparently caring if it's true. Now how were those imprisoned Chinese terrorists? Well, because everyone accused is guilty. They are terrorists because of the virtue of being imprisoned. Frankly that's what Bush promoted, and whether you think him a saint or sinner, you follow the same line of "logic".

Your attitude suggests that everyone is a terrorist until proven innocent, and by heavens we won't allow the latter to be a possibility.

It isn't about punishing the guilty, it's about the insistence that everyone is guilty and therefore a "terrorist". That's Nazi thinking, screw Godwins law.

I got to the same conclusion even though i hadn't read your answer.

great minds think alike i guess.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: quest55720
When he bankrupts the country and the dollar collapse then we will hear calls to impeach him. His record spending is going to kill this country. I can only hope a few democratic senators come to their senses and help the republicans filibuster the record spending.

It's creepy how many Republicans seem to support arresting people for future (thought) crime.

Furthermore, it's astounding how many Republicans don't even know what an impeachable offense is. "He's a bad president, impeach him!" Sorry, not good enough; no matter how bad you think he is, he has done nothing illegal (unlike Bush)

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Because republicans and conservatives are reasonable people.

Dude you owe me a new monitor. LMFAO The Republican base is totally unflexible and has no grasp on reality.

So because you can't keep your mouth shut, I owe you a monitor. What are you going to do, call up Obama and tell him to tax me more? Who doesn't have a grasp on reality again? Republican base has 20x the grasp on reality that you have. Republicans would say "shoot I just ruined my monitor, I better go get another job so I can buy one." The democrats would say "hey government, I ruined my monitor, but it's not my fault! I deserve a monitor! this is america! tax the big evil rich people and buy me a new monitor!" and then would elect someone like Obama and he would do it for them.

You made his point in an excellent matter, congratulations.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: sandorski
Where were your calls for Impeachment when Bush Lied his way into Iraq?

And condoned unmitigated torture colonies.

still better than trying to give these terrorist rights.

did you want to give them a fruit basket?

You fail because the premise you put forward is that everyone is a terrorist. Now what did those Chinese do that warranted being in gitmo? Oh yeah, the Chinese didn't like them. Those warm friendly promotors of human rights :roll:

Better to torture the innocent than give them the right to be found worthy of punishment. Bush said it, you believed it, and that settles it. Bizarre religion that is.

My premise is common sense. you don't blow sunshine up a terrorist ass to get him to talk. you don't buy him cookies and you do not give him rights that are denied to victoms.

Bush = semi smart president Believed in immeadiate action even if it makes no sense (similar to BHO and the fraudulent porkulous bill) than doing what is best for Americas interest. Leading the U.S. in a bad direction.

Obama = Brilliant mind that cares more about transposing his ideals of America on America than doing what in Americas best interest. Leading the U.S. citizens to voluntarily give up rights for more government $13 handouts to them.

You "FAIL" because "fail" is getting old tierd and types that stick up for terrorists were the same darn type first yelling why didn't we stop 9/11 in the first place.
You have no clue what I'm saying. I'm not a Bush Supporter and thinking that I am is were you "FAIL." It makes you think something that I'm not and you go down the wrong road. If you'd like to compartmentalize people and just group people into narrow cross sections of America, you cannot see the forrest through the trees.

If you'd get off the Bush blame express and start working the problem then maybe at least you can be productive and stop sounding like some tired old partisan hack.

Bizarre religion that is.

example of a tired old partisan hack attack.

You didn't address my response at all. I don't care if it's Bush or Obama or your leg humping dog.

You use the word "terrorist" without knowing or apparently caring if it's true. Now how were those imprisoned Chinese terrorists? Well, because everyone accused is guilty. They are terrorists because of the virtue of being imprisoned. Frankly that's what Bush promoted, and whether you think him a saint or sinner, you follow the same line of "logic".

Your attitude suggests that everyone is a terrorist until proven innocent, and by heavens we won't allow the latter to be a possibility.

It isn't about punishing the guilty, it's about the insistence that everyone is guilty and therefore a "terrorist". That's Nazi thinking, screw Godwins law.

You can keep the dog to your own leg thanks and your premise. So you think many people are down in gitmo for shit in giggles? So we should be nice to all of them? I don't have a problem with waterboarding. And I'm not big on people caught red handed getting a pass just because someone in their company might be innocent. Don't say that people were not caught red handed either. I had two cousins that saw that crap 1st hand. These are not girlscouts. Not by a long shot. They are Killers. Many of them Killers of our American forces. Is there a innocent person in there? Probably less of a percentage than in our Nations prisons. Should we let all of them out? Probably not.

That is my opinion. I'm entitled to it.

Don't bring up Nazis. That is another "fail."

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Furthermore, it's astounding how many Republicans don't even know what an impeachable offense is.

It's called losing the popularity contest. Ask Clinton.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: MooseNSquirrel

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: spidey07
Because no crimes have been committed, that's why. I surely don't like him or what he's doing but there is absolutely zero grounds for such calls.

Lies, deceit and manipulation are not impeachable offenses unless you're under oath. That's called politics.

Are you kidding me?

He is spending circles around Bush and most of what Bush spent is on his hands and the hands of the democrat congress too and these same people are now doing far worse.

The magnitude of irresponsibility he is showing by trying to force a massive healthcare package that will cost well more than a half a trillion dollars at a time when this country is on the verge of economical collapse is unbelievably egregious.

At a time when he should be forcing people off the government tit he is augmenting welfare to allow more on and on easier, forking out unprecedented amount of money in useless bail outs, thus rewarding our countries failures hand over fist while punishing the winners.

The direction he is taking us in we will not survive, he is adding weight to our already dragging anchor as fast as he can.

The only way this country is going to endure is with him and his cronies removed from office and a sink or swim, survival of the fittest type of reform put in place.

Either way the massive dead weight in this country is a goner, we just have to decide if we all go down with them like Obama is laying the ground work or we cut them loose and swim.

Cost of 8 years of Bush 2: 12 trillion

2008 deficit: 1.2 trillion

Republican promised cost of Iraq war: 60 billion

Actual estimated (conservatively): 3 trillion

And then some people wonder why the current criticisms coming from Republicans seem a tad, oh I don't know...

S&M

Hmm Democrats on the hill balked and screamed bloody murder about Bush's last budget...

Obamas dwarfs it.

first few weeks into BHO coughs up 1.5 trillion

If this is a Pissing contest about who will spend more I'll take Obama. He's off to a great start lining his buddies pockets just like Bush. More of the same...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: sandorski
Where were your calls for Impeachment when Bush Lied his way into Iraq?

And condoned unmitigated torture colonies.

still better than trying to give these terrorist rights.

did you want to give them a fruit basket?

You fail because the premise you put forward is that everyone is a terrorist. Now what did those Chinese do that warranted being in gitmo? Oh yeah, the Chinese didn't like them. Those warm friendly promotors of human rights :roll:

Better to torture the innocent than give them the right to be found worthy of punishment. Bush said it, you believed it, and that settles it. Bizarre religion that is.

My premise is common sense. you don't blow sunshine up a terrorist ass to get him to talk. you don't buy him cookies and you do not give him rights that are denied to victoms.

Bush = semi smart president Believed in immeadiate action even if it makes no sense (similar to BHO and the fraudulent porkulous bill) than doing what is best for Americas interest. Leading the U.S. in a bad direction.

Obama = Brilliant mind that cares more about transposing his ideals of America on America than doing what in Americas best interest. Leading the U.S. citizens to voluntarily give up rights for more government $13 handouts to them.

You "FAIL" because "fail" is getting old tierd and types that stick up for terrorists were the same darn type first yelling why didn't we stop 9/11 in the first place.
You have no clue what I'm saying. I'm not a Bush Supporter and thinking that I am is were you "FAIL." It makes you think something that I'm not and you go down the wrong road. If you'd like to compartmentalize people and just group people into narrow cross sections of America, you cannot see the forrest through the trees.

If you'd get off the Bush blame express and start working the problem then maybe at least you can be productive and stop sounding like some tired old partisan hack.

Bizarre religion that is.

example of a tired old partisan hack attack.

You didn't address my response at all. I don't care if it's Bush or Obama or your leg humping dog.

You use the word "terrorist" without knowing or apparently caring if it's true. Now how were those imprisoned Chinese terrorists? Well, because everyone accused is guilty. They are terrorists because of the virtue of being imprisoned. Frankly that's what Bush promoted, and whether you think him a saint or sinner, you follow the same line of "logic".

Your attitude suggests that everyone is a terrorist until proven innocent, and by heavens we won't allow the latter to be a possibility.

It isn't about punishing the guilty, it's about the insistence that everyone is guilty and therefore a "terrorist". That's Nazi thinking, screw Godwins law.

You can keep the dog to your own leg thanks and your premise. So you think many people are down in gitmo for shit in giggles? So we should be nice to all of them? I don't have a problem with waterboarding. And I'm not big on people caught red handed getting a pass just because someone in their company might be innocent. Don't say that people were not caught red handed either. I had two cousins that saw that crap 1st hand. These are not girlscouts. Not by a long shot. They are Killers. Many of them Killers of our American forces. Is there a innocent person in there? Probably less of a percentage than in our Nations prisons. Should we let all of them out? Probably not.

That is my opinion. I'm entitled to it.

Don't bring up Nazis. That is another "fail."

Of course you are entitled to your opinion. One definition of freedom is that a person has the right to make a perfect fool of themselves. You are just exercising that right.

When all is said and done, I want the guilty punished and the innocent released. You don't. With you all stay or are all released. Are there indeed less guilty people than in the our prisons? How can you say that? At least there was a determination of guilt in that case. You don't want that though. They are all "killers" because you say so.

You don't want justice. You just want revenge against them and you haven't the slightest care if they deserve it.

I don't hold with bullies and cowards.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: MooseNSquirrel

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: spidey07
Because no crimes have been committed, that's why. I surely don't like him or what he's doing but there is absolutely zero grounds for such calls.

Lies, deceit and manipulation are not impeachable offenses unless you're under oath. That's called politics.

Are you kidding me?

He is spending circles around Bush and most of what Bush spent is on his hands and the hands of the democrat congress too and these same people are now doing far worse.

The magnitude of irresponsibility he is showing by trying to force a massive healthcare package that will cost well more than a half a trillion dollars at a time when this country is on the verge of economical collapse is unbelievably egregious.

At a time when he should be forcing people off the government tit he is augmenting welfare to allow more on and on easier, forking out unprecedented amount of money in useless bail outs, thus rewarding our countries failures hand over fist while punishing the winners.

The direction he is taking us in we will not survive, he is adding weight to our already dragging anchor as fast as he can.

The only way this country is going to endure is with him and his cronies removed from office and a sink or swim, survival of the fittest type of reform put in place.

Either way the massive dead weight in this country is a goner, we just have to decide if we all go down with them like Obama is laying the ground work or we cut them loose and swim.

Cost of 8 years of Bush 2: 12 trillion

2008 deficit: 1.2 trillion

Republican promised cost of Iraq war: 60 billion

Actual estimated (conservatively): 3 trillion

And then some people wonder why the current criticisms coming from Republicans seem a tad, oh I don't know...

S&M

Hmm Democrats on the hill balked and screamed bloody murder about Bush's last budget...

Obamas dwarfs it.

first few weeks into BHO coughs up 1.5 trillion

If this is a Pissing contest about who will spend more I'll take Obama. He's off to a great start lining his buddies pockets just like Bush. More of the same...

Any proof on that? I was just about to post something along the lines of "I have yet to see company that Obama or any of his major staff has significant stock in get any major contracts or money. "

It has been shown with out a shadow of a doubt that Dick Cheney had, has, and will for a very long time, make money because of the Iraq War and contracts going without bids to Haliburton to make unsafe and below standard equipment and buildings for huge profits. There is a significant difference in motivation for what each one did.

When you show me that Obama or any in his immediate staff will significantly gain from this stimulus than I will acknowledge that fact. Until than it is speculation.

I hate defending this stim package because personally I think it stinks. I do not think it will help and we need to end this corporate welfare bullshit. I am all for infrastructure investment (building roads, funding alt energy, monitoring for national disasters, researching new tech), but not helping out bad business. It just encourages it.

At this point in the game the titanic is sinking and there isn't a way to make it float. They made it too big and too shitty, they removed lifeboats for profit, they crowded as much as possible and when they were sailing they completely ignored trying to navigate around all the icebergs that were heading straight at them. We need to get life boats out there not attempt to try to make it float. And we will NEVER save the ship by giving the engineers and investors their money back to try again.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: MooseNSquirrel

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: spidey07
Because no crimes have been committed, that's why. I surely don't like him or what he's doing but there is absolutely zero grounds for such calls.

Lies, deceit and manipulation are not impeachable offenses unless you're under oath. That's called politics.

Are you kidding me?

He is spending circles around Bush and most of what Bush spent is on his hands and the hands of the democrat congress too and these same people are now doing far worse.

The magnitude of irresponsibility he is showing by trying to force a massive healthcare package that will cost well more than a half a trillion dollars at a time when this country is on the verge of economical collapse is unbelievably egregious.

At a time when he should be forcing people off the government tit he is augmenting welfare to allow more on and on easier, forking out unprecedented amount of money in useless bail outs, thus rewarding our countries failures hand over fist while punishing the winners.

The direction he is taking us in we will not survive, he is adding weight to our already dragging anchor as fast as he can.

The only way this country is going to endure is with him and his cronies removed from office and a sink or swim, survival of the fittest type of reform put in place.

Either way the massive dead weight in this country is a goner, we just have to decide if we all go down with them like Obama is laying the ground work or we cut them loose and swim.

Cost of 8 years of Bush 2: 12 trillion

2008 deficit: 1.2 trillion

Republican promised cost of Iraq war: 60 billion

Actual estimated (conservatively): 3 trillion

And then some people wonder why the current criticisms coming from Republicans seem a tad, oh I don't know...

S&M

cost of Obama the first 40 days:

President Barack Obama is sending Congress a budget Thursday that projects the government's deficit for this year will soar to $1.75 trillion, reflecting efforts to pull the nation out of a deep recession and a severe financial crisis.

Obama's budget overview will call for between $3.5 trillion and $4 trillion in spending in fiscal year 2010 and creates space for up to $750 billion in additional bank bailout funds this year - money that hasn't been requested and the administration hopes will not be necessary to stabilize the still-reeling financial system.

The White House will formally release its budget overview at 11 a.m. Thursday.

The president's budget will also set aside a $634 billion "reserve fund" as a down payment to cover roughly two-thirds of the anticipated 10-year cost of universal health care coverage -- projected at $1 trillion.

The administration will work with Congress to locate the remaining funds to finance the plan.

"This is a very significant down payment," a senior administration official told FOX News.

so lets see Bush 8(365 days)= 2920 days so 3 trillion /2920= about 1.2 billon a day spending
Obama at 40 days = 5.3 trillion/40= about 125 billion a day spent or proposed

ok thx that puts it into perspective for me.:shocked:

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: MooseNSquirrel

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: spidey07
Because no crimes have been committed, that's why. I surely don't like him or what he's doing but there is absolutely zero grounds for such calls.

Lies, deceit and manipulation are not impeachable offenses unless you're under oath. That's called politics.

Are you kidding me?

He is spending circles around Bush and most of what Bush spent is on his hands and the hands of the democrat congress too and these same people are now doing far worse.

The magnitude of irresponsibility he is showing by trying to force a massive healthcare package that will cost well more than a half a trillion dollars at a time when this country is on the verge of economical collapse is unbelievably egregious.

At a time when he should be forcing people off the government tit he is augmenting welfare to allow more on and on easier, forking out unprecedented amount of money in useless bail outs, thus rewarding our countries failures hand over fist while punishing the winners.

The direction he is taking us in we will not survive, he is adding weight to our already dragging anchor as fast as he can.

The only way this country is going to endure is with him and his cronies removed from office and a sink or swim, survival of the fittest type of reform put in place.

Either way the massive dead weight in this country is a goner, we just have to decide if we all go down with them like Obama is laying the ground work or we cut them loose and swim.

Cost of 8 years of Bush 2: 12 trillion

2008 deficit: 1.2 trillion

Republican promised cost of Iraq war: 60 billion

Actual estimated (conservatively): 3 trillion

And then some people wonder why the current criticisms coming from Republicans seem a tad, oh I don't know...

S&M

cost of Obama the first 40 days:

President Barack Obama is sending Congress a budget Thursday that projects the government's deficit for this year will soar to $1.75 trillion, reflecting efforts to pull the nation out of a deep recession and a severe financial crisis.

Obama's budget overview will call for between $3.5 trillion and $4 trillion in spending in fiscal year 2010 and creates space for up to $750 billion in additional bank bailout funds this year - money that hasn't been requested and the administration hopes will not be necessary to stabilize the still-reeling financial system.

The White House will formally release its budget overview at 11 a.m. Thursday.

The president's budget will also set aside a $634 billion "reserve fund" as a down payment to cover roughly two-thirds of the anticipated 10-year cost of universal health care coverage -- projected at $1 trillion.

The administration will work with Congress to locate the remaining funds to finance the plan.

"This is a very significant down payment," a senior administration official told FOX News.

so lets see Bush 8(365 days)= 2920 days so 3 trillion /2920= about 1.2 billon a day spending
Obama at 40 days = 5.3 trillion/40= about 125 billion a day spent or proposed

ok thx that puts it into perspective for me.:shocked:

Lesson 2: the difference between wasteful spending and borrowed tax cuts, and bailout/stimulus spending to save the economy.

Also, Obama has now done the honest thing and put the war spending in the budget, not hiding it off-budget like Bush did for the entire war period.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: MooseNSquirrel

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: spidey07
Because no crimes have been committed, that's why. I surely don't like him or what he's doing but there is absolutely zero grounds for such calls.

Lies, deceit and manipulation are not impeachable offenses unless you're under oath. That's called politics.

Are you kidding me?

He is spending circles around Bush and most of what Bush spent is on his hands and the hands of the democrat congress too and these same people are now doing far worse.

The magnitude of irresponsibility he is showing by trying to force a massive healthcare package that will cost well more than a half a trillion dollars at a time when this country is on the verge of economical collapse is unbelievably egregious.

At a time when he should be forcing people off the government tit he is augmenting welfare to allow more on and on easier, forking out unprecedented amount of money in useless bail outs, thus rewarding our countries failures hand over fist while punishing the winners.

The direction he is taking us in we will not survive, he is adding weight to our already dragging anchor as fast as he can.

The only way this country is going to endure is with him and his cronies removed from office and a sink or swim, survival of the fittest type of reform put in place.

Either way the massive dead weight in this country is a goner, we just have to decide if we all go down with them like Obama is laying the ground work or we cut them loose and swim.

Cost of 8 years of Bush 2: 12 trillion

2008 deficit: 1.2 trillion

Republican promised cost of Iraq war: 60 billion

Actual estimated (conservatively): 3 trillion

And then some people wonder why the current criticisms coming from Republicans seem a tad, oh I don't know...

S&M

Hmm Democrats on the hill balked and screamed bloody murder about Bush's last budget...

Obamas dwarfs it.

first few weeks into BHO coughs up 1.5 trillion

If this is a Pissing contest about who will spend more I'll take Obama. He's off to a great start lining his buddies pockets just like Bush. More of the same...

Any proof on that? I was just about to post something along the lines of "I have yet to see company that Obama or any of his major staff has significant stock in get any major contracts or money. "

It has been shown with out a shadow of a doubt that Dick Cheney had, has, and will for a very long time, make money because of the Iraq War and contracts going without bids to Haliburton to make unsafe and below standard equipment and buildings for huge profits. There is a significant difference in motivation for what each one did.

When you show me that Obama or any in his immediate staff will significantly gain from this stimulus than I will acknowledge that fact. Until than it is speculation.

I hate defending this stim package because personally I think it stinks. I do not think it will help and we need to end this corporate welfare bullshit. I am all for infrastructure investment (building roads, funding alt energy, monitoring for national disasters, researching new tech), but not helping out bad business. It just encourages it.

At this point in the game the titanic is sinking and there isn't a way to make it float. They made it too big and too shitty, they removed lifeboats for profit, they crowded as much as possible and when they were sailing they completely ignored trying to navigate around all the icebergs that were heading straight at them. We need to get life boats out there not attempt to try to make it float. And we will NEVER save the ship by giving the engineers and investors their money back to try again.

Was any republican at the table during the writing of this bill? No. None.
Is any of this money that isn't "earmarked" but directed towards many groups that idolize Obama isn't proof enough I do not know what is. Obama is paying back all that served him that will serve him again. All this guy knows how to do is champaign.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: EXman

Was any republican at the table during the writing of this bill? No. None.
Is any of this money that isn't "earmarked" but directed towards many groups that idolize Obama isn't proof enough I do not know what is. Obama is paying back all that served him that will serve him again. All this guy knows how to do is champaign.

Yeah you're not biased at all..not much:roll:

 

[heyheybooboo]

This thread is a perfect example of the ongoing fail of the Twenty Percenters. ?Prosperity is just around the corner?, right, guys? We are in a mental recession. Man up! We're America!

Herbert Hoover would be so proud ...

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: EXman

Was any republican at the table during the writing of this bill? No. None.
Is any of this money that isn't "earmarked" but directed towards many groups that idolize Obama isn't proof enough I do not know what is. Obama is paying back all that served him that will serve him again. All this guy knows how to do is champaign.

Yeah you're not biased at all..not much:roll:

You need to put that in context you make me look like a rePUBICan. Which i am not. It has nothing to do with Bias. If you want a Stimulus bill and get no input from the other side of the isle it will will be more of the same stuff rolling out of D.C.


Feigning bipartisanship then hand over the stimulus bill to Pelosi her cadre of Special Interest groups (also his) and wish lists from Dems then putting a bow on it and swiping at the GOP members telling them to "eat shit and die! we're running shit now might as well go in the corner and circle jerk some more." Not letting one in is true. I might be off on the quote. I probably suger coated it some.

B)

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: EXman

Was any republican at the table during the writing of this bill? No. None.
Is any of this money that isn't "earmarked" but directed towards many groups that idolize Obama isn't proof enough I do not know what is. Obama is paying back all that served him that will serve him again. All this guy knows how to do is champaign.

Yeah you're not biased at all..not much:roll:

You need to put that in context you make me look like a rePUBICan. Which i am not. It has nothing to do with Bias. If you want a Stimulus bill and get no input from the other side of the isle it will will be more of the same stuff rolling out of D.C.


Feigning bipartisanship then hand over the stimulus bill to Pelosi her cadre of Special Interest groups (also his) and wish lists from Dems then putting a bow on it and swiping at the GOP members telling them to "eat shit and die! we're running shit now might as well go in the corner and circle jerk some more." Not letting one in is true. I might be off on the quote. I probably suger coated it some.

B)

3 Republicans supported the legislation and forced Obama to pare it down.

The fact that only 3 Republicans were willing to support the bill proves that there are very few if any moderates left in the Republican party. They're a bunch of radicals at this point.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: EXman

Was any republican at the table during the writing of this bill? No. None.
Is any of this money that isn't "earmarked" but directed towards many groups that idolize Obama isn't proof enough I do not know what is. Obama is paying back all that served him that will serve him again. All this guy knows how to do is champaign.

Yeah you're not biased at all..not much:roll:

You need to put that in context you make me look like a rePUBICan. Which i am not.

Well you sound like a Republican with your ridiculous claim that all he knows how to do is campaign.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What this comes down to is money. No one has died, no one accused of an actual crime. So what has impeachment got to do with anything?

 

[ebaycj]

I'm surprised he hasn't gotten any credit from the republicans for taking care of our troops by raising their salaries / benefits, or for taking care of our veterans by giving them the healthcare that they earned, care that GWB felt was unnecessary.

Also, I'm surprised that republicans aren't majorly pissed off at Bush for hiding the costs of the war away, by not putting them in the public national budget. I mean that's basically an Enron-style move right there. Maybe Bush learned more from Ken Lay than he let on.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

What this comes down to is money. No one has died, no one accused of an actual crime. So what has impeachment got to do with anything?

Nothing, except that the pissant Bushwhacko losers are trying blowing a lot of smoke out of their asses because their thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal should have been impeached and may still face charges for their multiple crimes, including treason, murder, torture, war crimes, crimes against humanity and general corruption.