why is murder not okay?

[BudAshes]

Our tax money goes to a military that uses drones to murder people in their houses every week. So i'd say we are pretty ok with killing people.

 

[nageov3t]

my take: because it deprives the other person of free will.

It's a fair question. Answering it well is a fundamental start for the topic of ethics.

I was thinking about this in terms partly of politics - right-wing politics...

1/10 for out-trolling the OP.

 

[SKORPI0]

in about a 100 yrs everyone on the planet is going to be dead anyways, so what if a few people are gone ahead of schedule?

OP, let me know how you feel if/when a loved one close to you is brutally murdered. Because if it is okay in today's society guess who'll be the next victim.

 

[rayfieldclement]

One of my Grand nieces was murdered several years ago so I don't support it generally except for war and self-defense.

 

[OverVolt]

People can't reach their full potential when there exists the threat of murder. And then all of society degrades.

 

[dud]

Thou shalt not kill.

Enough said sir troll ...

 

[Chiropteran]

Thou shalt not kill.

Enough said sir troll ...

But the bible also says slavery is okay. It's not really a good place to source the basis of an argument.

 

[OverVolt]

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No 1 likes the short, logical, real answer apparently. DAMN YOU INTERNET. :awe:

 

[shortylickens]

But the bible also says slavery is okay. It's not really a good place to source the basis of an argument.

I actually dont have a problem with the 10 commandments. Those are states rules. The rest of the book is just stories.

MY BEEF is how people constantly reinterpret the rules to suit their own twisted agenda.

 

[OverVolt]

Oh my god now its about religion, ---RUN!!!---

 

[pelov]

What if Jesus was a homicidal maniac? Just a slobby homicidal maniac like one of us? Just a rampant murder-crazed stranger on a bus, trying to make his way home?

 

[sandorski]

If they all gonna die anyway, why make it sooner?

 

[OverVolt]

If they all gonna die anyway, why make it sooner?

because slavery jesus bible

 

[Phoenix86]

Same reason OP is a troll, just because.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Meh even as a troll post there are some interesting angles to it.

1. If you believe in evolution, then one would say that "murder" is in our very genes and is a natural instinct of survival and domination and necessary for the survival of a species.

2. If you believe in creationism, and we were made in God's image, then it is possible that even God is murderous in nature.

In both of those scenarios (and I realize that's a very general scenario) you assume instinct is involved. In nature, almost everything kills something, and generally will kill to protect its growth. Consider the fact that we are OK with killing other animals for food, but some animals we are not considered "food". That is cultural. Also, animals kill other animals for food as well, however very few kill their own species to supply a food source. This would lead me to believe that the "pack instinct" is also at play. You don't kill your own, however you do apply a pecking order and dominance within your species. Sometimes deaths occur during this.

Anotherwords, NOT killing takes disipline. Making it morally/ethically wrong in a religious aspect only furthers that. If there were no religion, would we even know it was "wrong" to kill? Or would it be just another "thing" that happens in relation to dominance. and survival of the species?

 

[OverVolt]

Cooperation is genetically favored. Since our genes are so similar. In the past humans had a "bottleneck" and we are all very much alike, and thus cooperation is favored.

Notice how we don't cooperate with people we think are "different".

 

[Raizinman]

Why can your sarge tell you in war to go wipe out a village (woman and children)? Why is that not murder? Why is murder OK during war? Can you not go to war with your neighbor or enemy? Since the people elect the president who declares war, and we are the people, why can't we declare war on an individual? What if we wanted to go to war on a inexact term like terrorism? What about pornography? What about Racism? Where does it end?

 

[sandorski]

Meh even as a troll post there are some interesting angles to it.

1. If you believe in evolution, then one would say that "murder" is in our very genes and is a natural instinct of survival and domination and necessary for the survival of a species.

2. If you believe in creationism, and we were made in God's image, then it is possible that even God is murderous in nature.

In both of those scenarios (and I realize that's a very general scenario) you assume instinct is involved. In nature, almost everything kills something, and generally will kill to protect its growth. Consider the fact that we are OK with killing other animals for food, but some animals we are not considered "food". That is cultural. Also, animals kill other animals for food as well, however very few kill their own species to supply a food source. This would lead me to believe that the "pack instinct" is also at play. You don't kill your own, however you do apply a pecking order and dominance within your species. Sometimes deaths occur during this.

Anotherwords, NOT killing takes disipline. Making it morally/ethically wrong in a religious aspect only furthers that. If there were no religion, would we even know it was "wrong" to kill? Or would it be just another "thing" that happens in relation to dominance. and survival of the species?

Yes, even without Religion we would know it was Wrong. Part of your post even discusses why. Your whole Evolution/Creation argument is seriously flawed, starting from a ridiculous Strawman.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Yes, even without Religion we would know it was Wrong. Part of your post even discusses why. Your whole Evolution/Creation argument is seriously flawed, starting from a ridiculous Strawman.

STFU or I'll murder you!

It's called opinion and theory, you're making it an argument. You contributed zero. I don't agree about w/o religion we'd know it was wrong. "strawman" claims are awesome when you don't even say why.

 

[pelov]

It's called opinion and theory, you're making it an argument. You contributed zero. I don't agree about w/o religion we'd know it was wrong.

You seem to be under the impression that religion actually believes that it's wrong. If that really were the case then we wouldn't have had essentially every religion ever created, which went out of their way to murder and conquer for the sake of their own religion. That's also murder. If you think religion dictates that homicide is a wrongful act that the believers of that religion shouldn't partake in then I'd highly suggest you start your own religion, because the current ones dun' goofed.

And tell me, what's the difference between the Crusades, Jihad, when god killed the innocent first born children of Egypt and some criminal in a back alley shooting someone? Don't the religiously inspired murders (and endless tales of them) seem a bit worse to you? They do to me.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Humans kill each other all the time. Pretty frequently, it's okay.

"Murder" is the term used to describe killing another person when it's specifically NOT okay.

 

[pelov]

Humans kill each other all the time. Pretty frequently, it's okay.

"Murder" is the term used to describe killing another person when it's specifically NOT okay.

"okay" is a relative term. What's "okay" depends on what people think at the time. Using outdated ideas to cement a command standard is very often silly and we just wouldn't have it because it's batshit crazy. Here's what I mean:

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

Murder isn't "wrong" or "right" (in either the empirical or divine sense), it's just a common aspect of human nature and culture. People need to get used to it. We can decide that we'd like to punish people who commit such acts, sure, but this silly notion of "right and wrong" is a human concept based on ethics and morals that change over time. Thus, murder isn't right or wrong, it's either accepted or not in a given society/culture.

 

[ImpulsE69]

You seem to be under the impression that religion actually believes that it's wrong. If that really were the case then we wouldn't have had essentially every religion ever created, which went out of their way to murder and conquer for the sake of their own religion. That's also murder. If you think religion dictates that homicide is a wrongful act that the believers of that religion shouldn't partake in then I'd highly suggest you start your own religion, because the current ones dun' goofed.

And tell me, what's the difference between the Crusades, Jihad, when god killed the innocent first born children of Egypt and some criminal in a back alley shooting someone? Don't the religiously inspired murders (and endless tales of them) seem a bit worse to you? They do to me.

Oh, I didn't say religion doesn't kill people, however many religions "preach" not to, unless it's for an OK reason. Everything is murder, it's just a matter of "who's opinion if it's a good cause" if it's murder or not. I have my own thoughts on religion in general and it's purpose and murder is really a completely different topic that could be discussed until we're starting our own war....I was trying not to go there.

MY point was that I believe our very instinct is survival and pecking order at a cullular level. Our goal is to spread (like a virus). Killing is a part of that. Remember, that HUMANS are who are stating what is right and wrong in terms of "what is ok to kill and what is not and for what reason" and even that varies by culture.

I also stated that most species do not "kill" their own for food and have a pack mentality, this also goes for humans. I think the centuries of religious preaching and self discipline has given us the "it's morally wrong to kill" thought process, even if they have no issues killing for what they believe. The fact that we will kill for things we believe and THAT'S ok, speaks volumes. I'm not saying any of this is right..it just made me think about it ;p

People will do many things to survive, murder is just one of those things.

 

[BladeVenom]

I'm interested to know why the OP thinks everyone will be dead in 100 years.

Zombie apocalypse, duh.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Zombie apocalypse, duh.

I thought we were all dead in December