Why is LSD illegal?

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Unmoosical

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Originally posted by: Ns1
lsd is not for the noobish.

I never worked up the guts to try it. Heard a few nightmare stories of trips gone crazy. Can a bad trip actually scar you (psychologically) for life?

There are people who never get out of the bad trip. They wind up in mental wards.

I did a LOT of lsd. I can totally understand why it's illegal. You DO NOT want people to have access to this stuff.

I'm calling your bluff. You really think people end up in mental wards because of LSD? I'm a skeptic.

LSD is relatively safe. It's not addictive and you have to have something like 1000 times the effective dose before you OD on it.

Yes. I was really into it for quite a while. Did all kinds of research. They are essentially perpetually tripping.

Of course it's rare, but it does happen. OH, and an OD does is something like 100,000 (or some wild number) times a 50 microgram dose.

You mean perma-fried? I've also heard stories, but they're just that, "stories". Not saying if it's true or not, but can't verify/too lazy to verify.

Oh, it's very very real! I know a couple of such individuals that have been mentally incapacitated for over 15-20yrs now. As has been stated the amount required to mess up the brain in a single dose is staggering, the problem is the cummulative effect builds up.

Both of the "fried" individuals I know did large doses regularly over a long period of time, and the mental damage became visable over time. I can remember a time when they were "out there" but could still function fairly normally, and they both slipped into a delusional state (fantasy world, if you will) where seperating their imagination from day to day reality became impossible.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: JackMDS

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: JackMDS
When One loses a leg, One knows that the leg is Not growing up again. But when people do things that damage the brain they do not see the damages, so ?out of sight out of mind? they think that everything is an OK. The main reason that Drugs makes one feel they way they do when taken is because they alter Brain Neurochemistry, and thus create an illusionary states.

These types of drugs have the very High potential to alter the Neurotransmitters, and they would stay way. I.e. altered.

Depending on the person unique Chemical equilibrium of Brian Neurochemistry. The result of playing with Drugs and chemical agents as mentioned in this thread can be from the subtle to extreme.

When taken there is always physiological outcome whether One can see it or Not. People that are knowledgeable and experience in work with people that acquire Brain Injuries can spot a person that does this stuff very easily.

Schizophrenia?s Brain Neurochemistry has a chemical structure similar to LSD. Many years ago LSD was actually use to research Schizophrenia. This research stopped when it was apparent that it is creating more Schizophrenia and offer No cure.

There are many cases of people that became permanent Schizophrenic from one doze of LCD; others needed more ?Trips? to permanently alter the system.

So make sure that your life is organized (financial and personal affairs) with the knowledge that the next doze can do it (alter the Neurotransmitters for ever) and everything in life would be permanently different.

:roll:

One hit of LSD is not going to permafuck you.

I guess you are familiar with medical psychiatric publications. You research thoroughly and you could not find not any evidence in the Medical literature that report Schizophrenic brake down after one Trip.

I'm aware of the affects it can have on preexisting conditions, especially mental disorders. All hallucinogens exacerbate mental conditions. I just think "So make sure that your life is organized (financial and personal affairs) with the knowledge that the next doze can do it (alter the Neurotransmitters for ever) and everything in life would be permanently different." is a bit of a scare tactic and doesn't apply to the general populace.

I have never, nor will ever, take LSD, but I think waving the 'if you drop acid, you'll end up crazy" flag just irritates me.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Canai

I have never, nor will ever, take LSD, but I think waving the 'if you drop acid, you'll end up crazy" flag just irritates me.

Well as stated it CAN screw you up mentally from one dose. The chemical composition and shape of LSD is very similar to a core neurotransmitter and essentially displaces that. The fact that only 50 micrograms can have a psychedelic affect should be a clue on how powerful it is.

 

[Old Hippie]

I guess you are familiar with medical psychiatric publications.

I'm not, and what you are suggesting may have happened.

But of all the accumulated trips, of all the people I know, it's been a non-issue.

All of the reports of LSD induced schizophrenia I investigated while in college (early 70's), seemed to emanate from anti-drug sources.

We had a large psychiatric hospital in town that supposedly had one of these LSD induced schizophrenia cases. After walking, talking, and eating there for 3 days with patients and staff, it was obvious, this patient didn't exist.

Doesn't mean it couldn't happen to somebody already on the edge, but along with the funky deformed baby "facts", it should be put to rest.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Beev
How the hell do you even get 30000 times a regular dose? And wouldn't that be expensive as hell?

spill a jar of it on you. A regular does is something like 20 micrograms. The guy who discovered LSD did so by absorbing some through his skin and tripped out on a bicycle ride from his lab.

 

[AbsolutDealage]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Eeezee
The weird part is that I've heard Cocaine and Ritalin have nearly identical effects and are equally addictive, yet one is illegal and we prescribe the other

Right, that is closer. Adderall is amphetamine (salt forms thereof). Ritalin is close to amphetamine (as is Ecstasy) and methamphetamine. Cocaine (and Novocaine and other sorts of 'caine' drugs) are different sorts of animals.

Actually, cocaine is available for perscription. It is very highly regulated and only used in the cases where the other members of the 'caine' family cannot be used.

At least, that's the story according to an acquaintance who is a pharmacist.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Unmoosical

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Originally posted by: Ns1
lsd is not for the noobish.

I never worked up the guts to try it. Heard a few nightmare stories of trips gone crazy. Can a bad trip actually scar you (psychologically) for life?

There are people who never get out of the bad trip. They wind up in mental wards.

I did a LOT of lsd. I can totally understand why it's illegal. You DO NOT want people to have access to this stuff.

I'm calling your bluff. You really think people end up in mental wards because of LSD? I'm a skeptic.

LSD is relatively safe. It's not addictive and you have to have something like 1000 times the effective dose before you OD on it.

Yes. I was really into it for quite a while. Did all kinds of research. They are essentially perpetually tripping.

Of course it's rare, but it does happen. OH, and an OD does is something like 100,000 (or some wild number) times a 50 microgram dose.

You mean perma-fried? I've also heard stories, but they're just that, "stories". Not saying if it's true or not, but can't verify/too lazy to verify.

you might end up like lewis black?

or worse... jack black

 

[JackMDS]

Oh Boy. Not a surprise that there is the saying Ignorance is a Blessing. :thumbsup:

Many of the people here would Not risk their Rig with an Inexpensive PSU, coz it might destabilized there Dear OC Rig.:shocked:

But destabilizing the Brain? That?s cool.

Save your $200 that you spend on a PSU, and buy some real literature concerning the issues.

Otherwise this might be in your future, http://www.stopabductions.com/

 

[mitchel]

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

I guess you are familiar with medical psychiatric publications.

I'm not, and what you are suggesting may have happened.

But of all the accumulated trips, of all the people I know, it's been a non-issue.

All of the reports of LSD induced schizophrenia I investigated while in college (early 70's), seemed to emanate from anti-drug sources.

We had a large psychiatric hospital in town that supposedly had one of these LSD induced schizophrenia cases. After walking, talking, and eating there for 3 days with patients and staff, it was obvious, this patient didn't exist.

Doesn't mean it couldn't happen to somebody already on the edge, but along with the funky deformed baby "facts", it should be put to rest.

Hahah. That guy was lying through his teeth by quoting supposed "medical facts". Like the lies regarding MJ.

That being said, if you're schizo, do not do LSD.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
Oh Boy. Not a surprise that there is the saying Ignorance is a Blessing. :thumbsup:

Many of the people here would Not risk their Rig with an Inexpensive PSU, coz it might destabilized there Dear OC Rig.:shocked:

But destabilizing the Brain? That?s cool.

Save your $200 that you spend on a PSU, and buy some real literature concerning the issues.

Otherwise this might be in your future, "><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.stopabductions.com/</">http://www.stopabductions.com/</a>

:music: Alrighty, then ... picture this if you will.

10 to 2 AM, X, Yogi DMT, and a box of Krispy Kremes,
in my "need to know" pose, just outside of Area 51
Contemplating the whole "chosen people" thingy
when a flaming stealth banana split the sky
like one would hope but never really expect
to see in a place like this.
Cutting right angle donuts on a dime
and stopping right at my Birkenstocks,
and me yelping...

Holy f**king shit!

Then the X-Files being,
Looking like some kind of blue-green Jackie Chan
with Isabella Rossellini lips, and breath that reeked of
vanilla Chig Champa
Did a slow-mo Matrix descent
Outta the butt end of the banana vessel
And hovered above my bug-eyes, my gaping jaw,
and my sweaty L. Ron Hubbard upper lip,
and all I could think was:
"I hope Uncle Martin here doesn't notice
that I pissed my f**kin' pants."

So light in his way,
Like an apparition, [that]
He had me crying out,
"F**k me
It's gotta be
the Deadhead Chemistry
The blotter got

on top of me
Got me seein' E-motherf**kin'-T!"

And after calming me down
with some orange slices
and some fetal spooning,
E.T. revealed to me his singular purpose.
He said, "You are the Chosen One,
the One who will deliver the message.
A message of hope for those who choose to hear it
and a warning for those who do not."
Me. The Chosen One?
They chose me!!!
And I didn't even graduate from f**kin' high school.

You'd better...
You'd better...
You'd better...
You'd better listen.

Then he looked right through me
With somniferous almond eyes
Don't even know what that means
Must remember to write it down
This is so real
Like the time Dave floated away
See, my heart is pounding
'Cause this shit never happens to me

I can't breathe right now!

It was so real,
Like I woke up in Wonderland.
All sorta terrifying
I don't wanna be all alone
While I tell this story.
And can anyone tell me why
Y'all sound like Peanuts parents?
Will I ever be coming down?
This is so real
Finally, it's my lucky day
See, my heart is racing
'Cause this shit never happens to me

I can't breathe right now!

You believe me, don't you?
Please believe what I've just said!
See the Dead ain't touring
And this wasn't all in my head.
See, they took me by the hand
And invited me right in.
Then they showed me something
I don't even know where to begin.

Strapped down [to] my bed
Feet cold [and] eyes red
I'm out of my head
Am I alive? Am I dead?
Can't remember what they said
God damn, shit the bed.

Hey ...

Overwhelmed as one would be, placed in my position.
Such a heavy burden now to be the One
Born to bear and bring to all the details of our ending,
To write it down for all the world to see.

But I forgot my pen
Shit the bed again ...
Typical.

Strapped down [to] my bed
Feet cold and eyes red
I'm out of my head
Am I alive? Am I dead?
Sunkist and Sudafed *
Gyroscopes and infrared
Won't help, I'm brain dead
Can't remember what they said
God damn, shit the bed

I can't remember what they said to me
Can't remember what they said to make me out to be a hero
Can't remember what they said
Bob help me!
Can't remember what they said

[We] don't know, [and we] won't know (x12)

God damn, shit the bed!
:music:​

​

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
Oh Boy. Not a surprise that there is the saying Ignorance is a Blessing. :thumbsup:

Many of the people here would Not risk their Rig with an Inexpensive PSU, coz it might destabilized there Dear OC Rig.:shocked:

But destabilizing the Brain? That?s cool.

Save your $200 that you spend on a PSU, and buy some real literature concerning the issues.

Otherwise this might be in your future, http://www.stopabductions.com/

Altered perceptions give you new insights into your brain and the world around you.

And of course spending money on a PSU instead of books makes you get abducted by aliens

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Anubis
yea PCP is bad fing news

pcp == horse tranquilizer?

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Anubis
yea PCP is bad fing news

pcp == horse tranquilizer?

ketamine = horse tranq = k

pcp = wtf x infinity

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Anubis
yea PCP is bad fing news

pcp == horse tranquilizer?

not that i know of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine

you thinking of Ketamine? i dont think they use it on horses tho, mainily small animals

 

[Juddog]

LSD should be legal to use under the following circumstances:
* controlled environment.
* individual has to pass a psychiatric battery before allowing to take it.

The main problem with it has to do with our society and people not learning to control their own thought process. This may seem like a simple statement but in today's culture, self-control and discipline is actually fairly rare as people are used to getting what they want, when they want. Bad trips come about from people not being able to control their mind in order to focus on something else.

In other words, it should remain illegal, but the penalties for use / possession should be toned way down from where they are now. The majority of people aren't ready for what this drug can bring to humanity. It's too bad, as under the right circumstances can be life altering in a good way.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Canai
Altered perceptions give you new insights into your brain and the world around you.

True. The only problem is remembering later.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Anubis
yea PCP is bad fing news

pcp == horse tranquilizer?

not that i know of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine

you thinking of Ketamine? i dont think they use it on horses tho, mainily small animals

Never done research on it. Years ago got some pcp from a dealer who said it was based on horse tranq. So it was either horse tranq and not pcp or truly angel dust :Q. Don't remember anything astounding about it...

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Canai
Altered perceptions give you new insights into your brain and the world around you.

True. The only problem is remembering later.

Given the proper mix of nootropics, memories are retained. It's just most people that try it don't research properly what to take to resupply the neurochemicals which are used up during the trip (such as acetylcholine).

The other main problem with it is that people treat it as a party drug, which it is not. Taking it should have the equivalent preparation that someone would do before getting surgery done; proper neurochemical balance, proper state of mind (preferably someone who is familiar with meditation and self-control), and proper surroundings (e.g. not taking it on a rooftop or in dangerous areas). You should also have to have someone prep you on usage and experience before taking it as well in order so that the mind is not alarmed.

Under the proper circumstances it has been shown to have tremendous value to treating mental problems and overcoming addiction (e.g. being able to take someone who beat their wife and was an alcoholic to forever changing their ways, never drinking alcohol again, etc.)

Basically we have a drug with immense potential to change behavior patterns on a permanent basis and would be an incredible tool to psychiatrists around the nation if it could be studied, tested, and studied some more on effects, usage, and proper amounts to use, but since it's not a schedule 1 substance there is little chance of that happening anytime soon. It's a damn shame.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: mattocs

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Robotripping is far worse and much more intense than LSD.

I have done shrooms, LSD, and robo. Robo was a horrible experience 2 out of the 3 times I tried it.. I never had a bad experience with LSD or shrooms.

Maybe you have never taken enough acid. Robotripping was crazy...but I have to say, that I have had some real intense acid trips that are nothing compared to robotripping.

I have done 3 or 4 hits of acid at a time. Yes the trip was intense but nothing that was scary or out of body type experiences. They were pleasant trips. Same goes for shrooms.

However, robotripping, I did "normal" doses and I literally thought I was dead. I had weird out of body type experiences. None of it was enjoyable. I was miserable for many hours.

robotripping is different with everybody, at least in a general sense, because people do different amounts and have different body weights. There's like a level system used to describe the effects and intensity. DXM is a strange animal that behaves very differently at high levels compared to low levels. High levels it is very much a shamanic drug, while low levels can be used in the party atmosphere.

Originally posted by: mitchel

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

I guess you are familiar with medical psychiatric publications.

I'm not, and what you are suggesting may have happened.

But of all the accumulated trips, of all the people I know, it's been a non-issue.

All of the reports of LSD induced schizophrenia I investigated while in college (early 70's), seemed to emanate from anti-drug sources.

We had a large psychiatric hospital in town that supposedly had one of these LSD induced schizophrenia cases. After walking, talking, and eating there for 3 days with patients and staff, it was obvious, this patient didn't exist.

Doesn't mean it couldn't happen to somebody already on the edge, but along with the funky deformed baby "facts", it should be put to rest.

Hahah. That guy was lying through his teeth by quoting supposed "medical facts". Like the lies regarding MJ.

That being said, if you're schizo, do not do LSD.

no, the truth of the matter is, if there is a history of any kind of mental illness in your family, do NOT take LSD. If you have a clean history, go ahead, you might be safe. The issue is, some people think they are fine and take it, and get fucked up for life. What happens, is the body is coded in such a way that some mental illness is just lying dormant, and just needs one little moment to shine through, and then it's BAM, showing up all across the board.
This is the case with schizophrenia, it has a tendency to lie dormant, possibly the person has just the right balance of neurotransmitters (NTs), lets say it's just above a threshold... well using drugs that interact with these NTs is not a good idea, because if you permanently alter the ratios and actions of those NTs, and lower or raise those levels across that threshold... well you're fucked.
Every chemical out there, that does anything to our body, even caffeine, interacts with NTs, but most are harmless and don't really alter levels.

+

 

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: Canai
Altered perceptions give you new insights into your brain and the world around you.

Nah, Reality out there does not change when the Brain is busy creating its own wishful thinking.

What you are talking about is known as Hallucinations.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Nitemare
We live in a repressive society?

Help, help, I'm bein' repressed!

What business is it of the state on what you do behind closed doors(to yourself or with other consenting adults)?

 

[Ns1]

Nobody made a comment on rosetta stoned?

it's the perfect LSD song

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Ns1
Nobody made a comment on rosetta stoned?

it's the perfect LSD song

never liked LSD
ill stick to schooms and dried cacti

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ns1
Nobody made a comment on rosetta stoned?

it's the perfect LSD song

never liked LSD
ill stick to schooms and dried cacti

Same premise, really

 

[JulesMaximus]

WTF? Limited Slip Differentials aren't illegal.