Why is LSD illegal?

[mitchel]

Originally posted by: deepred98

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with Sativa 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

I would beg to differ.

Having done most of the major psychadellics (sp?), salvia is the only one I won't do again.

Indeed, I didn't like it one bit.

Why?

I have heard a lot of bad stories and seen many people have bad trips on salvia but personally i've only experianced positive effects mostly manifested in crazy dreams.

To NS1 and anyone else who has done both lsd and salvia which one do you consider more dangerous and intense because i've been on the fence about doing lsd even though i've smoke more than 2g's of 40x salvia extracts?

Oh and in regards to whoever said cannabis makes people lazy and useless i'd say that laziness moreso depends on the person although cannabis does amplify the urge to give up. That being said i've smoked cannabis for quite a while and i'm my school's valedictorian so cannabis is never the entire reason for a person's failures.

Actually, due to this thread I'm thinking of picking up some Salvia 10x. Should be interesting.

Where do I get the jet lighter?

 

[wrongwaydownup]

I took LSD a few times and it was not fun...and probably was the cause of lots of psychological problems ever since.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: coldmeat

Originally posted by: tidehigh
it was made illegal to try to curb the counter culture uprising a few decades ago.

for the idiots replying, MJ was made illegal because of the mexican immigration problem in TX a few decades before that.

Then why is it illegal in Canada?

For the Mexicans that made it that far?

Because Canada's government is a piece of shit? A survey done by the National Post in 2000 showed that over 90% of Canadians want to decriminalize marijuana, but it still hasn't happened.

The people really have no control over public policy it seems.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: deepred98

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: mitchel
I would recommend you going with Sativa 10x standarized as opposed to mushrooms for a gateway psychedelic.

Even if you fuck up it lasts only 10 mins so you'll be out of there quick.

I would beg to differ.

Having done most of the major psychadellics (sp?), salvia is the only one I won't do again.

Indeed, I didn't like it one bit.

Why?

I have heard a lot of bad stories and seen many people have bad trips on salvia but personally i've only experianced positive effects mostly manifested in crazy dreams.

To NS1 and anyone else who has done both lsd and salvia which one do you consider more dangerous and intense because i've been on the fence about doing lsd even though i've smoke more than 2g's of 40x salvia extracts?

Oh and in regards to whoever said cannabis makes people lazy and useless i'd say that laziness moreso depends on the person although cannabis does amplify the urge to give up. That being said i've smoked cannabis for quite a while and i'm my school's valedictorian so cannabis is never the entire reason for a person's failures.

I'd opt for a lower dose of LSD and work your way up the comfort zone. I found salvia so horribly unenjoyable that I could never recommend it to anybody. It was harder/rougher, and I found that I completely lost sense of reality whereas with LSD I still had some sense of control. Maybe I just had one massive salvia hit but man, FTS

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Originally posted by: Ns1
lsd is not for the noobish.

I never worked up the guts to try it. Heard a few nightmare stories of trips gone crazy. Can a bad trip actually scar you (psychologically) for life?

When the government was doing research on the subject, the doses required to fsck someones mind over were mind boggling. Nobody would ever do that much at once on their own.

They have instructions on a shampoo bottle and how to use a tooth pick, most likely becuase someone f'ed that up. College kids around here can't figure out how to drink alcohol and not hurt themselves--I'd hate to see if they had legal access to LSD.

 

[natto fire]

The Controlled Substances Act. Any post not stating this, or giving their opinion, is either wrong, or just someones opinion.

Yeah I did not read the thread because I know this just degraded into another "why aren't drugs legal?" debate, and I am sick of reading the same opinions over and over on this matter.

Edit: This of course only applies to the United States, but the principal applies.

 

[dennilfloss]

Originally posted by: Beev


It isn't toxic

Tell that to your brian cells...

 

[Old Hippie]

LSD tends to exaggerate the mood you are in. Good mood, good trip. Bad mood, bad trip. You also get smart enough to solve all the worlds problems but you can't remember the fixes after you come down.

Perfect. :thumbsup:

I did attempt to put all the solutions on a flow chart.....pretty funny the next day. :laugh:

 

[mattocs]

LSD can be fucking scary. I prefer mushrooms...but a good acid trip can be fun.

 

[Codewiz]

Robotripping is far worse and much more intense than LSD.

I have done shrooms, LSD, and robo. Robo was a horrible experience 2 out of the 3 times I tried it.. I never had a bad experience with LSD or shrooms.

 

[mattocs]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Robotripping is far worse and much more intense than LSD.

I have done shrooms, LSD, and robo. Robo was a horrible experience 2 out of the 3 times I tried it.. I never had a bad experience with LSD or shrooms.

Maybe you have never taken enough acid. Robotripping was crazy...but I have to say, that I have had some real intense acid trips that are nothing compared to robotripping.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: coldmeat

Originally posted by: tidehigh
it was made illegal to try to curb the counter culture uprising a few decades ago.

for the idiots replying, MJ was made illegal because of the mexican immigration problem in TX a few decades before that.

Then why is it illegal in Canada?

its not. much of the high grade stuff comes from canada.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
meh. I did a lot of LSD in the 70s. Smoked much weed and snorted a lot of coke too.
LSD was the bomb till we found mushrooms and mescaline.

LSD tends to exaggerate the mood you are in. Good mood, good trip. Bad mood, bad trip. You also get smart enough to solve all the worlds problems but you can't remember the fixes after you come down.

Uh, what were we talking about again?

Ha ha. Same here. I always did it in a good mood though, which was easy enough because that's my normal state anyway. I've done all of the hallucinogens, a lot, throughout the 70's and 80's. Haven't touched them since the late 80's, which is when I pretty much gave up weed too.

The most out of control trips occurred when I was doing a combination of LSD and angel dust. Major deja vu and uncontrollable out of body experiences. I did these combos a few times when I was heavily experimenting with doses and pushing my limits. I don't recommend this combo to anyone.

Even so, I don't think hallucinogens, or any drugs for that matter, should be illegal. And LSD is dangerous to yourself and others, for most of the same reasons alcohol is dangerous.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: coldmeat

Originally posted by: tidehigh
it was made illegal to try to curb the counter culture uprising a few decades ago.

for the idiots replying, MJ was made illegal because of the mexican immigration problem in TX a few decades before that.

Then why is it illegal in Canada?

its not. much of the high grade stuff comes from canada.

Posession is legal for the most part (in BC anyway) but trafficking/selling is still considered a serious crime.

KT

 

[Old Hippie]

The most out of control trips occurred when I was doing a combination of LSD and angel dust.

:shocked:

I have no doubt!

 

[JackMDS]

When One loses a leg, One knows that the leg is Not growing up again. But when people do things that damage the brain they do not see the damages, so ?out of sight out of mind? they think that everything is an OK. The main reason that Drugs makes One feel they way they do when taken is because they alter Brain Neurochemistry, and thus create an illusionary states.

These types of drugs have the very High potential to alter the Neurotransmitters, and they would stay way. I.e. altered.

Depending on the person unique Chemical equilibrium of Brian Neurochemistry. The result of playing with Drugs and chemical agents as mentioned in this thread can be from the subtle to extreme.

When taken there is always physiological outcome whether One can see it or Not. People that are knowledgeable and experience in work with people that acquire Brain Injuries can spot a person that does this stuff very easily even when the person is Not "high".

Schizophrenia?s Brain Neurochemistry has a chemical structure similar to LSD. Many years ago LSD was actually used to research Schizophrenia. This research stopped when it was apparent that it is creating more Schizophrenia and offer No cure.

There are many cases of people that became permanent Schizophrenic from one doze of LCD; others needed more ?Trips? to permanently alter the system.

So make sure that your life is organized (financial and personal affairs) with the knowledge that the next doze can do it (alter the Neurotransmitters for ever) and everything in life would be permanently different.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
When One loses a leg, One knows that the leg is Not growing up again. But when people do things that damage the brain they do not see the damages, so ?out of sight out of mind? they think that everything is an OK. The main reason that Drugs makes one feel they way they do when taken is because they alter Brain Neurochemistry, and thus create an illusionary states.

These types of drugs have the very High potential to alter the Neurotransmitters, and they would stay way. I.e. altered.

Depending on the person unique Chemical equilibrium of Brian Neurochemistry. The result of playing with Drugs and chemical agents as mentioned in this thread can be from the subtle to extreme.

When taken there is always physiological outcome whether One can see it or Not. People that are knowledgeable and experience in work with people that acquire Brain Injuries can spot a person that does this stuff very easily.

Schizophrenia?s Brain Neurochemistry has a chemical structure similar to LSD. Many years ago LSD was actually use to research Schizophrenia. This research stopped when it was apparent that it is creating more Schizophrenia and offer No cure.

There are many cases of people that became permanent Schizophrenic from one doze of LCD; others needed more ?Trips? to permanently alter the system.

So make sure that your life is organized (financial and personal affairs) with the knowledge that the next doze can do it (alter the Neurotransmitters for ever) and everything in life would be permanently different.

:roll:

One hit of LSD is not going to permafuck you.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

The most out of control trips occurred when I was doing a combination of LSD and angel dust.

:shocked:

I have no doubt!

yeah that's pretty crazy. way out of my league lol

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

The most out of control trips occurred when I was doing a combination of LSD and angel dust.

:shocked:

I have no doubt!

yeah that's pretty crazy. way out of my league lol

yea PCP is bad fing news

 

[Nitemare]

We live in a repressive society?

 

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: JackMDS
When One loses a leg, One knows that the leg is Not growing up again. But when people do things that damage the brain they do not see the damages, so ?out of sight out of mind? they think that everything is an OK. The main reason that Drugs makes one feel they way they do when taken is because they alter Brain Neurochemistry, and thus create an illusionary states.

These types of drugs have the very High potential to alter the Neurotransmitters, and they would stay way. I.e. altered.

Depending on the person unique Chemical equilibrium of Brian Neurochemistry. The result of playing with Drugs and chemical agents as mentioned in this thread can be from the subtle to extreme.

When taken there is always physiological outcome whether One can see it or Not. People that are knowledgeable and experience in work with people that acquire Brain Injuries can spot a person that does this stuff very easily.

Schizophrenia?s Brain Neurochemistry has a chemical structure similar to LSD. Many years ago LSD was actually use to research Schizophrenia. This research stopped when it was apparent that it is creating more Schizophrenia and offer No cure.

There are many cases of people that became permanent Schizophrenic from one doze of LCD; others needed more ?Trips? to permanently alter the system.

So make sure that your life is organized (financial and personal affairs) with the knowledge that the next doze can do it (alter the Neurotransmitters for ever) and everything in life would be permanently different.

:roll:

One hit of LSD is not going to permafuck you.

I guess you are familiar with medical psychiatric publications. You research thoroughly and you could not find not any evidence in the Medical literature that report Schizophrenic brake down after one Trip.

 

[JackMDS]

LOL. Actually when One participates on many OT forums there is No need to take Drugs.

Most of the Threads are just one Long Trip to No Where (like Drugs are).

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
We live in a repressive society?

Help, help, I'm bein' repressed!

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Originally posted by: Ns1
lsd is not for the noobish.

I never worked up the guts to try it. Heard a few nightmare stories of trips gone crazy. Can a bad trip actually scar you (psychologically) for life?

yes, its quite real. i had a friend in hs trip everyday to see how long it would take to not affect him. the nature of the drug is that you cant trip more by taking more, and overlapping them doesnt work either. you have to wait and start over each time, which he did for almost 2 weeks before he ended up in a hospital. he wasnt necessarily not tripping, he just had not seen reality in so long he couldnt really tell the difference. he was fucked up for years afterward, but the good news is i saw him about 10 yrs after that and he had cut his hair, gotten a job and seemed fairly "normal". we also had another friend that was the quietest, most timid person normally but would turn violent and aggressive when he tripped. i didnt trip often, it didnt do much for me. kind of make colors more vibrant and the tracers i normally see got a little more noticeable. turns out when i was 3 i was dosed from a piece of halloween candy. spent 24hrs in a detox and everything.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: mattocs

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Robotripping is far worse and much more intense than LSD.

I have done shrooms, LSD, and robo. Robo was a horrible experience 2 out of the 3 times I tried it.. I never had a bad experience with LSD or shrooms.

Maybe you have never taken enough acid. Robotripping was crazy...but I have to say, that I have had some real intense acid trips that are nothing compared to robotripping.

I have done 3 or 4 hits of acid at a time. Yes the trip was intense but nothing that was scary or out of body type experiences. They were pleasant trips. Same goes for shrooms.

However, robotripping, I did "normal" doses and I literally thought I was dead. I had weird out of body type experiences. None of it was enjoyable. I was miserable for many hours.