Why is it always the US that is expected to help the world when it comes to disasters

[Londo_Jowo]

and that is not counting all the private donations going.

I would say most country's are trying to give. we are trying to help.

Without a doubt there are private donations, I gave $50 to the Red Cross myself.

Other countries are providing aid as well.

The US military is setup to respond quickly to disasters all over the world and they usually can provide aid before the host country can mobilize their military/personnel to the disaster region.

Funny how the US military can respond so well all around the world yet laws prevent them from responding the same way within the US. Unless a governor requests assistance and gives permission for the military to respond their hands are tied.

 

[Tom]

Without a doubt there are private donations, I gave $50 to the Red Cross myself.

Other countries are providing aid as well.

The US military is setup to respond quickly to disasters all over the world and they usually can provide aid before the host country can mobilize their military/personnel to the disaster region.

Funny how the US military can respond so well all around the world yet laws prevent them from responding the same way within the US. Unless a governor requests assistance and gives permission for the military to respond their hands are tied.

On the other hand, that's a real world example of limits on Federal power and that our Constitution isn't just a piece of paper.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

According to the UN thats more than the UAE, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Spain, European Commission, Austria, Italy, Finland, Russia, Mexico, Belgium, Japan, South Africa, Singapore, Czech R, Saudi Arabia and New Zealand. Guess those countries shouldn't have bothered since what chance does the ~$80 million total donated by those countries really have at helping anyone?

http://www.unocha.org/crisis/typhoonhaiyan

Yeah, and to extend Jhhnn's "logic," what good do my tax dollars do? I mean, that relatively "small amount" can't help much or make a difference, so I should just keep it all, right?

 

[Broheim]

I don't think that's what he meant. I think he's talking about the USA's ability and willingness to respond to disasters quickly.

Which is made possible by our large military presence, particularly our Navy. Which btw also is the largest factor in the safe transit of cargo world-wide, which facilitates thre global economy for lots of countries.

Two positive factors provided for by our military, a military which we are frequently criticized for.

... but they will not lift a finger or throw a shilling to help others in need.

well he sure has a retarded way of putting it.

 

[Exterous]

On the other hand, that's a real world example of limits on Federal power and that our Constitution isn't just a piece of paper.

:thumbsup:

 

[blankslate]

Funny how the US military can respond so well all around the world yet laws prevent them from responding the same way within the US. Unless a governor requests assistance and gives permission for the military to respond their hands are tied.

The thing is the individual States' national guard components of the military aren't restricted from aiding in domestic natural disasters. It's why they should be kept in reserve and only sent overseas when absolutely necessary imo.


I'm not sure about the Reserve components though.


Also I believe it stems from the reconstruction efforts in the wake of WWII. instead of having another country go down the path of post WWI Germany the U.S. and allies helped former axis powers rebuild.

The U.S. is the only country left able and willing (more this I believe) to lend aid. Additionally when your foreign policy advertises that you're a moral paragon it's expected that you'll help out when disasters happen.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh, so you enjoy having a government which "forces" people to "contribute" to whatever goals it sees fit? The truth comes out. Not that it surprises anyone who has read your screen diarrhea over the years. Your choice of language is very telling.

Yeh, paying the lowest personal tax rates of any first world citizens is a bitch, huh, particularly for the fat cats who shape the Libertopian opinion you choke down so willingly.

I'm proud to be an American, and to pay my taxes unflinchingly to support the govt of the greatest nation on earth.

Obviously, that same sort of pride isn't shared by right wing whiners.

That's a very interesting hypothesis you have there, but as usual in your posts, it is wrong. Just last week, the American Red Cross committed an additional $5 million to the typhoon relief effort, raising the total to $11 million SO FAR JUST FROM THE RED CROSS. That's more than many nations have contributed and more is going. That's an insignificant amount? REALLY? Want to try again, sparky? Guess where that money comes from? Donations from corporations and people like me. So spare me your usual ignorant, condescending stupidity.

The only person talking out of his ass here is you with your same, tired argument "but..but...righties!" You're just a typical clueless Democrat mouthpiece that when Obama commands "Bark!," you're the first one here repeating whatever his teleprompter told him to say.

11 Meelyon dollars! Sounds like a lot of money to somebody who doesn't know better, but the damage to Philippine agriculture alone is estimated at 20X that amount-

http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-typhoon-crop-damages-worth-110-mln-fao-153549912.html

You might want to check your premises, even pay attention to the whiney OP & the political bent of the whiners who posted before I did.

You'll have to forgive JJJJhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnnn. It must be very hard seeing his heroes Obama, Reid, and Pelosi scrambling for cover as yet another Democrat plan (ACA) results in humiliation and finger pointing in his own party. He is just acting out.

Feel the need to duh-vert? Have a problem examining your own most cherished beliefs? Afraid of what you might find?

 

[Jhhnn]

You're right. We should all stop making private donations since as you said, it's not enough to make a serious difference.

You need to get over yourself.

You're arguing against words you put in my mouth, which is just another form of denial.

Giving is an act of conscience, something I do & support entirely. Crowing about it on an internet forum, as Indy did, in an attempt to discredit another person certainly isn't. It's self serving bullshit of denial, and needs to be recognized as such. He might as well just claim to have a bigger dick, obviously being one.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Yeh, paying the lowest personal tax rates of any first world citizens is a bitch, huh, particularly for the fat cats who shape the Libertopian opinion you choke down so willingly.

I'd hate to see tax rates if you and your angry, deluded ilk had their way. I wouldn't be surprised if I pay more in taxes than what you make in a year.

I'm proud to be an American, and to pay my taxes unflinchingly to support the govt of the greatest nation on earth.

Obviously, that same sort of pride isn't shared by right wing whiners.

And here we see Jhhnn's mindset once again. He's willing "to pay my taxes unflinchingly" to support his heroes who run his deity, the government. No questioning, no concerns -- he'll do what the government says! The government knows best! And with such a recent, stellar success as the ACA implementation as a shining example, who can blame him for putting his life in their hands? But I'm sure in his twisted worldview, the botched ACA implementation was the fault of Republicans and can probably be traced to Bush and Cheney, hiding in the shadows trying to sabotage all of Obama's "hard work."

I guarantee my relatives who fought in the Revolution, the Civil War, and even World War II would be appalled at what has transpired in this nation under your beloved government if they were here today. You and your ilk espouse the big government religion at the expense of personal responsibility and liberty. You and your ilk blame corporate America for every ill that befalls this country or your own personal circumstances. Everyone is a victim of [insert racism, sexism, corporatism, or any other ism] these days, to be saved by the government white knight riding in on its white steed. Your big government masters are proud of you to be sure.

11 Meelyon dollars! Sounds like a lot of money to somebody who doesn't know better, but the damage to Philippine agriculture alone is estimated at 20X that amount-

http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-typhoon-crop-damages-worth-110-mln-fao-153549912.html

You might want to check your premises, even pay attention to the whiney OP & the political bent of the whiners who posted before I did.

What a cynical, antagonistic little person you are. How delightful you must be at parties! Unfortunately for you, it sounds like you really have no clue how much $11 million CAN help with the IMMEDIATE needs of people in a MAJOR disaster. As Exterous points out, that donation ALONE is more than a long list of other nations. I'm sure in your deluded, self-centered world of liberal angst, you think the US government should be donating the ENTIRE cost of EVERY BIT of reconstruction and until it does, you deride any charitable contributions made. That's just typical of the kind of wrist-wringing, lip-biting buffoons in your party who have no concept of the real world. Time to get out of mom's basement and into the real world. You want more money to be sent to the Phillipines? Time to pull out the checkbook, sparky.

So AGAIN Jhhnn, did YOU donate to the fund? Or are you relying on your "unflinchingly paid" tax dollars to do your charity?

Feel the need to duh-vert? Have a problem examining your own most cherished beliefs? Afraid of what you might find?

No diversion here. I'm honestly sick and tired of your angry diatribes full of stupidity and idiocy, as is the entire forum. You're just an angry little man who has long been the joke of the forum, even challenging Dave's reign as the forum buffoon. People point and laugh at you as your typical posts all amount to:

"Righties bad! Big government good!"

It must really grind your gears to see your heroes on the run. I can only surmise that's why you're so angry right now.

Giving is an act of conscience, something I do & support entirely.

We know you support giving, especially when it is giving other people's money away -- either to government programs or anything else. But I digress -- multiple people call you out on the stupid remark you made, and instead of being a man and saying "You're right, I was incorrect," you circle the wagon and try defending the indefensible.

Crowing about it on an internet forum, as Indy did, in an attempt to discredit another person certainly isn't. It's self serving bullshit of denial, and needs to be recognized as such. He might as well just claim to have a bigger dick, obviously being one.

Yeah, you caught me. I have to admit the ONLY reason I donated was because I wanted to come back to AT's forums and brag about it. You're a goddamned genius, Gump!

I donate because I live very well and want to help people in distress. I donate for every major disaster, whether domestic or international in scope. Hell, if a tornado hit your hometown, I'd even help you Jhhnn, even though I think your views are incredibly despicable, short-sighted, and wrong.

At any rate, the truth is that it was yet another one of your cynical posts dismissing the fact that Republicans generally donate more (and in the process, calling them names) that caused me to post that. You'll do anything to portray the left as benevolent and the right as malevolent, and given a real-world example to the contrary, you put your tail between your legs, dismiss it and continue your normal routine. Your schtick is wearing thin with everyone. You're the angriest person on this forum by a mile and you do provide some good (unintentional) laughs, so I guess I can grant you that much.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm sure in your deluded, self-centered world of liberal angst, you think the US government should be donating the ENTIRE cost of EVERY BIT of reconstruction and until it does, you deride any charitable contributions made.

I was deriding your holier than thou attitude, which you exhibit once again, complete with false attributions & the usual straw man arguments. The only reason you claim to have donated was a lame attempt to discredit me and the fact that I support our govt's efforts wrt disaster relief in general.

It's a dandy diatribe, anyway, usually what happens when anybody gets too close to the truth of what rank & file righties believe about themselves & the world around them. You can't figure it out because your belief structure disallows that, and was created specifically to appeal to you and accomplish just that- willful blindness. It just feels good to have the certainty of truthiness, I'm sure.

Charity? Your corporate masters believe in it quite strongly, mostly as a cover for their own unfathomable greed-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...almart-for-employee-food-drive_n_4308937.html

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I was deriding your holier than thou attitude, which you exhibit once again, complete with false attributions & the usual straw man arguments. The only reason you claim to have donated was a lame attempt to discredit me and the fact that I support our govt's efforts wrt disaster relief in general.

It isn't that I don't support the government's relief efforts. It is the fact that you so easily dismissed the fact that the so called "evil righties" donate more on average than lefties. Not only that, you then went out of your way to belittle those private contributions as "not significant." That's why several people called you out on it.

I actually think it is a great use of idol military resources such as ships to send them for relief efforts. It gives our troops training, puts idol resources to work, and helps people in the process. I think it is a win all around.

It's a dandy diatribe, anyway, usually what happens when anybody gets too close to the truth of what rank & file righties believe about themselves & the world around them. You can't figure it out because your belief structure disallows that, and was created specifically to appeal to you and accomplish just that- willful blindness. It just feels good to have the certainty of truthiness, I'm sure.

The brainwashed calling others blinded/brainwashed. How rich!

Charity? Your corporate masters believe in it quite strongly, mostly as a cover for their own unfathomable greed-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...almart-for-employee-food-drive_n_4308937.html

You see, you don't know me or my views at all. You've only assumed I'm a Republican. I find both major parties utterly despicable. Both suck the teats of the their corporate overlords, but at least Republicans don't hide it. Democrats try their best to divert and hide and pretend they don't, but they're just as beholden.