Why is it always the US that is expected to help the world when it comes to disasters

[FaaR]

Is that including our deficit?

Usually when I owe money, there is always cents included as well.

Wealth and debt are two different things. Especially when the debt is in paper dollars/fiat currency, and the wealth in actual, real world assets. So quit your yammering about how bad off you are, because it's unbecoming, seriously.

 

[HeXen]

Wealth and debt are two different things. Especially when the debt is in paper dollars/fiat currency, and the wealth in actual, real world assets. So quit your yammering about how bad off you are, because it's unbecoming, seriously.

I'm not nor never said I'm bad off at all, you did and it appears only because you wanted to be condescending. That tells a lot of your character and am not enthused to see your post count rise here any further than it is.

Now that aside, if you have a high debt and real world assets then you should have a garage sale to clear your debt, so they are related to your overall wealth. If you have 4 million in assets and 2 million in debt then you certainly are not worth 4 million really. Point is, Amerca really needs to get a grip on it's debts, it's certainly not going to help the overall wealth of it's citizens nor the health of it's society.

 

[irishScott]

Because for all the rest of the world's blustering, they can't hope to the equal the US in terms of global reach.

Sure they can send money, relief teams, etc. We're the only nation on the planet that could mobilize a carrier battle group to serve as an international launch/resupply station and more than double the number of relief flights; within 48 hours.

It's like Libya. Sure the international militaries were capable in terms of training, but without us they would have run out of bombs.

We have resources that others do not. Ergo if everyone donates 10% of available resources (just pulling that number out of the air), the USA's 10% is going to blow other countries' 10% out of the water.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh look, Jhhnhnhn the idiot hack, at it again.

http://blog.dc.esri.com/2009/01/07/dataset-of-the-day-who-is-more-generous-republicans-or-democrats/

Nice apples & aardvarks attack.

What you offer does not dispute what I said in the slightest.

 

[Incorruptible]

This isn't charity or being generous at all since the government is taking money from the people to give to the Philippines. If people want to donate then let them but the government shouldn't.

And I thought according to obama the US was in sequester and severe cuts had to be made yet now these idiots can find $20 million to give away.

 

[unokitty]

http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-that-give-the-most-in-foreign-aid-statistics/

Percent of GDP Commited to Foreign Aid

1 Sweden 0.99 %
2 Norway 0.88 %
3 Denmark 0.82 %
4 Netherlands 0.80 %
5 Belgium 0.50 %
6 United Kingdom 0.48 %
7 Ireland 0.43 %
8 Finland 0.43 %
9 Spain 0.43 %
10 Switzerland 0.42 %
11 Austria 0.42 %
12 Germany 0.38 %
13 France 0.38 %
14 Canada 0.32 %
15 Australia 0.29 %
16 New Zealand 0.27 %
17 Portugal 0.25 %
18 Italy 0.21 %
19 Greece 0.20 %
20 Japan 0.20 %
21 United States 0.19 %

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Another way of looking at the same data.

Looks different this way don't it?

Uno

 

[alkemyst]

GDP is a great equalizer to the masses.

 

[Broheim]

Another way of looking at the same data.

Looks different this way don't it?

Uno

not really, the US has 100 million more people than France + UK + Germany but they still outspend you by several billion according to that chart.

 

[irishScott]

not really, the US has 100 million more people than France + UK + Germany but they still outspend you by several billion according to that chart.

So your point is other countries have to spend more of their GDP to make a fraction of the dent that the US makes?

You know you guys could always just come down to our level relative to your GDP, why do we have to come up to yours? Of course that would make you look even smaller in the international goodwill dick waving contest.

All of this is to say: The US has distributed and is distributing more aid to more countries than any other nation in the history of the world. But I guess to some people that just isn't good enough. No, they spend .01-.70% more of their GDP. They're making a bigger sacrifice to produce a lesser effect, and by God those stinking greedy Yanks just can't keep up.

 

[sandorski]

So your point is other countries have to spend more of their GDP to make a fraction of the dent that the US makes?

You know you guys could always just come down to our level relative to your GDP, why do we have to come up to yours? Of course that would make you look even smaller in the international goodwill dick waving contest.

All of this is to say: The US has distributed and is distributing more aid to more countries than any other nation in the history of the world. But I guess to some people that just isn't good enough. No, they spend .01-.70% more of their GDP. They're making a bigger sacrifice to produce a lesser effect, and by God those stinking greedy Yanks just can't keep up.

Think about what you just posted. Srsly.

 

[biostud]

So your point is other countries have to spend more of their GDP to make a fraction of the dent that the US makes?

You know you guys could always just come down to our level relative to your GDP, why do we have to come up to yours? Of course that would make you look even smaller in the international goodwill dick waving contest.

All of this is to say: The US has distributed and is distributing more aid to more countries than any other nation in the history of the world. But I guess to some people that just isn't good enough. No, they spend .01-.70% more of their GDP. They're making a bigger sacrifice to produce a lesser effect, and by God those stinking greedy Yanks just can't keep up.

It's comparing apples and oranges, claiming that US helps the most vs a single European country. You could just as well compare entire EU vs US, and then it would be US which were only making a dent.

To compare, and I think you agree, you have to negate the difference in population sizes.

 

[irishScott]

Think about what you just posted. Srsly.

Ah sandorski, your vague unsupported one liners never cease to be completely meaningless.

I think I was rather clear. US aid is the most effective aid, if that chart is any indication. If the rest of the world wants to give itself an A for effort and call us greedy or lazy or whatever it's certainly welcome to; but it reeks of inferiority complex.

 

[irishScott]

It's comparing apples and oranges, claiming that US helps the most vs a single European country. You could just as well compare entire EU vs US, and then it would be US which were only making a dent.

To compare, and I think you agree, you have to negate the difference in population sizes.

Depends on what you're comparing. When the European Union becomes a country you'll have a point. Until then they're simply a bunch of countries who agreed to use the same currency out of convenience, and if we're comparing aid/nation, and not aid/nation vs aid/economic zone, there you go.

I also don't see the EU mobilizing its carrier battle group that it had nearby to multiply the number of rescue flights and deliver aid, nor do I see them developing such capabilities even if they did become a country.

 

[sandorski]

Ah sandorski, your vague unsupported one liners never cease to be completely meaningless.

I think I was rather clear. US aid is the most effective aid, if that chart is any indication. If the rest of the world wants to give itself an A for effort and call us greedy or lazy or whatever it's certainly welcome to; but it reeks of inferiority complex.

In what way?

It's not about inferiority, it's about constant whining based on utter ignorance and arrogance.

 

[Broheim]

So your point is other countries have to spend more of their GDP to make a fraction of the dent that the US makes?

You know you guys could always just come down to our level relative to your GDP, why do we have to come up to yours? Of course that would make you look even smaller in the international goodwill dick waving contest.

All of this is to say: The US has distributed and is distributing more aid to more countries than any other nation in the history of the world. But I guess to some people that just isn't good enough. No, they spend .01-.70% more of their GDP. They're making a bigger sacrifice to produce a lesser effect, and by God those stinking greedy Yanks just can't keep up.

you do realize that the EU itself has a foreign aid budget of $72 billion, which is managed by the EU. Disregarding that number because we don't put a hat on the EU that says government just shows how far you Americans are willing to go to maintain your image of American exceptionalism. This isn't about who has the biggest symbolic penis, this thread is all about Americans waving their pecker around like it's the greatest thing in the world and disregarding Europe's larger dick because it's not circumcised...

 

[WelshBloke]

So your point is other countries have to spend more of their GDP to make a fraction of the dent that the US makes? ...

I think that the point is that the OP was wrong when he suggested that Europeans would just sit back and drink tea and not send any aid.

It's very likely that some of us will be drinking tea but that's never stopped us from doing anything else.

 

[HTFOff]

On the internet (which you can thank america for :thumbsup two things are absolute.

1. Pornography.

2. A segment of europeans known universally as "eurotrash" and their hard-on for uncle sam.

 

[FaaR]

You know you guys could always just come down to our level relative to your GDP, why do we have to come up to yours? Of course that would make you look even smaller in the international goodwill dick waving contest.

Ok, so if an american dick is 19 centimeters, and a swedish dick is 99cm; since there are 300 million americans vs 9.5 million swedes, that means american males have ~6x bigger dick than swedes. Interesting math you propose.

...Not worth dick though.

 

[Exterous]

In what way?

It's not about inferiority, it's about constant whining based on utter ignorance and arrogance.

I'd be willing to bet that the large number of bases, heavy lift aircraft, vertical take off and landing aircraft (Ospreys), and large navy allows us to effectively get critical aid supplies (food, medicine, shelter) to location significantly faster in the hours/days immediately following a disaster when they are most critically needed than anyone else in a large number of situations. We had already delivered ~ 110,000lbs of supplies the evening of Nov 11th

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I'd be willing to bet that the large number of bases, heavy lift aircraft, vertical take off and landing aircraft (Ospreys), and large navy allows us to effectively get critical aid supplies (food, medicine, shelter) to location significantly faster in the hours/days immediately following a disaster when they are most critically needed than anyone else in a large number of situations. We had already delivered ~ 110,000lbs of supplies the evening of Nov 11th

During the 2004 Tsunami, US forces were on the ground providing aid before Indonesian forces/aid personnel could think about mobilizing much less doing so. Most of the foreign aid that was sent in via normal routes/channels was hoarded/sold and never made it to the people who needed it.

 

[bshole]

I also don't see the EU mobilizing its carrier battle group that it had nearby to multiply the number of rescue flights and deliver aid, nor do I see them developing such capabilities even if they did become a country.

You also don't see the E.U. initiating wars that ruin countries, create anarchy and leave millions of dead and homeless. All the good America has done pales in comparison to the evil we have done.

 

[biostud]

You also don't see the E.U. initiating wars that ruin countries, create anarchy and leave millions of dead and homeless. All the good America has done pales in comparison to the evil we have done.

No, that was during our colonial era we did that.

 

[Tom]

we'll give the rest of the world more money when you Americans hand all your land back to the native Americans and leave their country.

Europeans took far more native American lands than the United States did.

 

[Tom]

You also don't see the E.U. initiating wars that ruin countries, create anarchy and leave millions of dead and homeless. All the good America has done pales in comparison to the evil we have done.

Really ? What about WW2 ? WW1 ? India/Pakistan partition ? Dividing up the Middle East ? The Crusades ? The destruction and enslavement of North and South American culture and people ?

The colonization of Africa ? Enslavement of Africans ? Southeast Asia ?

All created by the EU countries.

For that matter, the EU is responsible for the creation of the United States, so if you think we're so bad that's also on Europe's head.

 

[Tom]

you do realize that the EU itself has a foreign aid budget of $72 billion, which is managed by the EU. Disregarding that number because we don't put a hat on the EU that says government just shows how far you Americans are willing to go to maintain your image of American exceptionalism. This isn't about who has the biggest symbolic penis, this thread is all about Americans waving their pecker around like it's the greatest thing in the world and disregarding Europe's larger dick because it's not circumcised...

The vast majority of EU aid goes to countries that are f'ed up because the EU countries f'ed them up.

Two of the biggest threats to world security, India/Pakistan, and the Middle East, are both the result of EU countries' past practices.