Why is immigration even an issue?

[Fanatical Meat]

That's funny because a bi partisan bill in the senate was passed that made e-verify mandatory. You know about e-verify right? The program that helps employers determine if someone is here legally. Yeah, that bill would make its use a requirement.

https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...44-understanding-2013-senate-immigration-bill

So I'm not sure what you mean by "no politician would support that".

e-verify does not involve fines other than compliance fines. We were talking about massive fines to Companies that hire illegals.

 

[glenn1]

What this is really about is white people freaking out they won't be the majority anymore.

You couldn't be more wrong. I'd gladly take every Mexican or whatever nationality and deport every single white welfare recipient if I could. This isn't about race or ethnicity, it's about not screwing other legal immigrants because you think the laws don't apply to you. I'd be perfectly content to remove all immigration laws altogether since open borders and a welfare state are mutually incompatible.

 

[Zaap]

There are also plenty of Muslims who are in this country legal and who have nothing to do with terrorism and you support a candidate that wishes to paint with broad stokes.

You are right, it's tired old bullshit! So why do you support a candidate who is using it?

STFU shame.
You're about the dumbest dipshit on this board. You don't know what candidate I support.

And stuff your Muslim fear crap where the sun doesn't shine you fucking idiot.

 

[michal1980]

There are also plenty of Muslims who are in this country legal and who have nothing to do with terrorism and you support a candidate that wishes to paint with broad stokes.

You are right, it's tired old bullshit! So why do you support a candidate who is using it?

Hilary claims that half of the people not voting for her are deplorable. So I'm guessing your not supporting her because of that broad stroke?

 

[1sikbITCH]

I thought my opinion was crystal clear. Hell yes the U.S. born children of illegal immigrants should accompany them upon deportation for moral and social reasons and I find personally feel any parents who indicated a desire to have their children remain without them aren't fit to be parents anyway.

That being said if the children are citizens I'm okay with them staying but they would need to assert that desire themselves independent of any input from the parents, *and* have someone who can assume legal guardianship for them until age of majority, *and* formally forego any special claims to allow their parents to stay now or seek them to gain entry again via anything but legal means and under special scrutiny they obey all immigration laws.

Since the children are citizens they will be remanded to Social Services and placed into foster homes. This means the government foots the bill for the children of 11 million illegals until age 18 when those millions of children go on to commit a higher than average amount of crimes than kids not in foster care meaning more of them end up in prison and the streets where we will continue to pay for them.
That's a hell of a socialist program. Maybe you should have come out for Bernie

 

[brycejones]

Hilary claims that half of the people not voting for her are deplorable. So I'm guessing your not supporting her because of that broad stroke?

Actually you got that wrong....

She had said that half of Trump supporters are deplorable. Since there are two other minor party candidates in the race by definition half of Trump supporters will be less than half of the people who vote for her.

And she actually apologized for it the next day which is something an adult does when they realize they said the wrong thing. When was the last time the TRUMP apologized for anything?

So yes she was wrong to say it but owned it time to move on.

 

[MajinCry]

Your whole "because native americans" bullshit is fucking tired.

Plenty of people immigrate here legally and have nothing what-so-ever to do with what was done to native Americans (as if that was a valid, non-retarded argument in the first place in the current immigration debate.) Get your head out of your ass and actually into the 21st century already before chiming in with that tired old bullshit.

Aren't you a ray of sunshine?

You'll find that Native Americans suffer quiiiiiiite a bit in today's society; it ain't just relegated to the 1600s when Columbus came. I've touched on it often enough that you seem to find that it grates your nerves, so you do know that they go through quite an ordeal. Not sticking your head in the sand and flippin' them the bird would do you well.

You have also missed the point I was making. I stated it clearly; the thought process the anti-illegal lads possess was stated to be that illegals and their descendants should be deported. Apply that without racial bias, and away goes much of America's current population. But that's inconvenient, to the point of personal offense, as you've demonstrated.


To clarify my stance on immigration, people should not be allowed to enter a country en masse, to the point that infrastructure overflows. Immigrants should go through official channels, and if there are those found that haven't, then they should undergo them as well; merely put them through the same process as a legal immigrant, to ensure that they're documented members of society.

If they're found to be rapacious, murderous and such, then they should be deported. If they aren't, no biggie, now they're legal. If they have fled horrific circumstances, and were unable to immigrate legally as a result (money, time, persecution, etc), then we grant them asylum.

What shouldn't happen, is chuck out all the yellers 'cause they's not white like native Americans. The irony, is that native Americans aren't Native Americans, and the latter have suffered much due to the former, whom also partake in a society founded and maintained by illegals. Case in point, it's not Native American governments that govern America.


It'd be fairly disappointing if I truly had to explain this to you.

 

[highland145]

So 87 pages later, is allowing illegals in anything more that pumping up the D vote?

They suck resources and don't provide a + resource use and a net income result.

Simple questions....

 

[MongGrel]

Feel free to deport whoever you can find alive that broke the immigration laws in place from Native Americans at the time. Then next you can work on reparations for anyone who was enslaved that is still alive.
Honestly dude do you even give a fvck about our immigration laws or do you support totally open borders? The latter that's fine it just means that we can hired no longer illegal and forget about all those welfare people and their f****** problems. Leave them to rot and not the immigrants do all the work. Maybe if we're lucky our welfare recipients will immigrate to other countries.

Wow, that sounds so ignorant it is ridiculous.

Immigration laws in place at the time, hahahaha.

 

[michal1980]

Actually you got that wrong....

She had said that half of Trump supporters are deplorable. Since there are two other minor party candidates in the race by definition half of Trump supporters will be less than half of the people who vote for her.

And she actually apologized for it the next day which is something an adult does when they realize they said the wrong thing. When was the last time the TRUMP apologized for anything?

So yes she was wrong to say it but owned it time to move on.

her apology was not an apology.

You must also believe she setup a private email sever so that she could only use one device, and she wiped it with a cloth.

 

[flexy]

Oh hell yeah!

Now we know why Repubs and Trumpitards hate illegals so much. Because, you know, "they" truckin' them in (respective "allow them" ) simply to get Dem votes", didn't you know?

And explain how they merely "suck resources"? It is not that I "welcome" illegal immigrants by any means, but is "cheap labor" not a resource? The entire wild capitalist system DEPENDS on cheap labor, so the notion they merely suck resources is absurd.
Besides, they *do* pay taxes eg. when they purchase things, pay rent etc.etc . Seeing that illegals we can assume get usually paid VERY LITTLE, yet pay the same taxes when purchasing goods, so basically pay into the system as well, PLUS actually bring in their labor as a resource....the notion they benefit the system more than actually hurt it is not far fetched.

 

[ivwshane]

e-verify does not involve fines other than compliance fines. We were talking about massive fines to Companies that hire illegals.

Yeah, that's the current setup but as I tried to explain to you, it's not what the purpose setup was. So you've now gone from stating that no politician would support holding businesses accountable to the fines aren't big enough. Why don't you figure out what the fuck your argument is before wasting more of everyone's time?

What are the sanctions for those who do not comply with the new requirements?

Employers who knowingly hire, recruit, refer, or continue to employ an unauthorized immigrant or fail to comply with E-Verify requirements are subject to increased civil or criminal penalties. Civil fines are increased up to $25,000 per violation for employers that have committed multiple violations related to hiring unauthorized immigrants. Criminal penalties include two years in prison for employers who have repeatedly hired unauthorized workers, in addition to fines of up to $10,000. Employers who comply with the system’s requirements in good faith will not be penalized if DHS later determines that they have employed an unauthorized worker.

Prison seems like a pretty big deal to me!

 

[highland145]

shittastic just went crazy.

 

[highland145]

PLUS actually bring in their labor as a resource
Hmm, we could offer ours jobs or cut off their checks...maybe.

 

[Jhhnn]

You couldn't be more wrong. I'd gladly take every Mexican or whatever nationality and deport every single white welfare recipient if I could. This isn't about race or ethnicity, it's about not screwing other legal immigrants because you think the laws don't apply to you. I'd be perfectly content to remove all immigration laws altogether since open borders and a welfare state are mutually incompatible.

How many people do you figure that might be?

A quick google revealed that would be ~67M people who received benefits in 2015, over 20% of the population. Just kick 'em when they're down, right? Helluva way to grow an economy.

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html

Perhaps you can explain how undocumented immigrants are screwing those with documentation.

Or just show us on the doll where the evil brown people touched you...

 

[highland145]

The entire wild capitalist system DEPENDS on cheap labor, so the notion they merely suck resources is absurd.

Huh, I would patronize a business that you were materially invested in and working at.

My guess is that my $$ is safe.

 

[highland145]

Help me out, flexy. What business can you put up if I am going to put up my $$.


Simple.

 

[Victorian Gray]

How many people do you figure that might be?

A quick google revealed that would be ~67M people who received benefits in 2015, over 20% of the population. Just kick 'em when they're down, right? Helluva way to grow an economy.

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html

Perhaps you can explain how undocumented immigrants are screwing those with documentation.

Or just show us on the doll where the evil brown people touched you...

He read Rand when he was 12 and it stuck?