Why is fluoride forced upon something so important as our water?

[nova2]

isn't fluoride in toothpaste easily enough? EG: most of Europe does not fluoridate their water.

take note of DMFT(Decayed, Missing & Filled teeth) rates of the US, compared to other contries that do and don't fluoridate their water:
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/teeth/caries/who-dmft.html

Fluoride's primary 'benefits' are topical, not systemic. There is no need to swallow fluoride.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/teeth/caries/topical-systemic.html

update: however, ingestion of tiny amounts fluoride may benefit young babys/kids with new and forming teeth, they may want it if they do much sipping of sugar rich drinks, or eat many sodium rich foods. but do heed possible side effects.

I'd appreciate your serious replys.

punches you with some of the best info they have on the front page
http://www.fluoridealert.org/

HARVARD STUDY: Strong Link Between Fluoridated Water and Bone Cancer in Boys
http://www.ewg.org/issues/fluoride/20060405/index.php

Adverse Health Effects - A Chronology of Fluoridation by Val Valerian
http://www.curezone.com/dental/fluoride.asp (thanks piasabird)

Vice President of EPA's Scientist Union Testifies Against Fluoridation
http://www.fluoridealert.org/testimony.htm

http://www.sonic.net/~kryptox/history/covert.htm
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller17.html
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/teeth/caries/topical-systemic.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation
http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm
http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm#appendix1
http://www.google.com/search?&q=fluoride%20toxicity
http://www.just-think-it.com/the-f-db.htm (list of citys/etc that fluoridate their water)

thanks.

 

[Screech]

The communists are trying to contaminate our precious bodily fluids.

 

[nova2]

that doesn't help.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: screech
The communists are trying to contaminate our precious bodily fluids.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: screech
The communists are trying to contaminate our precious bodily fluids.

Better drink only clear grain alcohol then.

 

[EatSpam]

Big government interference. I don't see why people just can't use topical flouride solutions and flouridated toothpaste if they want the benefits of flouride.

This is actually going to bring out a lot of people calling you crazy for daring to question this cultural norm. We've always been taught that flouride in our water is doubleplusgood, so if you question it, you must be a nutcase.

 

[nova2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation#United_States

US cultural norm? not quite.

"By 2002, 67% of Americans are living in communities with fluoridated water"

it was easy for me to find various info regarding it, and other countries thoughts and use/non-use of it.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: nova2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation#United_States

US cultural norm? not quite.

"By 2002, 67% of Americans are living in communities with fluoridated water"

it was easy for me to find various info regarding it, and other countries thoughts and use/non-use of it.

Sure, if you have well water. But most areas with public water are flouridated. In Illinois, its mandatory.

 

[nova2]

uh, anyways.

That isn't regarding why it is in the drinking water when its application is topical and not systemic.

 

[techs]

In a recent discussion(?) with my dentist (he talked, I had that tube thing in my mouth) he said he thought our town should have flouridated water(we don't).
He said that dentists that practiced in both areas, with and without, notice a large difference in number of cavities.
For my part, I wonder if it is the American diet and habits that make flouridation so effective in the US while some other countries that don't flouridate have the same or fewer cavities than Americans.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Big government interference. I don't see why people just can't use topical flouride solutions and flouridated toothpaste if they want the benefits of flouride.

This is actually going to bring out a lot of people calling you crazy for daring to question this cultural norm. We've always been taught that flouride in our water is doubleplusgood, so if you question it, you must be a nutcase.

fluoride helps tooth enamel topically and systemically. if applied on your tooth via toothpaste, a fluoride rinse that you expectorate, or a gel applied at the dentist's office it is helping to strengthen your enamel on the surface.

if you ingest fluoride via the water or tablets/liquid that young children are prescribed you are helping to strengthen the tooth on the inside. why do we just prescribe extra fluoride to children 12 and under? because that is when the fluoride is most needed. that is when there is developmental stages of the teeth going on beneath the gum and systemic ingestion is the only way these developing teeth are going to benefit.

i have read articles, journals, magazines, and attended many classes on the topic of fluoride. after compiling all those facts and all that data i still drink fluoridated water because it is beneficial.

 

[nova2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation#Fluoride_causes_health_problems

this is one part that is unfortunate.

and also that you can't easily know which water is fluoridated and which is not.

not all people need that Great Excellent Extra ProtectionTM R! because they brush their teeth regularly, and don't constantly sip sugar richs drinks or rich in sodium.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: nova2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation#Fluoride_causes_health_problems

this is the part that is unfortunate.

1. Wikipedia is not like an encyclopedia. Don't hold all that is on there as gospel. It is a wiki after all. Also, read the disclaimer at the top of the page you linked.

The neutrality of this article is disputed.
Please see the discussion on the talk page.
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Please discuss this issue on the talk page, or replace this tag with a more specific message. Editing help is available.
This article has been tagged since May 23, 2006.

I would highly suggest the author of this wikipedia page is spreading propaganda, and publishing untruths.

2. Fluorosis comes from ingesting too much floride and the teeth become brittle or pitted. You cannot get fluorosis from topical applications unless you were to swallow them.
I have never seen a case of fluorosis as severe as what they are showing on the page you linked.
I have seen less decay in those who drink fluoridated water.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Big government interference. I don't see why people just can't use topical flouride solutions and flouridated toothpaste if they want the benefits of flouride.

This is actually going to bring out a lot of people calling you crazy for daring to question this cultural norm. We've always been taught that flouride in our water is doubleplusgood, so if you question it, you must be a nutcase.

fluoride helps tooth enamel topically and systemically. if applied on your tooth via toothpaste, a fluoride rinse that you expectorate, or a gel applied at the dentist's office it is helping to strengthen your enamel on the surface.

if you ingest fluoride via the water or tablets/liquid that young children are prescribed you are helping to strengthen the tooth on the inside. why do we just prescribe extra fluoride to children 12 and under? because that is when the fluoride is most needed. that is when there is developmental stages of the teeth going on beneath the gum and systemic ingestion is the only way these developing teeth are going to benefit.

i have read articles, journals, magazines, and attended many classes on the topic of fluoride. after compiling all those facts and all that data i still drink fluoridated water because it is beneficial.

I'm not claiming that it isn't beneficial - I just question why it needs to be in the water when there are other methods of delivery that don't require medicating the whole population.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Big government interference. I don't see why people just can't use topical flouride solutions and flouridated toothpaste if they want the benefits of flouride.

This is actually going to bring out a lot of people calling you crazy for daring to question this cultural norm. We've always been taught that flouride in our water is doubleplusgood, so if you question it, you must be a nutcase.

fluoride helps tooth enamel topically and systemically. if applied on your tooth via toothpaste, a fluoride rinse that you expectorate, or a gel applied at the dentist's office it is helping to strengthen your enamel on the surface.

if you ingest fluoride via the water or tablets/liquid that young children are prescribed you are helping to strengthen the tooth on the inside. why do we just prescribe extra fluoride to children 12 and under? because that is when the fluoride is most needed. that is when there is developmental stages of the teeth going on beneath the gum and systemic ingestion is the only way these developing teeth are going to benefit.

i have read articles, journals, magazines, and attended many classes on the topic of fluoride. after compiling all those facts and all that data i still drink fluoridated water because it is beneficial.

I'm not claiming that it isn't beneficial - I just question why it needs to be in the water when there are other methods of delivery that don't require medicating the whole population.

i guess you aren't reading me.

what other method would there be to get the population to receive systemic fluoride?

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Big government interference. I don't see why people just can't use topical flouride solutions and flouridated toothpaste if they want the benefits of flouride.

This is actually going to bring out a lot of people calling you crazy for daring to question this cultural norm. We've always been taught that flouride in our water is doubleplusgood, so if you question it, you must be a nutcase.

fluoride helps tooth enamel topically and systemically. if applied on your tooth via toothpaste, a fluoride rinse that you expectorate, or a gel applied at the dentist's office it is helping to strengthen your enamel on the surface.

if you ingest fluoride via the water or tablets/liquid that young children are prescribed you are helping to strengthen the tooth on the inside. why do we just prescribe extra fluoride to children 12 and under? because that is when the fluoride is most needed. that is when there is developmental stages of the teeth going on beneath the gum and systemic ingestion is the only way these developing teeth are going to benefit.

i have read articles, journals, magazines, and attended many classes on the topic of fluoride. after compiling all those facts and all that data i still drink fluoridated water because it is beneficial.

I'm not claiming that it isn't beneficial - I just question why it needs to be in the water when there are other methods of delivery that don't require medicating the whole population.

i guess you aren't reading me.

what other method would there be to get the population to receive systemic fluoride?

Why should the government be concerned with what I do with my teeth? That's my question. I don't like some government beaurocrat making decisions involving my health.

Those who want or need flouride can use topical gels, ingest flouride tablets, and whatever else their dentist recommends - the dentist being the proper person to advise people on their dental health, not the government.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Big government interference. I don't see why people just can't use topical flouride solutions and flouridated toothpaste if they want the benefits of flouride.

This is actually going to bring out a lot of people calling you crazy for daring to question this cultural norm. We've always been taught that flouride in our water is doubleplusgood, so if you question it, you must be a nutcase.

fluoride helps tooth enamel topically and systemically. if applied on your tooth via toothpaste, a fluoride rinse that you expectorate, or a gel applied at the dentist's office it is helping to strengthen your enamel on the surface.

if you ingest fluoride via the water or tablets/liquid that young children are prescribed you are helping to strengthen the tooth on the inside. why do we just prescribe extra fluoride to children 12 and under? because that is when the fluoride is most needed. that is when there is developmental stages of the teeth going on beneath the gum and systemic ingestion is the only way these developing teeth are going to benefit.

i have read articles, journals, magazines, and attended many classes on the topic of fluoride. after compiling all those facts and all that data i still drink fluoridated water because it is beneficial.

I'm not claiming that it isn't beneficial - I just question why it needs to be in the water when there are other methods of delivery that don't require medicating the whole population.

i guess you aren't reading me.

what other method would there be to get the population to receive systemic fluoride?

Why should the government be concerned with what I do with my teeth? That's my question. I don't like some government beaurocrat making decisions involving my health.

Those who want or need flouride can use topical gels, ingest flouride tablets, and whatever else their dentist recommends - the dentist being the proper person to advise people on their dental health, not the government.

it's always the same with you.

seatbelt laws are good, set speed limits are good, fluoridating our water supply at a safe level, 1 ppm, is good. i don't mind our government doing good things.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Big government interference. I don't see why people just can't use topical flouride solutions and flouridated toothpaste if they want the benefits of flouride.

This is actually going to bring out a lot of people calling you crazy for daring to question this cultural norm. We've always been taught that flouride in our water is doubleplusgood, so if you question it, you must be a nutcase.

fluoride helps tooth enamel topically and systemically. if applied on your tooth via toothpaste, a fluoride rinse that you expectorate, or a gel applied at the dentist's office it is helping to strengthen your enamel on the surface.

if you ingest fluoride via the water or tablets/liquid that young children are prescribed you are helping to strengthen the tooth on the inside. why do we just prescribe extra fluoride to children 12 and under? because that is when the fluoride is most needed. that is when there is developmental stages of the teeth going on beneath the gum and systemic ingestion is the only way these developing teeth are going to benefit.

i have read articles, journals, magazines, and attended many classes on the topic of fluoride. after compiling all those facts and all that data i still drink fluoridated water because it is beneficial.

I'm not claiming that it isn't beneficial - I just question why it needs to be in the water when there are other methods of delivery that don't require medicating the whole population.

i guess you aren't reading me.

what other method would there be to get the population to receive systemic fluoride?

Why should the government be concerned with what I do with my teeth? That's my question. I don't like some government beaurocrat making decisions involving my health.

Those who want or need flouride can use topical gels, ingest flouride tablets, and whatever else their dentist recommends - the dentist being the proper person to advise people on their dental health, not the government.

it's always the same with you.

seatbelt laws are good, set speed limits are good, fluoridating our water supply at a safe level, 1 ppm, is good. i don't mind our government doing good things.

Considering you're a Bush and Iraq war supporter (or were at one point), I think you and I disagree on what constitutes "good things" done by government.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Big government interference. I don't see why people just can't use topical flouride solutions and flouridated toothpaste if they want the benefits of flouride.

This is actually going to bring out a lot of people calling you crazy for daring to question this cultural norm. We've always been taught that flouride in our water is doubleplusgood, so if you question it, you must be a nutcase.

fluoride helps tooth enamel topically and systemically. if applied on your tooth via toothpaste, a fluoride rinse that you expectorate, or a gel applied at the dentist's office it is helping to strengthen your enamel on the surface.

if you ingest fluoride via the water or tablets/liquid that young children are prescribed you are helping to strengthen the tooth on the inside. why do we just prescribe extra fluoride to children 12 and under? because that is when the fluoride is most needed. that is when there is developmental stages of the teeth going on beneath the gum and systemic ingestion is the only way these developing teeth are going to benefit.

i have read articles, journals, magazines, and attended many classes on the topic of fluoride. after compiling all those facts and all that data i still drink fluoridated water because it is beneficial.

I'm not claiming that it isn't beneficial - I just question why it needs to be in the water when there are other methods of delivery that don't require medicating the whole population.

i guess you aren't reading me.

what other method would there be to get the population to receive systemic fluoride?

Why should the government be concerned with what I do with my teeth? That's my question. I don't like some government beaurocrat making decisions involving my health.

Those who want or need flouride can use topical gels, ingest flouride tablets, and whatever else their dentist recommends - the dentist being the proper person to advise people on their dental health, not the government.

it's always the same with you.

seatbelt laws are good, set speed limits are good, fluoridating our water supply at a safe level, 1 ppm, is good. i don't mind our government doing good things.

Considering you're a Bush and Iraq war supporter (or were at one point), I think you and I disagree on what constitutes "good things" done by government.

nice spin.

i've stated 3 things i thought our government was doing that were good. you didn't have to bring up anything else, but it's typical you.

 

[nova2]

well anyways, as long as I live long 'enough' and accomplish various goals, and fluoridation doesn't screw my plans significantly somehow -- good.

but I do agree with EatS.

"honey did you take your fluoridation tablet today?"
lol. j/k, whatever some want, just don't fluoridate my water.

thanks all.

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Why should the government be concerned with what I do with my teeth? That's my question. I don't like some government beaurocrat making decisions involving my health.

Those who want or need flouride can use topical gels, ingest flouride tablets, and whatever else their dentist recommends - the dentist being the proper person to advise people on their dental health, not the government.

They are not concerned with what you do to your teeth. They are just providing you with all the help you can get. If you decide not to brush, floss, visit the dentist that is up to you and I am pretty sure the government could care less.

"I don't like some government beaurocrat making decisions involving my health."

Like with the EPA, or the FDA? Because while not everything either of those two organizations do are good, for the most part they are making decisions that involves your, my and everyone's health.

As far as the topical vs. systemic debate my question is this: when you drink water do you use your mouth? If so, does any of the water touch your teeth? Do you think that any of the fluoride gets on your teeth?

 

[JEDIYoda]

I rememebr the Ferengi Unprosing on Riouz3.....

If memory serves me correctly it was due to the federation secretly adding flouride to there drinking water...

 

[ECUHITMAN]

What are you just cut and pasting the same thing into each thread?

 

[nova2]

nah, swallowing (systemic) the fluoride is what I'd personally like to avoid. my choice. I can choose to get fluoride in my toothpaste. thanks, that's plenty.
i don't care to have Great Extra Protection! TM R for my teeth via fluoride, until I change my mind about it.

others who sip sugar richs drinks much or eat a lot of sodium rich foods, may want fluoride tablets. their choice.

making a choice for all people and putting it in something so important as water, is, imo, quite unfortunate. stick with the absolute essentials for clean water, please, and not your additives for dental health.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Why should the government be concerned with what I do with my teeth? That's my question. I don't like some government beaurocrat making decisions involving my health.

Those who want or need flouride can use topical gels, ingest flouride tablets, and whatever else their dentist recommends - the dentist being the proper person to advise people on their dental health, not the government.

They are not concerned with what you do to your teeth. They are just providing you with all the help you can get. If you decide not to brush, floss, visit the dentist that is up to you and I am pretty sure the government could care less.

Well, the government says that "flouride promotes strong teeth" as their reasoning for putting it in the water. So it sounds like they do care about my "strong teeth." But I'd appreciate if they left my "strong teeth" up to me and my dentist.

"I don't like some government beaurocrat making decisions involving my health."

Like with the EPA, or the FDA? Because while not everything either of those two organizations do are good, for the most part they are making decisions that involves your, my and everyone's health.

I can take the drugs my doctors can prescribe or not. I can't avoid drinking water, bathing in the water, etc. Not realistic.