Why is Bush so Popular??

[Texmaster]

<< My point is that if you are going to insult someone's acheivements, even (or should that be especially) someone you don't like, then you ought to have some acheivements of your own beforehand. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrite. >>



And my point was basing someone's intelligence soley on their academic status is Moronic but apparantly and predictibly you missed that.

 

[ShallowHal]

[... BTW I voted for Nadar.[/i] >>



The Bush camp should buy you a drink

 

[Vic]

<< You called me an idiot for spreading lies. As far as I know Clinton was disbarred for commiting perjury. I never said he didn't have good grades in school. >>



Yes, that is what he was disbarred for. But being disbarred does not make a rap sheet. He was not convicted of perjury (convictions do make a rap sheet) because the method by which the perjury was obtained, called a "perjury trap," is inadmissable in all 50 states and DC.

/edit: and I didn't call you an "idiot." I never once used that word.



<< And my point was basing someone's intelligence soley on their academic status is Moronic but apparantly and predictibly you missed that. >>



"Predictibly" ... nice... we've never debated before and you're already making broad assumptions? I see that you must make a lot of them, because I wasn't debating anyone's intelligence, I was debating why you shouldn't knock another's acheivements if you don't have any similar acheivements of your own.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

<< Not too long ago many still thought that GW had ascended to the Presidency under less than honourable circumstances. He seem bumbling and weak. After Sept 11th though, things changed. Many Presidents enjoy a huge boost during "war"-time, but this usually fades quite quickly. It is several months since anything real happended in the War on Terrorism and GW still enjoys an 85% approval (which is a staggering figure). Could this approval rating be related to the defeat of the Taliban (no great accomplishment by anyone's standards), the disorganization that has been caused to Al-Queda (which appears to be huge if you believe the American media), or is it deeper than that? My feeling is that the approval rating started with the war campaign, but now it has focused on something else. After cerebral leaders like Clinton, the US is ready for someone who is a bit more down to earth. Basically, he seems to be "of the people" and as a result he provides plain speak on many issues and that seems to resonate with most Americans (while making the Elite grimace). So what are your thoughts on why GW is still enjoying huge approval ratings? N >>



Perhaps he was never as bumbling and weak as the opposition would have liked us to think. Nevertheless, many people "find" themselves in times of crisis. I admire his development of character. Others do as well. Now for Clinton being intelligent, ok he was smart. To quote Bruce Willis "Whoop-de-doo MoFo". There are people smarter than Clinton in this world, and most would make piss poor presidents. It is a matter of where ambitions lie. Does the person serve the country or himself? Does he make the right choices? Does he possess wisdom? Can he understand people or does he feel so above everyone else that the motivations and feelings of others that he loses perspective? I hated the "I feel your pain" crap. No one feels/shares/knows your pain unless they have been there. Even then, everyone feels his or her own pain their own way. Clinton was too manipulative for me. If you liked the man that is OK. That is why we have elections. And no, GW isn't a saint. Nor a genius. I think that what he is for all his faults, is the better man. Especially for the times.

 

[Napalm]

Perhaps he was never as bumbling and weak as the opposition would have liked us to think. Nevertheless, many people "find" themselves in times of crisis. I admire his development of character. Others do as well. Now for Clinton being intelligent, ok he was smart. To quote Bruce Willis "Whoop-de-doo MoFo". There are people smarter than Clinton in this world, and most would make piss poor presidents. It is a matter of where ambitions lie. Does the person serve the country or himself? Does he make the right choices? Does he possess wisdom? Can he understand people or does he feel so above everyone else that the motivations and feelings of others that he loses perspective? I hated the "I feel your pain" crap. No one feels/shares/knows your pain unless they have been there. Even then, everyone feels his or her own pain their own way. Clinton was too manipulative for me. If you liked the man that is OK. That is why we have elections. And no, GW isn't a saint. Nor a genius. I think that what he is for all his faults, is the better man. Especially for the times.

Well said. Perhaps Texmaster should check it out as an example of a reasoned opinion if he has the attention span...

N

 

[UltraQuiet]

OK you've had your chance.



<< What rap sheet? In case you forgot, he wasn't convicted >>


You're right he wasn't convicted, he admiited to it. He was cited for civil contempt and fined $90K. He later got this fine reduced to $25k. However this is what led to being disbarred in AK and later the Supreme Court. I don't know if he has an actual rap sheet but he certainly commited crimes didn't he.


<< Let me give you advice. If you can't disprove something except by lying, slanderizing, or bashing, then concede the point. When you lie about or attack an obvious and known truth, your entire credibility goes down the crapper.--but I hate idiots who lie and obscure the truth in order to spread their filth. If you can't tell the truth, don't post. >>


Now let me give you some advice. Before you come on here and call someone an idiot, you little b!tch, take the advice you tried to give to me, and apply it where it is needed, to yourself. When you do that and you have a solid argument, then you can come in here and call people names and lecture them. Until then STFU.

 

[IamDavid]

I changed my mind of him right after the attacks. When he was sitting in front of the class of young kids you could see the pain in the mans face. He felt exactly as we all did yet he had the composer to sit in front of the class for what had to of seemed like hours with out scaring the kids.. Or the rest of us.

 

[NFS4]

<< Perhaps he was never as bumbling and weak as the opposition would have liked us to think. Nevertheless, many people "find" themselves in times of crisis. I admire his development of character. Others do as well. Now for Clinton being intelligent, ok he was smart. To quote Bruce Willis "Whoop-de-doo MoFo". There are people smarter than Clinton in this world, and most would make piss poor presidents. It is a matter of where ambitions lie. Does the person serve the country or himself? Does he make the right choices? Does he possess wisdom? Can he understand people or does he feel so above everyone else that the motivations and feelings of others that he loses perspective? I hated the "I feel your pain" crap. No one feels/shares/knows your pain unless they have been there. Even then, everyone feels his or her own pain their own way. Clinton was too manipulative for me. If you liked the man that is OK. That is why we have elections. And no, GW isn't a saint. Nor a genius. I think that what he is for all his faults, is the better man. Especially for the times.

Well said. Perhaps Texmaster should check it out as an example of a reasoned opinion if he has the attention span...

N >>


LOL, you know how hard that is for Tex. If he isn't flamin', he ain't happy

Hey, I liked Slick Willy, and I still do. I thought he was a great speaker, and I didn't think he was half bad as president. He won both times by a pretty far margin and compared to his competition at each turn, I can see why.

Now when Bill passed the reigns on to Gore, that lost me. I've never been a big fan of Gore or his antics. And I definitely wasn't a fan of George W. Bush. Before 9-11, every time I heard him speak I just had to say to myself "Is this REALLY our president, GEEZ!!" But after 9-11 it seems as though the dust was shaken off of him and he has shown through rather brightly. He is more confortable in his presentation and delivery of impromtpu speeches, and he just looks more confident overall. Let's just say that the Dubyah of a year ago is no where close to the current one.

Either way, he has earned my respect immensely since 9-11 with his actions...

As for approval ratings, I have no doubt that in my mind that even a boring goat like Gore could pull in an 85% rating after 9-11

 

[4824guy]

I believe most of his popularity is coming from the terrorist attacks again the US on US soil, and from how well the military is doing.

If it weren't for these two big factors, his numbers and popularity would be low. They were dropping during the summer just before the 9/11 attacks. The war will hide the fact that he caused and blew away the federal surplus and the US was on the verge being in the red BEFORE 9/11.

While every tax payer was happy getting a $300 rebate, big companies will be getting tax credits and refunds. Companies like Enron, if they were still in business, would get more tax refunds and credits, going back to 1986 with the Bush tax act.

 

[Texmaster]

<< "Predictibly" ... nice... we've never debated before and you're already making broad assumptions? I see that you must make a lot of them, because I wasn't debating anyone's intelligence, I was debating why you shouldn't knock another's acheivements if you don't have any similar acheivements of your own. >>



No assumption here little buddy, I just took your revious quote: Watch, I can do this too. I can post something entirely irrelevant, then an insult. Watch!

Einstein flunked math in the 8th grade, after which he always got amazing grades.

LOL. Dumbass.

You are the one who missed it, I just pointed it out

 

[Texmaster]

<< Perhaps he was never as bumbling and weak as the opposition would have liked us to think. Nevertheless, many people "find" themselves in times of crisis. I admire his development of character. Others do as well. Now for Clinton being intelligent, ok he was smart. To quote Bruce Willis "Whoop-de-doo MoFo". There are people smarter than Clinton in this world, and most would make piss poor presidents. It is a matter of where ambitions lie. Does the person serve the country or himself? Does he make the right choices? Does he possess wisdom? Can he understand people or does he feel so above everyone else that the motivations and feelings of others that he loses perspective? I hated the "I feel your pain" crap. No one feels/shares/knows your pain unless they have been there. Even then, everyone feels his or her own pain their own way. Clinton was too manipulative for me. If you liked the man that is OK. That is why we have elections. And no, GW isn't a saint. Nor a genius. I think that what he is for all his faults, is the better man. Especially for the times.

Well said. Perhaps Texmaster should check it out as an example of a reasoned opinion if he has the attention span...

N >>



Excuse me? Just because I responded to one person one way doesn't mean thats how I respond to everyone. You need to read more of my posts little buddy before making assumptions.

 

[Texmaster]

<< LOL, you know how hard that is for Tex. If he isn't flamin', he ain't happy >>




LOL Whatever you say. I nominated Czar for Elite status, a person with a complete different in political idology than myself.

There goes another weak theory of yours NSF4.



<< Hey, I liked Slick Willy, and I still do. I thought he was a great speaker, and I didn't think he was half bad as president. He won both times by a pretty far margin and compared to his competition at each turn, I can see why. >>



My God you admitted it.

I dont know why you tried to hide it earlier that you swung that way when it was so obvious.



<< Now when Bill passed the reigns on to Gore, that lost me. I've never been a big fan of Gore or his antics. And I definitely wasn't a fan of George W. Bush. >>



NO! You are really shocking us today NSF4! LOL



<< As for approval ratings, I have no doubt that in my mind that even a boring goat like Gore could pull in an 85% rating after 9-11 >>



Always nice to see you fall back onto the assumption world. LOL

But I have to admit I'm proud of you NFS4.

First I got you to admit your AMD bias and now you have finally come out and admitted your political bias.

I'm glad to see you are learning that pretending to be unbiased when you show a clear bias isn't the way to go.

 

[NFS4]

<<

<< LOL, you know how hard that is for Tex. If he isn't flamin', he ain't happy >>




LOL Whatever you say. I nominated Czar for Elite status, a person with a complete different in political idology than myself.

There goes another weak theory of yours NSF4.



<< Hey, I liked Slick Willy, and I still do. I thought he was a great speaker, and I didn't think he was half bad as president. He won both times by a pretty far margin and compared to his competition at each turn, I can see why. >>



My God you admitted it.

I dont know why you tried to hide it earlier that you swung that way when it was so obvious.



<< Now when Bill passed the reigns on to Gore, that lost me. I've never been a big fan of Gore or his antics. And I definitely wasn't a fan of George W. Bush. >>



NO! You are really shocking us today NSF4! LOL



<< As for approval ratings, I have no doubt that in my mind that even a boring goat like Gore could pull in an 85% rating after 9-11 >>



Always nice to see you fall back onto the assumption world. LOL

But I had to admit, first I got you to admit your AMD bias and now you have finally come out and admitted your political bias.

I'm glad to see you are learning that pretending to be unbiased when you show a clear bias isn't the way to go. >>


What, the fact that I liked Clinton, didn't like Gore, didn't like Bush at first but now do shows my political BIAS?

For once in your life, why don't you just shut the hell up and try to stop fitting EVERYONE into your little perfect Democrat or Republican molds. I swear, you are more annoying than anything else by placing labels on people all of the time. You can't label everyone Tex, so put away your $5.00 label-maker that you got on sale from Big Lots.

And you wonder why everyone is always attacking you...you bring it on yourself with your childish pranks:disgust:

 

[skace]

"Why is Bush so Popular??"

Because when something big enough happens it grays out all the little things.

 

[BDawg]

As was said before, the real answer, minus any spin is, Americans rally around their President in times of crisis.

The only big problem I've had with Bush is his pandering to the religious right. Other, more minor problems are tax cut (don't think it's the time), Kyoto Treaty (I think he should have tried to work the issues out), campaign finance reform, and of course, big enron...I mean oil. 9-11 has not changed my opinion of him in any of these matters.

And for all you right wingers who think that I'm a crazed liberal, I was supporting McCain, and would have voted for him in the general election.

The ones I have real problems with are Cheney and Ashcroft...

 

[Napalm]

<< Perhaps he was never as bumbling and weak as the opposition would have liked us to think. Nevertheless, many people "find" themselves in times of crisis. I admire his development of character. Others do as well. Now for Clinton being intelligent, ok he was smart. To quote Bruce Willis "Whoop-de-doo MoFo". There are people smarter than Clinton in this world, and most would make piss poor presidents. It is a matter of where ambitions lie. Does the person serve the country or himself? Does he make the right choices? Does he possess wisdom? Can he understand people or does he feel so above everyone else that the motivations and feelings of others that he loses perspective? I hated the "I feel your pain" crap. No one feels/shares/knows your pain unless they have been there. Even then, everyone feels his or her own pain their own way. Clinton was too manipulative for me. If you liked the man that is OK. That is why we have elections. And no, GW isn't a saint. Nor a genius. I think that what he is for all his faults, is the better man. Especially for the times.

Well said. Perhaps Texmaster should check it out as an example of a reasoned opinion if he has the attention span...

N >>


Excuse me? Just because I responded to one person one way doesn't mean thats how I respond to everyone. You need to read more of my posts little buddy before making assumptions.



Texmaster, as much as it pains me to admit, I have read many of your posts - so my assumptions are based on something. You are the kind of person that nobody likes to debate with because your start with the wrong attitude. If you want to have open dialogue, you have to have an open mind. You approach everything with a "don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up..." attitude. I initially assumed that you were just very young and not particulary mature in your thinking, but I have a nagging suspicion that you are just simply not the sharpest tool in the shed - and I am not the only one to have noticed it...

So there you have it - little buddy. Anyhow, I am sure that you will have something interesting to reply - just know that I won't engage you in this thread again.

Cheerio,
N

 

[UDT89]

i think everyone likes Bush because hes like a regular american, or at least he protrays it well. I mean the whole thing of him choaking on a pretzel help him out. WHY? B/c he was watching Sunday Football. Typical american male. Even though he's got money and is president, hes down to earth and expresses his feelings on everything even if they seem harsh to everyone else. He has the same views of most americans with terrorism.

Did you see his press confrenece the other day when some middle eastern reporter tried to ask him a ?, and he couldnt understand. After a while of this 3 minutes question, he looked at ashcroft and powell and gave them that "what the hell is he talking about" look. IT WAS AWESOME, on national TV even. Shows he's more a true honest american than Clinton. What do you think Clinton would have said if he choked on a pretzel? He was watching like polo???

Plus his daughters are my age and they are hot and drink. Gotta love the whole family.

 

[syzygy]

why? because of 9-11. oh the humanity, whatta a shock :Q

imo, his continuing popularity has do to with the nature of the conflict, and, more importantly,
his own sick political postuirng.

he wants to milk this offensive for all the political juice he can wrench from it, so he's going to
bang the war drum for as long and as loud as he can, while doing good for the world.

dubya wants to make sure the nightly news has at least something, hell anything, about our
one-sided romp over planet earth, to divert - and/or dilute - our attention from the humdrum
domestic scene. with enron, the lingering election taint, a shaky economy, the guy needs war.

 

[NFS4]

<< i think everyone likes Bush because hes like a regular american, or at least he protrays it well. I mean the whole thing of him choaking on a pretzel help him out. WHY? B/c he was watching Sunday Football. Typical american male. Even though he's got money and is president, hes down to earth and expresses his feelings on everything even if they seem harsh to everyone else. He has the same views of most americans with terrorism.

Did you see his press confrenece the other day when some middle eastern reporter tried to ask him a ?, and he couldnt understand. After a while of this 3 minutes question, he looked at ashcroft and powell and gave them that "what the hell is he talking about" look. IT WAS AWESOME, on national TV even. Shows he's more a true honest american than Clinton. What do you think Clinton would have said if he choked on a pretzel? He was watching like polo???

Plus his daughters are my age and they are hot and drink. Gotta love the whole family. >>


LOL, you crack me up. That's some funny shiznit

 

[AU Tiger]

UDT89 understands why.

His approval ratings were doing well before 9/11. He is in his element now, he is able to relate to the average American better than most politicians. Daschle's popularity suffers in comparison because he is the stereotypical Washington politician and does not relate well to most people.

 

[Ornery]

"...related to the defeat of the Taliban (no great accomplishment by anyone's standards),"

Is that what you meant to say? I seem to recall a certain Russian army that didn't fare as well after years of struggle. I remember mention of Viet Nam when we were contemplating going in there.

I think the swift, decisive trouncing is what cemented the popularity. Personally, I didn't care if Bush, Alan Keyes or John McCain got in office. I'm MUCH more concerned with the way issues are addressed, than who is behind the pen.

 

[BDawg]

<< What do you think Clinton would have said if he choked on a pretzel? He was watching like polo???
>>



Well, Clinton was a big college basketball fan. He was in Charlotte to watch the Arkansas Razorbacks win the NCAA title in 94, I believe.

 

[Russ]

<< The war will hide the fact that he caused and blew away the federal surplus and the US was on the verge being in the red BEFORE 9/11. >>



You liberals can keep repeating that mantra in to the next century, and it will still be a fabrication from the minds of those oblivious to basic economic principles. The economy began the slide halfway through Willy's last year in office. More then anything else, that shrinking economy is responsible for the minor deficit we are currenlty experiencing. The assertion that Bush is responsible is laughable and pathetic.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Czar]

The US is in "war", that will never end and all war presidents are popular untill they suffer some defeats. The US has not had any major or even minor defeats in this war and that is why he is still popular. Also the fact that he is very normal and people can relate to that, he is not exceptional in any way as a leader, more lacking in some areas, but what he has is a very good person to person skill. From what I´v seen he is obviosly great at talking to his own people, but talking to a big group of people he is horrible.

I doubt he will be voted again because so much can go wrong untill then and things arent looking good.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Texmaster, as much as it pains me to admit, I have read many of your posts - so my assumptions are based on something. You are the kind of person that nobody likes to debate with because your start with the wrong attitude. >>



LOL REally! Then you need to talk with Nemesis77, Bussmaster11 and Czar. Czar, the guy that has a COMPLETELY different political idiology that I have in my sig recommended for Elite Status.

There goes your moronic theory little buddy! lol

Sticking your arrogant snobish nose in the air isn't a respectable trait.

Next time you debate me be ready with some facts.



<< If you want to have open dialogue, you have to have an open mind. You approach everything with a "don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up..." attitude. >>



You are so full of it. I ALWAYS ask for facts. Funny thing is, I am very seldom given any by the other side in debates. You really need to read more carefully. These comments you are making really show your ignorance.




<< I initially assumed that you were just very young and not particulary mature in your thinking, but I have a nagging suspicion that you are just simply not the sharpest tool in the shed - and I am not the only one to have noticed it... >>



LOL I draw on facts to base my conclusions. Its just killing you that I used your own ignorant posting against you isn't it?



<< So there you have it - little buddy. >>



Get your own material.



<< Anyhow, I am sure that you will have something interesting to reply - just know that I won't engage you in this thread again.

Cheerio,
N >>




Can't say I'm suprised. Your cowardice to answering my replies to your questions and the level of ignorance you have shown here doesn't surprise me.