Why is Anesthesiology median salary so high?

[BUrassler]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Unless you've worked in a hospital and/or an OR how about you contribute more than just slamming their job

So your saying unless Ive gone to war, I cant comment about it?

No, but you original comment was ridiculous and not true. You cant just pull something out of your butt and try to pass it is a fact.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Unless you've worked in a hospital and/or an OR how about you contribute more than just slamming their job

So your saying unless Ive gone to war, I cant comment about it?

Sure you can comment but dont make ridiculous comments about the health care industry when you dont back it with facts

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Specialized nursing huh?

:roll:

Yeah. Its why healthcare is unaffordable. You can blame the insurance companies, the lawyers, whatever. I blame ridiculous salaries.

Physicians spend 4 years in medical school and 4-5 years in residency depending on their specialization. The process is extremely intense. If they weren't paid high salaries, who would ever think about going to med school?

 

[Proletariat]

Small Asian men make a lot of money.

/ban

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: BUrassler

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Unless you've worked in a hospital and/or an OR how about you contribute more than just slamming their job

So your saying unless Ive gone to war, I cant comment about it?

No, but you original comment was ridiculous and not true. You cant just pull something out of your butt and try to pass it is a fact.

That was clearly an opinion, and alot of people disagreed. At no time did I represent that as a fact. You cant honestly tell me that you think someone cant do this job for alot less than 300k? I say 50k take it or leave it.

 

[BUrassler]

Originally posted by: kami333

Originally posted by: BUrassler

Originally posted by: kami333

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: BigJ
It's a lot harder than you think.

Can you guys explain? Im honestly curious. How much of there salary go to insurance would you say?

I've heard up to 100k from one (neonatal specialist in Nevada)

My father is an anesthesiologist in Japan and all the US doctors he meets at conferecens can't believe that his premium is only about $500 a year.

That has a lot to do with japan's societal structur and ethics vs. america's. Malpractice lawsuits are much much less likely in japan becuase of an individuals submisive nature towards those in an authoritative position. It is just their culture. Not the case in the USA.

True true. Lawsuits are extremely unprofitable in Japan, you don't have the insane damages you see awarded in the US.

He also makes about less than half the US median:Q

Well I truely dont think the US health care system will be able to sustain itself too much longer. Japan was a very solid system, which they are willing to revise and adjust every three years. They just universaly changed co-payments to 30% to help keep costs down for the system as a whole.

 

[kami333]

Average insurance costs

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: BUrassler

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Unless you've worked in a hospital and/or an OR how about you contribute more than just slamming their job

So your saying unless Ive gone to war, I cant comment about it?

No, but you original comment was ridiculous and not true. You cant just pull something out of your butt and try to pass it is a fact.

That was clearly an opinion, and alot of people disagreed. At no time did I represent that as a fact. You cant honestly tell me that you think someone cant do this job for alot less than 300k? I say 50k take it or leave it.

*snicker* mmmm....cant hold back.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

How about you go work in a hospital OR for a few months and come back and tell me they should only make 50K a year. It's obvious you have no idea the skill, training and dedication involved in not just an anasthesiologists job but an entire surgical team job when performing a surgery.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Specialized nursing huh?

:roll:

Yeah. Its why healthcare is unaffordable. You can blame the insurance companies, the lawyers, whatever. I blame ridiculous salaries.

Physicians spend 4 years in medical school and 4-5 years in residency depending on their specialization. The process is extremely intense. If they weren't paid high salaries, who would ever think about going to med school?

You have a point. How about 75k, plus student loan reimbursement and pooled insurance risk for all health care employees.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Specialized nursing huh?

:roll:

Yeah. Its why healthcare is unaffordable. You can blame the insurance companies, the lawyers, whatever. I blame ridiculous salaries.

Physicians spend 4 years in medical school and 4-5 years in residency depending on their specialization. The process is extremely intense. If they weren't paid high salaries, who would ever think about going to med school?

You have a point. How about 75k, plus student loan reimbursement and pooled insurance risk for all health care employees.

you have ZERO clue.

 

[Powermoloch]

dude..these guys are there to keep you "comfortable" during an operation. Would you rather have to feel the scalpel scraping your guts while you are conscious? hell no lol.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Specialized nursing huh?

:roll:

Yeah. Its why healthcare is unaffordable. You can blame the insurance companies, the lawyers, whatever. I blame ridiculous salaries.

Physicians spend 4 years in medical school and 4-5 years in residency depending on their specialization. The process is extremely intense. If they weren't paid high salaries, who would ever think about going to med school?

You have a point. How about 75k, plus student loan reimbursement and pooled insurance risk for all health care employees.

you have ZERO clue.

If your not part of the solution, youre part of the problem.

 

[BUrassler]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: BUrassler

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Unless you've worked in a hospital and/or an OR how about you contribute more than just slamming their job

So your saying unless Ive gone to war, I cant comment about it?

No, but you original comment was ridiculous and not true. You cant just pull something out of your butt and try to pass it is a fact.

That was clearly an opinion, and alot of people disagreed. At no time did I represent that as a fact. You cant honestly tell me that you think someone cant do this job for alot less than 300k? I say 50k take it or leave it.

I agree, and think the system needs a complete overhall. But it is in large parts more the insurance companies fault rather than the physicians. We are the only industrialized nation without some sort of a universal care system. We need to make a change, but it will not come untill we are on the brink of disaster, as we alwasy do in the US. Thats my opinion at least.

 

[FelixDeCat]

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/377692.html

UnitedHealth Group Inc. CEO Dr. William McGuire has accumulated stock options worth an estimated $1.6 billion. On Tuesday, he acknowledged that might be enough.

Altogether he has made $2 BILLION DOLLARS!! :shocked: This is healthcare costs out of control!

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Specialized nursing huh?

:roll:

Yeah. Its why healthcare is unaffordable. You can blame the insurance companies, the lawyers, whatever. I blame ridiculous salaries.

Physicians spend 4 years in medical school and 4-5 years in residency depending on their specialization. The process is extremely intense. If they weren't paid high salaries, who would ever think about going to med school?

You have a point. How about 75k, plus student loan reimbursement and pooled insurance risk for all health care employees.

Ever heard of the concept of a free market economy? If we implemented your suggestion into society, I guarantee you we would have a huge shortage of physicians.

 

[BUrassler]

This is great, I feel like I am in class right now. I major in health science at BU and enjoy debating this stuff. This is the first thread I have really engadged this way in, so thanks OP!

 

[BUrassler]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
http://www.startribune.com/535/story/377692.html

UnitedHealth Group Inc. CEO Dr. William McGuire has accumulated stock options worth an estimated $1.6 billion. On Tuesday, he acknowledged that might be enough.

Altogether he has made $2 BILLION DOLLARS!! :shocked: This is healthcare costs out of control!

This is the kind of thing that explains why Canada's administrative costs in the healthcare system are 300% lower.

 

[BUrassler]

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Specialized nursing huh?

:roll:

Yeah. Its why healthcare is unaffordable. You can blame the insurance companies, the lawyers, whatever. I blame ridiculous salaries.

Physicians spend 4 years in medical school and 4-5 years in residency depending on their specialization. The process is extremely intense. If they weren't paid high salaries, who would ever think about going to med school?

You have a point. How about 75k, plus student loan reimbursement and pooled insurance risk for all health care employees.

Ever heard of the concept of a free market economy? If we implemented your suggestion into society, I guarantee you we would have a huge shortage of physicians.

Well a very large part of a physician's salary goes towards paying off all of those student loans and also insurance coverage. If they were reimbursed for their student loans and malpractice lawsuits were capped, they would take a significant paycut and still be coming out with a similar net income.

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: BUrassler

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Specialized nursing huh?

:roll:

Yeah. Its why healthcare is unaffordable. You can blame the insurance companies, the lawyers, whatever. I blame ridiculous salaries.

Physicians spend 4 years in medical school and 4-5 years in residency depending on their specialization. The process is extremely intense. If they weren't paid high salaries, who would ever think about going to med school?

You have a point. How about 75k, plus student loan reimbursement and pooled insurance risk for all health care employees.

Ever heard of the concept of a free market economy? If we implemented your suggestion into society, I guarantee you we would have a huge shortage of physicians.

Well a very large part of a physician's salary goes towards paying off all of those student loans and also insurance coverage. If they were reimbursed for their student loans and malpractice lawsuits were capped, they would take a significant paycut and still be coming out with a similar net income.

Using the figures provided above, the average Anesthesiologist is paid about 250k a year. Please provide statistics showing that Anesthesiologists pay 175k a year for student loans and insurance coverage.

 

[TraumaRN]

Very good points BUrassler.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: BUrassler

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Specialized nursing huh?

:roll:

Yeah. Its why healthcare is unaffordable. You can blame the insurance companies, the lawyers, whatever. I blame ridiculous salaries.

Physicians spend 4 years in medical school and 4-5 years in residency depending on their specialization. The process is extremely intense. If they weren't paid high salaries, who would ever think about going to med school?

You have a point. How about 75k, plus student loan reimbursement and pooled insurance risk for all health care employees.

Ever heard of the concept of a free market economy? If we implemented your suggestion into society, I guarantee you we would have a huge shortage of physicians.

Well a very large part of a physician's salary goes towards paying off all of those student loans and also insurance coverage. If they were reimbursed for their student loans and malpractice lawsuits were capped, they would take a significant paycut and still be coming out with a similar net income.

Using the figures provided above, the average Anesthesiologist is paid about 250k a year. Please provide statistics showing that Anesthesiologists pay 175k a year for student loans and insurance coverage.

Well from just talking to the physicians at work, most of them come out of medical school/internship/residency with anywhere from 100-200K+ in debt. Factor in cost of living, car, food, etc etc. It does add up. As someone who works in a hospital I think they are paid what they deserve, probably a biased opinion on wages but I see what they do every day.

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: BUrassler

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Specialized nursing huh?

:roll:

Yeah. Its why healthcare is unaffordable. You can blame the insurance companies, the lawyers, whatever. I blame ridiculous salaries.

Physicians spend 4 years in medical school and 4-5 years in residency depending on their specialization. The process is extremely intense. If they weren't paid high salaries, who would ever think about going to med school?

You have a point. How about 75k, plus student loan reimbursement and pooled insurance risk for all health care employees.

Ever heard of the concept of a free market economy? If we implemented your suggestion into society, I guarantee you we would have a huge shortage of physicians.

Well a very large part of a physician's salary goes towards paying off all of those student loans and also insurance coverage. If they were reimbursed for their student loans and malpractice lawsuits were capped, they would take a significant paycut and still be coming out with a similar net income.

Using the figures provided above, the average Anesthesiologist is paid about 250k a year. Please provide statistics showing that Anesthesiologists pay 175k a year for student loans and insurance coverage.

Well from just talking to the physicians at work, most of them come out of medical school/internship/residency with anywhere from 100-200K+ in debt. Factor in cost of living, car, food, etc etc. It does add up. As someone who works in a hospital I think they are paid what they deserve, probably a biased opinion on wages but I see what they do every day.

You're misconstruing my point. I'm advocating that physicians are indeed paid what they deserve. However, I don't believe that their net income after paying off their student loans and covering their insurance costs is a mere 75k. On a side note, cost of living is a moot point because all people have to pay that.

 

[TraumaRN]

Oohhh my bad I misunderstood you

 

[BUrassler]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: BUrassler

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
This is nothing more than specialized nursing, 50k max.

300k :roll:

Specialized nursing huh?

:roll:

Yeah. Its why healthcare is unaffordable. You can blame the insurance companies, the lawyers, whatever. I blame ridiculous salaries.

Physicians spend 4 years in medical school and 4-5 years in residency depending on their specialization. The process is extremely intense. If they weren't paid high salaries, who would ever think about going to med school?

You have a point. How about 75k, plus student loan reimbursement and pooled insurance risk for all health care employees.

Ever heard of the concept of a free market economy? If we implemented your suggestion into society, I guarantee you we would have a huge shortage of physicians.

Well a very large part of a physician's salary goes towards paying off all of those student loans and also insurance coverage. If they were reimbursed for their student loans and malpractice lawsuits were capped, they would take a significant paycut and still be coming out with a similar net income.

Using the figures provided above, the average Anesthesiologist is paid about 250k a year. Please provide statistics showing that Anesthesiologists pay 175k a year for student loans and insurance coverage.

Well from just talking to the physicians at work, most of them come out of medical school/internship/residency with anywhere from 100-200K+ in debt. Factor in cost of living, car, food, etc etc. It does add up. As someone who works in a hospital I think they are paid what they deserve, probably a biased opinion on wages but I see what they do every day.

Exactly, so already 200K in debt on loans, and malpractice coverage can be upwards of 1/3 of their salary. I am not saying limiting lawsuits would cure the healthcare system at all, it is not a leading contributer to the run away system costs, but it would help. For instance, a physician mey feel more relaxed and willing to do a needed procedure, which may result in less medical errors, which is a huge cost.

 

[Eli]

Because it's easy to kill people with the drugs that put you to sleep.