Well morality can be a subjective thing. What might be considered right at one era might be wrong at another era. Consider that gay relationships were considered to be taboo not too long ago and yet as we speak, laws are being passed to allow for gay marriages. I'm personally against incest but if incest isn't acceptable today who's to say incest might not be acceptable in the future...
Well morality can be a subjective thing. What might be considered right at one era might be wrong at another era. Consider that gay relationships were considered to be taboo not too long ago and yet as we speak, laws are being passed to allow for gay marriages. I'm personally against incest but if incest isn't acceptable today who's to say incest might not be acceptable in the future...
because when you bring a defect child into this world, the soicality have to pay for it
and the sociality say no to that, so it is against the law to have sex with your sister to wipe any chance of inbreed coming in.
because one just don't look at your sister this way
when you go out, you see other people's sister, you say, damn i want bang her
you don't go home and look at your sister and thinking of banging.
that is just sick
and the sociality say no to that, so it is against the law to have sex with your sister to wipe any chance of inbreed coming in.
because one just don't look at your sister this way
when you go out, you see other people's sister, you say, damn i want bang her
you don't go home and look at your sister and thinking of banging.
that is just sick
Look at it this way. There is a measure of understanding in all relationships. You act differently around friends than you do with your significant other and different still with parents and even differently with relatives.
Now we all know of cases where relationships have changed. Lovers grow to hate each other and friends grow to become very affectionate etc etc. The thing is, when you change the relationship, the rapport between the two of you change. If two friends start going out, they become a couple. People don't consider them friends anymore, but something different(albeit, very similar). In fact, if you ask about a couple like that, more often than not, you'll hear them described as "they used to be friends". If that couple were to become very hostile tho and break up, they are no longer considered a couple and have become something different. The dynamic of their relationship has changed.
With incest, however, you have a condition that exists in paradox to itself. You have a specific familial relationship with your mother, your father, your uncle, your cousin, yadda yadda yadda. The thing with these kinds of relationships is, they are immutable. Short of altering the laws of physics and warping space-time, your father will always be your father, your mother will always be your mother. The reason this is the case is that you had no control over the creation of this particular relationship, ergo, you cannot change it. So let's say that I started to court and fornicate with my first cousin or something. We are still first cousins even afterwards and I have breached the relationship that exists between us. You could consider us lovers or a couple, but that particular relationship must exist with the fact that we are still family. The two are wholly incompatible with the importance of family taking precedence. So in the end, the situation is not as normal where we have changed the terms and condition of our relationship, but rather, both of us are in breach of that relationship. And if people everywhere didn't respect the boundaries of other people, this would be very bad. Why? Because that respect is a major part of what keeps everyone in harmony in today's society. If U took another social order, however, like the nobility of france in the 16th century, where familial terms took a back seat to courtship, you have another story altogether.
my 2.5 cents and a euro.
Now we all know of cases where relationships have changed. Lovers grow to hate each other and friends grow to become very affectionate etc etc. The thing is, when you change the relationship, the rapport between the two of you change. If two friends start going out, they become a couple. People don't consider them friends anymore, but something different(albeit, very similar). In fact, if you ask about a couple like that, more often than not, you'll hear them described as "they used to be friends". If that couple were to become very hostile tho and break up, they are no longer considered a couple and have become something different. The dynamic of their relationship has changed.
With incest, however, you have a condition that exists in paradox to itself. You have a specific familial relationship with your mother, your father, your uncle, your cousin, yadda yadda yadda. The thing with these kinds of relationships is, they are immutable. Short of altering the laws of physics and warping space-time, your father will always be your father, your mother will always be your mother. The reason this is the case is that you had no control over the creation of this particular relationship, ergo, you cannot change it. So let's say that I started to court and fornicate with my first cousin or something. We are still first cousins even afterwards and I have breached the relationship that exists between us. You could consider us lovers or a couple, but that particular relationship must exist with the fact that we are still family. The two are wholly incompatible with the importance of family taking precedence. So in the end, the situation is not as normal where we have changed the terms and condition of our relationship, but rather, both of us are in breach of that relationship. And if people everywhere didn't respect the boundaries of other people, this would be very bad. Why? Because that respect is a major part of what keeps everyone in harmony in today's society. If U took another social order, however, like the nobility of france in the 16th century, where familial terms took a back seat to courtship, you have another story altogether.
my 2.5 cents and a euro.
<< I feel sorry that you do not even know the difference between answering a question and giving an opinion >>
You asked why it was wrong. Then you ask for a point of view. If your point of view is not an opinion, is it the Truth by which every other thought is judged to be blasphemous?
Hey, do you like Big Macs? Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, you can't answer with your opinion.
Now, if you said perspective instead of point of view...
If you blur lines between parental responsibility and family sexuality you are then faced with many complex situations.
In a society where incest is considered morally wrong we still have many situations of Dad or Mum introducing the children to sex at very early ages resulting in emotional and physical scarring to the children. The emotional scarring could in part be caused by society viewing incest as wrong but the physical scars can be very real and long lasting.
What happens to the age of consent if it were deemed an acceptable practice?
How would the children be protected and how would you decide the 'right' age for sexual relations between family members?
Also because of our need to broaden our gene pool it would appear that we aren?t wired to find family members sexually attractive...
Hell the mere thought of seeing my brothers naked is enough to sink my boat.
In a society where incest is considered morally wrong we still have many situations of Dad or Mum introducing the children to sex at very early ages resulting in emotional and physical scarring to the children. The emotional scarring could in part be caused by society viewing incest as wrong but the physical scars can be very real and long lasting.
What happens to the age of consent if it were deemed an acceptable practice?
How would the children be protected and how would you decide the 'right' age for sexual relations between family members?
Also because of our need to broaden our gene pool it would appear that we aren?t wired to find family members sexually attractive...
Hell the mere thought of seeing my brothers naked is enough to sink my boat.
There is one good thing about incest, it gives people like Jerry Springer, Maury, and Montel jobs. 
-Az
-Az
In a society where incest is considered morally wrong we still have many situations of Dad or Mum introducing the children to sex at very early ages resulting in emotional and physical scarring to the children. The emotional scarring could in part be caused by society viewing incest as wrong but the physical scars can be very real and long lasting.
If you are referring to sexual education, how does it result in emotional and physical scarring?
I do agree with one post though, that disaproving of incest stems from religion one way or another.
If you are referring to sexual education, how does it result in emotional and physical scarring?
I do agree with one post though, that disaproving of incest stems from religion one way or another.
<< If you are referring to sexual education, how does it result in emotional and physical scarring? >>
No I am not referring to sex education, I am referring to incest itself...
Today incest isnt an acceptable but it happens, to ignore the trauma that these kids go through while debating why its wrong is to ignore one of the very real reasons of why its wrong...
So if society suddenly deemed incest to be 'ok', who would protect the children ?
Would next debate be: How young is too young to have sex with your daughter or son ?
Incest is wrong b/c it's wrong. Though unpopular here at AT i agree with Stark's post.
Why is murder wrong? B/c it's taking anothers person's life? Well why does that matter? It's just some human's life. I mean who cares right? Or why is stealing wrong? B/c you took it from someone else and didn't earn it? Well who said taking stuff you didn't earn is wrong? It's wrong because it's wrong because it's wrong. Simple as that.
peace
sean
Why is murder wrong? B/c it's taking anothers person's life? Well why does that matter? It's just some human's life. I mean who cares right? Or why is stealing wrong? B/c you took it from someone else and didn't earn it? Well who said taking stuff you didn't earn is wrong? It's wrong because it's wrong because it's wrong. Simple as that.
peace
sean
HomeBrewerDude
Lifer
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Incest is not a good idea because:
1. Children produced through incestuous sex are likely to have developmental problems.
2. Sexual relationships with same age group relatives short circuit the normal social structures that people have (namely families would become isolationist).
3. Sexual relationships between different age group relatives fundamentally change the relationship that should be otherwise, with the younger of the pair often at a disadvantage emotionally, economically, and physically.
1. Children produced through incestuous sex are likely to have developmental problems.
2. Sexual relationships with same age group relatives short circuit the normal social structures that people have (namely families would become isolationist).
3. Sexual relationships between different age group relatives fundamentally change the relationship that should be otherwise, with the younger of the pair often at a disadvantage emotionally, economically, and physically.
StageLeft
No Lifer
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<< Incest is wrong b/c it's wrong. Though unpopular here at AT i agree with Stark's post.
Why is murder wrong? B/c it's taking anothers person's life? Well why does that matter? It's just some human's life. I mean who cares right? Or why is stealing wrong? B/c you took it from someone else and didn't earn it? Well who said taking stuff you didn't earn is wrong? It's wrong because it's wrong because it's wrong. Simple as that.
peace
sean >>
I don't buy that. Murder is wrong because if it is condoned it could happen to you. You look down on it (most do), so that it doesn't happen to us. Same for stealing or many other activities. We call it "wrong" because if we don't it could happen to us. But incest between two consenting adults hurts neither one. Many people consider homosexual sex "wrong" but don't really know why. I don't think it is becuase it hurts nobody.
Pepsei
Lifer
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man, a lot of you are not answering the question.....
why is it wrong? for reproductive reason...it is wrong. also for religious reason.. it is wrong.
for social reason, it is 'learned' by people that it is wrong.
<< 2. Sexual relationships with same age group relatives short circuit the normal social structures that people have (namely families would become isolationist).
3. Sexual relationships between different age group relatives fundamentally change the relationship that should be otherwise, with the younger of the pair often at a disadvantage emotionally, economically, and physically. >>
yeah, that summed it up for social reason...
now, take a brother and sister seperated by birth... ending up with a relationship together... people would not get disgusted by it because no one knows they were related.
so why is it wrong? mostly social reason over any other reasons!
why is it wrong? for reproductive reason...it is wrong. also for religious reason.. it is wrong.
for social reason, it is 'learned' by people that it is wrong.
<< 2. Sexual relationships with same age group relatives short circuit the normal social structures that people have (namely families would become isolationist).
3. Sexual relationships between different age group relatives fundamentally change the relationship that should be otherwise, with the younger of the pair often at a disadvantage emotionally, economically, and physically. >>
yeah, that summed it up for social reason...
now, take a brother and sister seperated by birth... ending up with a relationship together... people would not get disgusted by it because no one knows they were related.
so why is it wrong? mostly social reason over any other reasons!
Hahahahaha!! This thread is great Juniper. Not because I agree with incest, but because of how many people you managed to piss off without even flaming, trolling, or anything. You just asked a question. The answers you got were poor and half assed and the majority of the replies were only to harm you. This coming from the community I still have an ounce of respect for.
Now if my memory serves me correct, Juniper is a teenage girl? She is not a guy looking to screw his sister like most of you instantly assume. So perhaps it would be nice to stop trying to label her?
I don't see ANY reason why incest is MORALLY wrong. I think the reasons for it being morally wrong (not man enough to find a real girl wtf?) were half-assed and did not fit any examples of something that is morally wrong.
I definitely believe that incest is socially wrong. It will never be socially acceptable because it has been proven to raise the chance of a mutation (note: raise chance, not guarentee). Whether or not you are having kids does not matter, because society doesn't get into details. To society, you are brother and sister living together, they cannot tell what you are doing in your house so incest is incest is incest - the details do not come into play.
Disregarding society, I still think safe sex with a sibling would be an incredibly slippery slope. Lets say you and your brother were doing this. And all of a sudden he wanted a larger relationship out of it. What if he got some crazy idea in his head to marry you!?!??! This would be a very hard situation to back out of, you would have to move out of your house.
So from my input you can probably guess that I think there is a time and place for anything, even incest. If our race was dying out by other means, incest would be the least of our problems. Like if you and your brother were the only 2 left, incest wouldn't even be considered most likely.
Now if my memory serves me correct, Juniper is a teenage girl? She is not a guy looking to screw his sister like most of you instantly assume. So perhaps it would be nice to stop trying to label her?
I don't see ANY reason why incest is MORALLY wrong. I think the reasons for it being morally wrong (not man enough to find a real girl wtf?) were half-assed and did not fit any examples of something that is morally wrong.
I definitely believe that incest is socially wrong. It will never be socially acceptable because it has been proven to raise the chance of a mutation (note: raise chance, not guarentee). Whether or not you are having kids does not matter, because society doesn't get into details. To society, you are brother and sister living together, they cannot tell what you are doing in your house so incest is incest is incest - the details do not come into play.
Disregarding society, I still think safe sex with a sibling would be an incredibly slippery slope. Lets say you and your brother were doing this. And all of a sudden he wanted a larger relationship out of it. What if he got some crazy idea in his head to marry you!?!??! This would be a very hard situation to back out of, you would have to move out of your house.
So from my input you can probably guess that I think there is a time and place for anything, even incest. If our race was dying out by other means, incest would be the least of our problems. Like if you and your brother were the only 2 left, incest wouldn't even be considered most likely.
The question you asked is unanswerable, so it is flawed to begin with. You cannot define right or wrong, and therefore cannot state that it is right or wrong. It's all up to the person, and it's purely an opinion-based topic. Why ask questions that can't be answered? Why don't we just start making threads on:
Why is Beastiality wrong?
Why is the sky blue?
No, there is no such thing as stupid questions, but this one is quite IGNORANT if you ask me.
Why is Beastiality wrong?
Why is the sky blue?
No, there is no such thing as stupid questions, but this one is quite IGNORANT if you ask me.
Juniper....... After starting this thread, you may as well reregister as a different user.
You will now forever be known as the guy that started that nasty pro-incest thread.
You will now forever be known as the guy that started that nasty pro-incest thread.
db
Lifer
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I'll leave the qestion of right or wrong alone, but just say that incest is an INDICATION of some kind of mental or social problem the persons have.
If you are so no-life that you have to do your sibling or child, then you have a problem, to say the least.
Even if two sibs were consenting and using birth control, it is still unlikely that they would be psychalogicaly healthy as far as functioning in the world outside their home.
If you are so no-life that you have to do your sibling or child, then you have a problem, to say the least.
Even if two sibs were consenting and using birth control, it is still unlikely that they would be psychalogicaly healthy as far as functioning in the world outside their home.
Pepsei
Lifer
- Dec 14, 2001
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ah yes.. dying race...or sometimes just blown up city.
i remember it is 'recorded' in the bible, Lot and his 2 daughters did it....when god destroyed the two cities of sin.
interesting huh? it's in Genesis, i believe.
any other 'recorded' incest relationship in other religious text?
i think caligula caesar bang his sister regularly...
let's take a step further, why is sex with animal wrong? i think we can not really tell if the animal in question is consenting so it would be cruel to animal... and peta would have a cow(no pun intended)
i remember it is 'recorded' in the bible, Lot and his 2 daughters did it....when god destroyed the two cities of sin.
interesting huh? it's in Genesis, i believe.
any other 'recorded' incest relationship in other religious text?
i think caligula caesar bang his sister regularly...
let's take a step further, why is sex with animal wrong? i think we can not really tell if the animal in question is consenting so it would be cruel to animal... and peta would have a cow(no pun intended)
Incest is wrong because our religion and society norm says so. If you lived in ancient times, incest would be like homosexuality today(perhaps more commonplace). Incest has a biological effect(over generations) so its a greater taboo than homosexuality.
Juniper....... After starting this thread, you may as well reregister as a different user.
You will now forever be known as the guy that started that nasty pro-incest thread
killmeplease: Bah... You live with your crimes, though I dont see whats my wrong here and why I should change username after posting this thread. Im not posing as anybody nor did I nef.
There are >80,000 registered users here, prolly most of em will forget about it in a week or two.
You will now forever be known as the guy that started that nasty pro-incest thread
killmeplease: Bah... You live with your crimes, though I dont see whats my wrong here and why I should change username after posting this thread. Im not posing as anybody nor did I nef.
There are >80,000 registered users here, prolly most of em will forget about it in a week or two.
rh71
No Lifer
- Aug 28, 2001
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<< Also, when you grow up in the same house with someone you do and see a lot of stuff you don't want to see that will naturally turn you off to them anyway. Seems like common sense...
CK >>
I think this is the BEST non-scientific answer, hands down. I don't have a sister, so the thought doesn't disgust me as much.
MichaelD
Lifer
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<< Eventually God outlawed it as mutations began happening in people's genes >>
I'd be embarassed to say anything that stupid. So, God at first said "incest is good! Let it be so!" and *poof* brothers and sisters were doing the nasty. Then, one day, he said "incest is bad...donnadoitnomore' and *poof* you couldn't do your sister anymore?
Wow, Geek167, I never knew that's how it happened.
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