Why Illegals will get everything they want

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: homercles337
Protest IS patriotism. If they are causing change from protest more power to them. Just goes to show how complacent the left has become with all the fecal matter running out of the WH and still no action.

It doesn't make sense though, that a group of people who have no legal rights in our country would be able to come here and dictate how our laws work. I am all for protest, but the viewpoint expressed is not necessarily the most sensible.

bingo..

thats like an MCSE telling an ASE certified mechanic how to do his job 😕

Yup, except it's a bunch of lower level blue collars (fruit pickers, cleaners, cooks) telling white collars what to do.

So all muxikans (as you probably say) are fruit pickers, cleaners, or cooks? I think the Mexican in the office next to me here at MIT would disagree. Your small mindedness is showing. Was it Rush, Hannity & Colmes, your parents, or whoever that taught you about them dirty, greezy, stupid muxikans?

Actually, what I say is correct. And where did I say Mexicans asshat? It's a fact that 24% of illegals are in the Farming sector, 17% Cleaning, 14% Construction, 12% Food Prep, 9% Production, and 7% Transport.
Text, click on Interactive: Illegals in the US and educate yourself.

That sure looks like fruit pickers, cleaners, and cooks to me. Before you spout racist statements like the above (no kidding a Mexican can go to MIT, as can any black, Asian), you should remember that anytime you bring up race that hate breeds hate. I would suggest you don't post again for the chance of looking like a fool.

Youre such a dope that it boggles my mind. I dont even know where to begin. Were you dropped on your head as an infant? Im not the one with hate, you are. Do you WANT to work as a fruit picker, a cleaner, a cook, or whatever you will label as "blue collar?" What if someone from latin america (muxikans to you) moved here and worked to support his/her family? Arent you part of the "pro-family" group? What about the pro-offshoring group? If yes, then youre a hypocrite. Offshore good wage earning, benefits having jobs to china and inda, then close the borders so that blue-collar workers are in demand? Thus, lowering every possible living standard american workers have achieved? Ok, wait, i get it, only the fat cats at the top are allowed to excel? Do you realize youre buying into the political spin set up by the admin and big business?

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: RichardE


2) The natives traded away there rights, perhaps not in fair deals, but what is done is done.

Here let me repeat myself:

There are already 12 million of them here, not so fairly either, what is done is done, get over it and save your hate for something constructive.

Well now, here you are in a thread that you can't take "ownership" of, still pretending that the only thoughts on this subject are the ones that are emanating from between your ears. 🙂

There's one thing to be done that would be iron-clad effective, and it has nothing to do with your favorite tactics of obfuscation, rank emotionalism or name-calling. Make employment contingent upon proof of citizenship. I know what you're going to say: "Well, you hate-mongering racist, my favorite pet people, the saintly Mexican's, can just forge what they need." That's easy to fix too, you get caught with forged documents there's a cell with your name and 10-15 stenciled on the door and a nice, air-conditioned bus to Mexico waiting for you when it's over. ILLEGAL immigration would seem a lot less attractive under conditions like these, yes?

Let the childishly naive bloviating begin! :laugh:

 

[Steeplerot]

*sigh* can we just trade our stupid, lazy, and hateful for some good hardworkers? I will negotiate the deal, where is the green phone? I want to talk to fox.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Let the childishly naive bloviating begin! :laugh:

Once again you are assed out , I already discussed my solution in a reasonable sized paragraph or two just a few posts up from your patheticly late flamebait. :roll:

Get a life and stick with stalking people in your local playground.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Toasthead
Illegals have no vote, therefore they dont exist in the eyes of politicians. sad...but true.

But by making them legal, you have a brand new group of potential voters, so MAYBE it could be beneficial for them to lead the 'make them legal' charge

Reward them for cutting in line and breaking the law to sneak in by granting them voter status? Brilliant! 😕

You know who DOES exist in the eyes of the politicians? The people who vote NOW. The people, like me, who will vote any asshat politician who tries something or supports something like you suggest right out of office.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: RichardE

So here Steep...why don't you tell us...

Why are immigration laws hypocritical?

Why can't illegal immigrants go the legal way to come to the country?

Why is everyone who does not agree with illegal immigration racist?

Why do you assume people who came here after immigration laws were set up, and went through the process of doing it legally, that they are still illegal?

If a countries leaders, and people born in the nation should decide they want to stem the flow of individuals comming to that nation who are comming illegally, why should they not be able too?

Those are all good questions but I have adressed some in this thread already and the rest in 16 pages of I love immigrants thread, with a lot more too.
First thing you have to realize is to step back from all this hype: its a big ass farce.
Count backwards from 10 slowly and realize immigrants are not out to get you.Then start looking at history, then the reality of the situation, I have posted reasons for all of this, its up to use your thinking power to join the rational world.

You are right, immigrants are not out to "get" anyone. And lets be sure I'm being very clear about the fact that what I am about to say applies to ILLEGAL immigrants only. They are not out to get us. But that doesn't mean they have our best interest in heart and are looking out for what is best for America either. What they are out to get is whatever they can. They are looking out for theirs just like I look out for me and mine. Ask yourself this: Why would somebody be compelled to try and sneak into a country illegally? Here are the two immediate answers that come to mind for me:

1) They are running / hiding from something and don't want to be found or know that they would be unable to pass a background check, or they just flat out intend to do us harm.
2) They have no consideration for the laws of their host country nor the rights of other individuals who are trying to do things the right way. They feel somehow that their wants and needs are more important than the people who are properly waiting in line for entry.

Are either of those kinds of people the kind you want as neighbors? As members of the school PTA? People whos kids you want your kids going to school with? So you are right. Maybe they aren't out to get us. But the fact is, they don't give two craps about us or our country. If they did, they'd respect our laws. They are out to exploit America for whatever they can get. And they'd sell America out in a heartbeat if it meant a couple dollars in their pocket. The very act of sneaking into the country illegally speaks volumes to me about the fiber of their character and their blatant disregard for anyone elses rights save their own. These are not the kind of people I want to welcome as Americans.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: RichardE

So here Steep...why don't you tell us...

Why are immigration laws hypocritical?

Why can't illegal immigrants go the legal way to come to the country?

Why is everyone who does not agree with illegal immigration racist?

Why do you assume people who came here after immigration laws were set up, and went through the process of doing it legally, that they are still illegal?

If a countries leaders, and people born in the nation should decide they want to stem the flow of individuals comming to that nation who are comming illegally, why should they not be able too?

Those are all good questions but I have adressed some in this thread already and the rest in 16 pages of I love immigrants thread, with a lot more too.
First thing you have to realize is to step back from all this hype: its a big ass farce.
Count backwards from 10 slowly and realize immigrants are not out to get you.Then start looking at history, then the reality of the situation, I have posted reasons for all of this, its up to use your thinking power to join the rational world.

You are right, immigrants are not out to "get" anyone. And lets be sure I'm being very clear about the fact that what I am about to say applies to ILLEGAL immigrants only. They are not out to get us. But that doesn't mean they have our best interest in heart and are looking out for what is best for America either. What they are out to get is whatever they can. They are looking out for theirs just like I look out for me and mine. Ask yourself this: Why would somebody be compelled to try and sneak into a country illegally? Here are the two immediate answers that come to mind for me:

1) They are running / hiding from something and don't want to be found or know that they would be unable to pass a background check, or they just flat out intend to do us harm.
2) They have no consideration for the laws of their host country nor the rights of other individuals who are trying to do things the right way. They feel somehow that their wants and needs are more important than the people who are properly waiting in line for entry.

Are either of those kinds of people the kind you want as neighbors? As members of the school PTA? People whos kids you want your kids going to school with? So you are right. Maybe they aren't out to get us. But the fact is, they don't give two craps about us or our country. If they did, they'd respect our laws. They are out to exploit America for whatever they can get. And they'd sell America out in a heartbeat if it meant a couple dollars in their pocket. The very act of sneaking into the country illegally speaks volumes to me about the fiber of their character and their blatant disregard for anyone elses rights save their own. These are not the kind of people I want to welcome as Americans.

Steeples entire argument usually comes down to their being hungry and desperate, which somehow justifies their crimes. So dont expect more than that in reply...

 

[1EZduzit]

I feel sorry for all under fed people, but the truth is it's the people in Africa who are the one's starving.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Let the childishly naive bloviating begin! :laugh:

Once again you are assed out again, I already discussed my solution in a reasonable sized paragraph or two just a few posts up from your patheticly late flamebait. :roll:

Get a life and stick with stalking people in your local playground.

"Once again you are assed out again, ..." Wow, you have mastered the language, haven't you. 🙂 Made-up phrases, not to mention childishly naive bloviating, suits you so well. Solutions? Right, all based on the idea that ILLEGAL aliens have to be treated in such a way that simply guarantees MOTS. I don't know what's up with you, perhaps you're really Vicente Fox, but you are without a doubt THE most ignorant poster I've seen in some time, baby

In the span of two days you've managed to try every trick in what appears to be a very limited book to paint ILLEGAL aliens as better than EVERYONE else in this country. While at the same time spitting derision, scorn and infinite stupidity on ANYONE who disagrees with you, no matter how reasoned their perspective. Astoundingly, you claim to be 31-years old and a "part-time" public speaker. I sincerely doubt both claims. An adult would be able to deal with at least SOME of the adversity that comes along with championing a mind-numbingly unpopular cause, without having to infer that her detractors are child molesters. As a public speaker you'd HAVE to be an even greater flop. If you tried some of the drivel you have here in person, you'd find yourself about as safe as a KKK grand wizard attempting to organize a teach-in smack in the middle of a black neighborhood.

Yeah, that's right, you SUCK, lady. I know it, you know it and the people here with brains know it. I look forward to reading your next excursion into the art of witless, incoherent nattering.

 

[palehorse]

BRAVO!! BRAVO!!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Let the childishly naive bloviating begin! :laugh:

Once again you are assed out again, I already discussed my solution in a reasonable sized paragraph or two just a few posts up from your patheticly late flamebait. :roll:

Get a life and stick with stalking people in your local playground.

"Once again you are assed out again, ..." Wow, you have mastered the language, haven't you. 🙂 Made-up phrases, not to mention childishly naive bloviating, suits you so well. Solutions? Right, all based on the idea that ILLEGAL aliens have to be treated in such a way that simply guarantees MOTS. I don't know what's up with you, perhaps you're really Vicente Fox, but you are without a doubt THE most ignorant poster I've seen in some time, baby

In the span of two days you've managed to try every trick in what appears to be a very limited book to paint ILLEGAL aliens as better than EVERYONE else in this country. While at the same time spitting derision, scorn and infinite stupidity on ANYONE who disagrees with you, no matter how reasoned their perspective. Astoundingly, you claim to be 31-years old and a "part-time" public speaker. I sincerely doubt both claims. An adult would be able to deal with at least SOME of the adversity that comes along with championing a mind-numbingly unpopular cause, without having to infer that her detractors are child molesters. As a public speaker you'd HAVE to be an even greater flop. If you tried some of the drivel you have here in person, you'd find yourself about as safe as a KKK grand wizard attempting to organize a teach-in smack in the middle of a black neighborhood.

Yeah, that's right, you SUCK, lady. I know it, you know it and the people here with brains know it. I look forward to reading your next excursion into the art of witless, incoherent nattering.

lmao and to quote her

"pwnt"

Hahaha

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
You know who DOES exist in the eyes of the politicians? The people who vote NOW. The people, like me, who will vote any asshat politician who tries something or supports something like you suggest right out of office.

So illegal immigrants who started families here do not exist? Wow, just wow. What if i wanted to make a LAW to export all dopes from the US? You would be one of them, do you object?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Toasthead
Illegals have no vote, therefore they dont exist in the eyes of politicians. sad...but true.

But by making them legal, you have a brand new group of potential voters, so MAYBE it could be beneficial for them to lead the 'make them legal' charge

Reward them for cutting in line and breaking the law to sneak in by granting them voter status? Brilliant! 😕

You know who DOES exist in the eyes of the politicians? The people who vote NOW. The people, like me, who will vote any asshat politician who tries something or supports something like you suggest right out of office.

No, you don't exist. Why? Your idea of participation is not as vocal as theres.

Politicians "know" millions of illegals would vote for them if they were the ones to push this through. They know nothing about people who don't want it to go through, because those people do not make there wishes known.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Toasthead
Illegals have no vote, therefore they dont exist in the eyes of politicians. sad...but true.

But by making them legal, you have a brand new group of potential voters, so MAYBE it could be beneficial for them to lead the 'make them legal' charge

Reward them for cutting in line and breaking the law to sneak in by granting them voter status? Brilliant! 😕

You know who DOES exist in the eyes of the politicians? The people who vote NOW. The people, like me, who will vote any asshat politician who tries something or supports something like you suggest right out of office.

No, you don't exist. Why? Your idea of participation is not as vocal as theres.

Politicians "know" millions of illegals would vote for them if they were the ones to push this through. They know nothing about people who don't want it to go through, because those people do not make there wishes known.

Actually, they know a lot about American voters. They know that about half of them vote Democrat every time, and the other half vote Republican, every time. This makes 12 million potential shiny new voters extremely important to our leaders. The first party to grant them the mordida of amnesty or easy citizenship gets the votes. The rest of us are irrelevant now.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Toasthead
Illegals have no vote, therefore they dont exist in the eyes of politicians. sad...but true.

But by making them legal, you have a brand new group of potential voters, so MAYBE it could be beneficial for them to lead the 'make them legal' charge

Reward them for cutting in line and breaking the law to sneak in by granting them voter status? Brilliant! 😕

You know who DOES exist in the eyes of the politicians? The people who vote NOW. The people, like me, who will vote any asshat politician who tries something or supports something like you suggest right out of office.

No, you don't exist. Why? Your idea of participation is not as vocal as theres.

Politicians "know" millions of illegals would vote for them if they were the ones to push this through. They know nothing about people who don't want it to go through, because those people do not make there wishes known.

Actually, they know a lot about American voters. They know that about half of them vote Democrat every time, and the other half vote Republican, every time. This makes 12 million potential shiny new voters extremely important to our leaders. The first party to grant them the mordida of amnesty or easy citizenship gets the votes. The rest of us are irrelevant now.

you may be right, but I pray you're wrong...

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: homercles337
Youre such a dope that it boggles my mind. I dont even know where to begin. Were you dropped on your head as an infant? Im not the one with hate, you are. Do you WANT to work as a fruit picker, a cleaner, a cook, or whatever you will label as "blue collar?" What if someone from latin america (muxikans to you) moved here and worked to support his/her family? Arent you part of the "pro-family" group? What about the pro-offshoring group? If yes, then youre a hypocrite. Offshore good wage earning, benefits having jobs to china and inda, then close the borders so that blue-collar workers are in demand? Thus, lowering every possible living standard american workers have achieved? Ok, wait, i get it, only the fat cats at the top are allowed to excel? Do you realize youre buying into the political spin set up by the admin and big business?

Actually I did work as a cook, road crew construction, a tree trimmer, and a dishwasher. What's your point? I put myself through college doing blue collar jobs, I'm now white collar. My mom is an immigrant, a legal one too. This has nothing to do with pro-family, pro-offshoring, or anything else on your political agenda. It has to do with people abiding by this country's laws and waiting in line for your turn. My mom waited, she could have jumped a fence, but she didn't. And there's no reason these other people can't wait either. It's about are you for amnesty, or against it?

And by the way, since you're on the theoretical mindset: amnesty would in fact allow the "fat cats at the top to excel". The country standard of living would drop, and increase the divide between the rich and the poor even more than it is.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Toasthead
Illegals have no vote, therefore they dont exist in the eyes of politicians. sad...but true.

But by making them legal, you have a brand new group of potential voters, so MAYBE it could be beneficial for them to lead the 'make them legal' charge

Reward them for cutting in line and breaking the law to sneak in by granting them voter status? Brilliant! 😕

You know who DOES exist in the eyes of the politicians? The people who vote NOW. The people, like me, who will vote any asshat politician who tries something or supports something like you suggest right out of office.

No, you don't exist. Why? Your idea of participation is not as vocal as theres.

Politicians "know" millions of illegals would vote for them if they were the ones to push this through. They know nothing about people who don't want it to go through, because those people do not make there wishes known.

Actually, they know a lot about American voters. They know that about half of them vote Democrat every time, and the other half vote Republican, every time. This makes 12 million potential shiny new voters extremely important to our leaders. The first party to grant them the mordida of amnesty or easy citizenship gets the votes. The rest of us are irrelevant now.

It's a stretch to say the politicans care about votes as much as you think, considering 6% of all Hispanics voted last election (turnout was horrible).

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: ahurtt
You know who DOES exist in the eyes of the politicians? The people who vote NOW. The people, like me, who will vote any asshat politician who tries something or supports something like you suggest right out of office.

So illegal immigrants who started families here do not exist? Wow, just wow.

They do exist, but they don't belong here. The people waiting in line for legal citizenship do.

Let's give an example. Say I snuck into your house, and lived in your attic for years and even started a family there. What would you do when you found me? 😉

 

[palehorse]

for the record: Both my Mom and myself are legal immigrants to the US. Keep that in mind when you read my posts on this issue...

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: ahurtt
You know who DOES exist in the eyes of the politicians? The people who vote NOW. The people, like me, who will vote any asshat politician who tries something or supports something like you suggest right out of office.

So illegal immigrants who started families here do not exist? Wow, just wow. What if i wanted to make a LAW to export all dopes from the US? You would be one of them, do you object?

Not as long as you are in the seat right next to me.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: homercles337
Youre such a dope that it boggles my mind. I dont even know where to begin. Were you dropped on your head as an infant? Im not the one with hate, you are. Do you WANT to work as a fruit picker, a cleaner, a cook, or whatever you will label as "blue collar?" What if someone from latin america (muxikans to you) moved here and worked to support his/her family? Arent you part of the "pro-family" group? What about the pro-offshoring group? If yes, then youre a hypocrite. Offshore good wage earning, benefits having jobs to china and inda, then close the borders so that blue-collar workers are in demand? Thus, lowering every possible living standard american workers have achieved? Ok, wait, i get it, only the fat cats at the top are allowed to excel? Do you realize youre buying into the political spin set up by the admin and big business?

Actually I did work as a cook, road crew construction, a tree trimmer, and a dishwasher. What's your point? I put myself through college doing blue collar jobs, I'm now white collar. My mom is an immigrant, a legal one too. This has nothing to do with pro-family, pro-offshoring, or anything else on your political agenda. It has to do with people abiding by this country's laws and waiting in line for your turn. My mom waited, she could have jumped a fence, but she didn't. And there's no reason these other people can't wait either. It's about are you for amnesty, or against it?

And by the way, since you're on the theoretical mindset: amnesty would in fact allow the "fat cats at the top to excel". The country standard of living would drop, and increase the divide between the rich and the poor even more than it is.

If thats really the way you fell, im sorry for you. I also put myself through college running a printing press. Im the second in my family to graduate from college and the firrst to hold a masters and phd.

You should go back a few posts because i said that there is alot wrong with current immigration policy. I disagree with the RRR solution, which is basically the French and German solution. Do you want an immigration policy that mimicks france? I never said that i advocate "amnesty." However you define it would HURT big business. The "country standard of living" would force corporations to pay these workers at least minimum wage--that is an increase in case youre not paying attention. That means corps would be paying more out AND more dollars would be spent in the market, right? BUT, where do these "extra" dollars come from? Bottom line profits and CEO salaries. Great. Then just offshore to inda/china. But we now have 12 million new workers to employ in an already sad employment market. Hmmm...what then? THis is a mess and you RRRs are not going to fix it with your plan...end of story.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: ahurtt
You know who DOES exist in the eyes of the politicians? The people who vote NOW. The people, like me, who will vote any asshat politician who tries something or supports something like you suggest right out of office.

So illegal immigrants who started families here do not exist? Wow, just wow.

They do exist, but they don't belong here. The people waiting in line for legal citizenship do.

Let's give an example. Say I snuck into your house, and lived in your attic for years and even started a family there. What would you do when you found me? 😉

Holy crap, can you RRRs quit using this "house" analogy for christs sake?! These talking points from you guys are driving me nutz! Stop.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Toasthead
Illegals have no vote, therefore they dont exist in the eyes of politicians. sad...but true.

But by making them legal, you have a brand new group of potential voters, so MAYBE it could be beneficial for them to lead the 'make them legal' charge

Reward them for cutting in line and breaking the law to sneak in by granting them voter status? Brilliant! 😕

You know who DOES exist in the eyes of the politicians? The people who vote NOW. The people, like me, who will vote any asshat politician who tries something or supports something like you suggest right out of office.

No, you don't exist. Why? Your idea of participation is not as vocal as theres.

Politicians "know" millions of illegals would vote for them if they were the ones to push this through. They know nothing about people who don't want it to go through, because those people do not make there wishes known.

Actually, they know a lot about American voters. They know that about half of them vote Democrat every time, and the other half vote Republican, every time. This makes 12 million potential shiny new voters extremely important to our leaders. The first party to grant them the mordida of amnesty or easy citizenship gets the votes. The rest of us are irrelevant now.

It's not quite as polarized as you make it out to be because there is an increasingly growing moderate sector of voters. There are, I admit, core groups from the Dem and GOP side that will always vote for their side, no matter how ridiculous their candidate is.

 

[Genx87]

But we now have 12 million new workers to employ in an already sad employment market. Hmmm.

What world do you live in? Unemployment is down to 4.7%
In some places like MN, people with degree's have an essential 0% unemployment rate.
Unemployment is hardly sad in this country lmao.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: ahurtt
You know who DOES exist in the eyes of the politicians? The people who vote NOW. The people, like me, who will vote any asshat politician who tries something or supports something like you suggest right out of office.

So illegal immigrants who started families here do not exist? Wow, just wow.

They do exist, but they don't belong here. The people waiting in line for legal citizenship do.

Let's give an example. Say I snuck into your house, and lived in your attic for years and even started a family there. What would you do when you found me? 😉

Holy crap, can you RRRs quit using this "house" analogy for christs sake?! These talking points from you guys are driving me nutz! Stop.

RRR is ? I had never read the house analogy, but how come you're not answering the question? I can tell you that I would want the illegals out of my attic because they didn't live there. The person who called me from the advertisement in the paper, I would let live there.