Steeplerot
Lifer
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Here let me repeat myself:
There are already 12 million of them here, not so fairly either, what is done is done, get over it and save your hate for something constructive.
Here let me repeat myself:
There are already 12 million of them here, not so fairly either, what is done is done, get over it and save your hate for something constructive.
Steeple how old are you? 14? You can have a opinion about something without being racist, grow up a little and people might take you more seriously. Let me repeat myself, since you seem to not get it.
Immigrations laws are in place to differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants. If you came into the country properly, following the law, you are an legal immigrant. (which is fine). If you did not follow the proper procedure, you are illegal.
Understand it yet?
Steeplerot
Lifer
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I have no problem with screening people, its labeling them illegal by a bunch of illegal squatters which really makes me crack up laughing at all your overblown hypocricy and huff.
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Yup, except it's a bunch of lower level blue collars (fruit pickers, cleaners, cooks) telling white collars what to do.Originally posted by: jlbenedict
bingo..
thats like an MCSE telling an ASE certified mechanic how to do his job
So all muxikans (as you probably say) are fruit pickers, cleaners, or cooks? I think the Mexican in the office next to me here at MIT would disagree. Your small mindedness is showing. Was it Rush, Hannity & Colmes, your parents, or whoever that taught you about them dirty, greezy, stupid muxikans?
Steeplerot
Lifer
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No I understand very well the realities of this foolish double standard you call immigration law.
But its your little crusade to make people out to be illegals is very very ironic, your silly notions that you can deport them make me rofl, this idea about the "wall" heh..whos gonna build it? the mexicans? :laugh:
You all so so blindsided by cheap xenophobic fearmongering you have lost all sense of reality to be honest.
And what is pretty scary is your gunning for a all out class/race war in this country becasue some racist hate group tells you mexicans wanna steal your candy bar on fux news or lou bjobs show.
palehorse
Lifer
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you must realize that you are dealing with a person who entirely despises America and all Americans... heck, I'm beginning to think that she hates all humanity. So with that type of adversary, you will never get very far using silly things like logic, reason, and common sense.
I'm serious.. ignore Steeple. She hasn't had an original thought or decent point since birth.
All of her responses begin with an implied "YOU'RE THE DEVIL..."
Putting words in my mouth huh? Last shot of desperation? Your entire argument thread to thread is to label people racist who do not agree with illegal immigration. As I said, your ignorance is understandable seeying as you do not grasp basic concepts. Immigration law is put into place for a reason, you might think we should drop all border controls, remove all border guards and allow people to come through..but..oh wait...you said you support screening? Which is what immigration laws are, so not only are you ignorant, you a hypocrite as well when it comes to your own arguments.
So here Steep...why don't you tell us...
Why are immigration laws hypocritical?
Why can't illegal immigrants go the legal way to come to the country?
Why is everyone who does not agree with illegal immigration racist?
Why do you assume people who came here after immigration laws were set up, and went through the process of doing it legally, that they are still illegal?
If a countries leaders, and people born in the nation should decide they want to stem the flow of individuals comming to that nation who are comming illegally, why should they not be able too?
SP33Demon
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Actually, what I say is correct. And where did I say Mexicans asshat? It's a fact that 24% of illegals are in the Farming sector, 17% Cleaning, 14% Construction, 12% Food Prep, 9% Production, and 7% Transport.Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Yup, except it's a bunch of lower level blue collars (fruit pickers, cleaners, cooks) telling white collars what to do.Originally posted by: jlbenedict
bingo..
thats like an MCSE telling an ASE certified mechanic how to do his job
So all muxikans (as you probably say) are fruit pickers, cleaners, or cooks? I think the Mexican in the office next to me here at MIT would disagree. Your small mindedness is showing. Was it Rush, Hannity & Colmes, your parents, or whoever that taught you about them dirty, greezy, stupid muxikans?
Text, click on Interactive: Illegals in the US and educate yourself.
That sure looks like fruit pickers, cleaners, and cooks to me. Before you spout racist statements like the above (no kidding a Mexican can go to MIT, as can any black, Asian), you should remember that anytime you bring up race that hate breeds hate. I would suggest you don't post again for the chance of looking like a fool.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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logic, reason, and common sense? this coming from mr. "were gonna call in the gestapoo and round up all 12 million of them, and their families and march them across the border!"
Give me a freakin break..you are so deluded.
techs
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Genx87
EVERY person who is not a blinded religous fanatic like yourself is aware that American business is STRONGLY in favor of immigration and STRONGLY opposed to anthing that keeps illegal immigrants out.
If you EVER picked up a newspaper and read anything that wasn't Fox Propaganda, HECK even the Fox Propaganda show REPEATEDLY says business is pushing for more immigration, or guest workers and is not in favor of ANY law that would make it harder to employ illegals.
btw I think this is completely lost on you, so I am posting it so others can see your fanaticism and disregard your outlandish claims.
Can you formulate a msg or idea that is based in reality or have you finally gone off the deep end?
EVERY person who is not a blinded religous fanatic like yourself is aware that American business is STRONGLY in favor of immigration and STRONGLY opposed to anthing that keeps illegal immigrants out.
If you EVER picked up a newspaper and read anything that wasn't Fox Propaganda, HECK even the Fox Propaganda show REPEATEDLY says business is pushing for more immigration, or guest workers and is not in favor of ANY law that would make it harder to employ illegals.
btw I think this is completely lost on you, so I am posting it so others can see your fanaticism and disregard your outlandish claims.
Can you formulate a msg or idea that is based in reality or have you finally gone off the deep end?
Steeplerot
Lifer
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Those are all good questions but I have adressed some in this thread already and the rest in 16 pages of I love immigrants thread, with a lot more too.
First thing you have to realize is to step back from all this hype: its a big ass farce.
Count backwards from 10 slowly and realize immigrants are not out to get you.
Then start looking at history, then the reality of the situation, I have posted reasons for all of this, its up to use your thinking power to join the rational world.
Learn how to quote for starters. But judging by the last two replies, I dont have much hope you contain the mental capacity to do so.
Your ASSumption is I agree with big business and the church on this.
That is a big ASSumption that is incorrect.
And you are confusing two issues which is not a surprise. Legal and illegal immigration.
I am all for "legal" immigration but against "illegal" immigration.
Anything else you want to spit sentence fragments together with?
SP33Demon
Lifer
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Wow, what a racist post. Where to even begin, the stereotype that Mexicans will build the wall to imply that ALL blue collar work in the US is done by Mexicans? That's flat out stereotyping. For example my good friend runs a construction company, he said maybe 1 in 5 of his workers are Mexican.
Then you say that anyone who believes in deportation wants an all out race war against Mexicans? You sir, are trying to breed hate against Mexicans, it's obvious. I would advise you to stop spreading hate against a certain race before a mod gives you a vacation. 52% of illegals are Mexicans, that's about 1 in 2. Again, stop spreading hate through flat out racist and stereotypical posts or you will be reported.
I never said immigrants are out to get me, nor do I hate immigrants. I myself am a legal immigrant of the US, working on a green card, as I go to school in Canada and afterwish school in the us. The problem is with illegal immigrants. As I said, there is a difference between illegal and legal. If individuals wish to come to any country that they not born in, and are not citizens in, they should respect the country enough to follow the laws of the country.
So no, I am not blinded in a racist hate, actually I am realistic and can look at the whole picture, not just you who sits there and screms "think of the poor mexicans". You assume all illegals are mexicans, which is not the case. This follows into my next point, which because of people such as yourself who make the world think all illegals are mexicans.
There are other issues involved in border control, as well as the the screening reasons and other issues that the so called "double standard" immigration laws deal with.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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That is actually quite reasonable compared to what you were throwing out at first, I disagree with sending people back though, its a waste of money and a burden on our labor pool. Just fine them if you must (actually better to fine the employers if you can) and give them citizenship if they can pass background checks, too many familys you would have to break up, your not going to be able to leave a baby while someone waits in line to fullfill some immature grudge you hold. You would not need to lock borders down if you had a modern id card, (SS cards are a joke as we all know) they would not be able to be employed if law enforcement is doing their jobs.
Personally for security it is better imo to get unions going again, union employees would scream bloody murder if undocumented workers were lowering wages in their town, and as a added bonus they would keep the workplaces safer. But you may not be into that, (I got that idea from Ceasar Chavez and it supposedly worked well until corporations screwed over the unions and started letting migrants back in)
SP33Demon
Lifer
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This is true, I agree. The businesses are all for cheap labor (some use the term "slave") because it cuts their costs and gives them a higher stock price to report. Therein lies the problem: there are repercussions of cheap labor. Legal immigrants looking for work are now being undercut by illegals. They don't want to work for the cheapest price available, yet their own people are screwing them out of a job.
Greedy capitalist businesses will continue to exploit illegals, but noone cares because they're making money. But on the flipside, US citizens (and many of the same people who run these businesses) don't want to give them amnesty because that will create a flood of illegals from all borders because it's a shortcut to US citizenship. Therein lies the dilemma.
:thumbsup:
The National Guard would be utilized effectively and easily for your first step. Instead of playing "grab @$$" on their "two weeks a year" obligation, they could instead assist border patrol with real missions of locking down our borders. With all the National Guard units located in the states of the lower portion of the U.S., I do not see why this could not be accomplished.
SP33Demon
Lifer
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Finally, a solution from you Steeple. You are making progress. My question is, why are you supporting amnesty when you've previously posted propaganda that does not support amnesty?
I think Pale's solution is good, except I would change #6. I think they need to be deported so we don't promote amnesty, but only after X amount of time (2 years is probably enough) and working with a permit so taxes can be paid. That way, family fragmenting will be limited (they will have enough time to decide who is going, who is staying, etc) and you aren't sending the message the sneaking into the country is an easy way to gain citizenship. My .02
Steeplerot
Lifer
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:roll: dont start with me I have had the same stance for years now, you all were too wrapped up in OMFG nvkkkeee them! this week to pay attention to anything I say besides when I get pissed and call you all out for being so foolish.
And go back and read that again he never says no amnesty, he says BUSH says no amnesty.
Be more careful when you read before you call me out in two threads now for something you misread. ok pilgrim?
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