Why I like punk rock.

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I need to point something out to you guys. 90% of the punk bands out there are, to you, "pop punk". Let me clear this up: That is punk too. Maybe YOU don't listen to real punk, you listen to underground punk. That didn't ever occur to you, did it? Maybe 90% of the REAL punk fans out there disagree with you, and maybe they are right? Why does everyone think that the "real" music from a genre is the stuff that NO ONE has heard of? Think about it.

Oh yea, and I love the 'punk lifestyle', conforming to your nonconformist friends makes you a conformist.

You listen to house music.

Who cares what you think?

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Deeko
I need to point something out to you guys. 90% of the punk bands out there are, to you, "pop punk". Let me clear this up: That is punk too. Maybe YOU don't listen to real punk, you listen to underground punk. That didn't ever occur to you, did it? Maybe 90% of the REAL punk fans out there disagree with you, and maybe they are right? Why does everyone think that the "real" music from a genre is the stuff that NO ONE has heard of? Think about it.

Oh yea, and I love the 'punk lifestyle', conforming to your nonconformist friends makes you a conformist.

You listen to house music.

Who cares what you think?

I actually listen to a little bit of everything, from Oscar G to Jurassic 5 to Tool to NSync. Punk is the single genre that I just can't stand a single song.

 

[achiral]

Originally posted by: notfred
The lyrics make sense. You can listen to the damn song and know what they mean. You ever try to understand what Bush or the Smashing Pumpkins are actually talking about? Also, 90%+ of punk rock isn't about love/women/relationships/etc....

straightforward and to the point:

I don't give a fvck about nicaragua
I don't give a sh!t about the President
I don't care about suburban white kids
Trying to show they've got compassion
Politics are boring
Politics are fvcking boring
Philosophizing propoganda spewing
Teenage armchair revolutionaries
What's the problem? What's the matter?
You're sitting there getting fatter
You say that you hate capitalism
And won't you compromise
But when you're out of cigarettes
THE FUNNY THING IS YOUR BUTT'S FULL OF JIZZ
You pompous ass your moral outrage
Gives me a fvcking headache
Closed your mind got all the answers
Don't even realize you're an asshole
If you had any brains I guess you'd see
You're a narrow minded judgemental left wing nazi
I don't give a fvck about Nicarauga (x4)
*That's why I spelled it wrong


Here's some lyrics from a more popular band/song:

I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering. Fundamental differing.
Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers souls in motion
Disintegrating as it goes testing our communication
The light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us so
We cannot see to reach an end crippling our communication.

I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them tumble down
No fault, none to blame it doesn't mean I don't desire to
Point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over.
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication

The poetry that comes from the squaring off between,
And the circling is worth it.
Finding beauty in the dissonance.

There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away.
Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting
I've done the math enough to know the dangers of our second guessing
Doomed to crumble unless we grow, and strengthen our communication.

Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any
Sense of compassion
Between supposed lovers/brothers

Dont get me wrong, it's a good song, but I don't want to spend 45 minutes trying to figure out what he's saying. I like the "get to the point" approach.

this explains a lot about you

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Deeko
I need to point something out to you guys. 90% of the punk bands out there are, to you, "pop punk". Let me clear this up: That is punk too. Maybe YOU don't listen to real punk, you listen to underground punk. That didn't ever occur to you, did it? Maybe 90% of the REAL punk fans out there disagree with you, and maybe they are right? Why does everyone think that the "real" music from a genre is the stuff that NO ONE has heard of? Think about it.

Oh yea, and I love the 'punk lifestyle', conforming to your nonconformist friends makes you a conformist.

You listen to house music.

Who cares what you think?

I actually listen to a little bit of everything, from Oscar G to Jurassic 5 to Tool to NSync. Punk is the single genre that I just can't stand a single song.

I am pretty sure that, if you have such a diverse musical taste, that I could find a song or two that you would like.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Deeko
I need to point something out to you guys. 90% of the punk bands out there are, to you, "pop punk". Let me clear this up: That is punk too. Maybe YOU don't listen to real punk, you listen to underground punk. That didn't ever occur to you, did it? Maybe 90% of the REAL punk fans out there disagree with you, and maybe they are right? Why does everyone think that the "real" music from a genre is the stuff that NO ONE has heard of? Think about it.

Oh yea, and I love the 'punk lifestyle', conforming to your nonconformist friends makes you a conformist.

You listen to house music.

Who cares what you think?

I actually listen to a little bit of everything, from Oscar G to Jurassic 5 to Tool to NSync. Punk is the single genre that I just can't stand a single song.

hmmm nsync... punk.... nsync... punk... ok i think we know where the problem lies now.

 

[raptor13]

Boy Sets Fire.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Deeko
I need to point something out to you guys. 90% of the punk bands out there are, to you, "pop punk". Let me clear this up: That is punk too. Maybe YOU don't listen to real punk, you listen to underground punk. That didn't ever occur to you, did it? Maybe 90% of the REAL punk fans out there disagree with you, and maybe they are right? Why does everyone think that the "real" music from a genre is the stuff that NO ONE has heard of? Think about it.

Oh yea, and I love the 'punk lifestyle', conforming to your nonconformist friends makes you a conformist.

You listen to house music.

Who cares what you think?

I actually listen to a little bit of everything, from Oscar G to Jurassic 5 to Tool to NSync. Punk is the single genre that I just can't stand a single song.

I am pretty sure that, if you have such a diverse musical taste, that I could find a song or two that you would like.

I haven't found anything yet, but you are welcome to try.

hmmm nsync... punk.... nsync... punk... ok i think we know where the problem lies now.

What about the others? Don't have much to say about them? nsync makes up 4 songs on my playlist of 1500.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I need to point something out to you guys. 90% of the punk bands out there are, to you, "pop punk". Let me clear this up: That is punk too. Maybe YOU don't listen to real punk, you listen to underground punk. That didn't ever occur to you, did it? Maybe 90% of the REAL punk fans out there disagree with you, and maybe they are right? Why does everyone think that the "real" music from a genre is the stuff that NO ONE has heard of? Think about it.

Oh yea, and I love the 'punk lifestyle', conforming to your nonconformist friends makes you a conformist.

spoken like someone who has no clue. 90% are you kidding me? maybe 90% of the punk bands you hear ON THE RADIO.

"underground" punk?

the reason people consider the punk bands to be pop punk, is because that is what they are. it is punk that has been poppified, and is thus liked by the masses. why would the same punk that has been going on for more than 2 decades suddenly become the "underground" and some new version become the "real" punk? that doesn't make any sense.

and btw i listen to poppunk

 

[roncarter]

Punk Rock is for Punks! DUH!

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: roncarter
Punk Rock is for Punks! DUH!

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Deeko
I need to point something out to you guys. 90% of the punk bands out there are, to you, "pop punk". Let me clear this up: That is punk too. Maybe YOU don't listen to real punk, you listen to underground punk. That didn't ever occur to you, did it? Maybe 90% of the REAL punk fans out there disagree with you, and maybe they are right? Why does everyone think that the "real" music from a genre is the stuff that NO ONE has heard of? Think about it.

Oh yea, and I love the 'punk lifestyle', conforming to your nonconformist friends makes you a conformist.

spoken like someone who has no clue. 90% are you kidding me? maybe 90% of the punk bands you hear ON THE RADIO.

"underground" punk?

the reason people consider the punk bands to be pop punk, is because that is what they are. it is punk that has been poppified, and is thus liked by the masses. why would the same punk that has been going on for more than 2 decades suddenly become the "underground" and some new version become the "real" punk? that doesn't make any sense.

and btw i listen to poppunk

I garuntee you that, not including little unsigned bands that don't have a CD, there are alot more of these 'pop punk' bands than 'real punk'. No question.

 

[dugweb]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: LyNx01
What's the names of those two songs?

first one is: Screeching Weasel - Nicaragua
Second one is: Tool - Schism

its funny that your attempting to defend punk rock than you list the lyrics for a tool song tools music (lyrics are great, but just focusing on instruments) is amazing, there is no way you can compare it to punk let alone group them together.

punk was an ok genre in high school, but if you really learn to love music and the ability it has to convey emotion then i think most people will shy away from punk... i bet you even begin to dislike punk one day

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: hdeck
ok here goes nothing...

lyrics = wasted time between guitar solos
punk = NO GUITAR SOLOS!! and if they do have them, its a simple scale or progression. what a waste of my time.

you may enjoy punk because "the lyrics are easy to understand" but all that means is the songwriter is too stupid to come up with something thought-provoking without a 5 year-old being able to understand it.

and sorry, but i can't stand to a band playing the same chord progression over and over again, then changing it slightly for a chorus or bridge.

give me Metallica, Hendrix, Zeppelin. Take your punk elsewhere.

bad religion

thank you for making a fool out of yourself.

Also Strung Out.

 

[Mill]

Showtunes pwnz j00!!!

 

[notfred]

Yeah, ok you can say punk is not particularly complex musically. fine
You can also say that tool song I posted isn't the hardest song in the world to understand. fine
You can say that the screeching weasel lyrics I posted are drivel writtne by some angry 17 year old. fine
You can also say that there are plenty of punk songs that aren't as straightforward as that one. whatever.
You can call me an idiot or a moron or whatever cause of my taste in music.

However, everyone seems to have missed the point. Whether or not the lyrics in that screeching weasel song I posted are mindless drivel isn't significant. I like the punk attitude that is "I'm going to say what I think and I don't care if you like it or not". I like the fact that the point of the song is "fvck politics" and the content of the song is "fvck politics". It doesn't even matter if there's any real substance behind the particular song.

I guess if you dont get it, fine, keep calling me names, it'll make your preferred music better.

 

[dugweb]

repost

 

[raptor13]

I say again:



Boy Sets Fire.

 

[gopunk]

I garuntee you that, not including little unsigned bands that don't have a CD, there are alot more of these 'pop punk' bands than 'real punk'. No question.

i guarantee you that you're wrong, if you include all the mom and pop record labels.

and please address the other point i made... sure pop punk is a type of punk.... but it seems a bit weird to call it the "real" punk and then relegate the original punk music to be "underground" punk.

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's interesting that whenever I slam a genre like rap, and now punk, people tell me that all the mainstream stuff is bad and I should listen to the less popular. How is it that by this definition rap and punk have never had a song worthy of the masses, whereas rock and pop and other genres have had good stuff unknown by the masses, but also good stuff known by them?

It has nothing to do with songs being "worthy of the masses". It has to do with what is socially accepted as good music. Green Day was a great band and they put out a bunch of songs that were accepted by Top-40 fans. Offspring too. etc. The problem with punk rock is that people tend to be elitists. Once a band hits it, they are no longer considered "punk rock" by the community. Green Day is a perfect example of that.

Take a band like Bad Religion. One of my all-time favorite bands. They have a lot of great songs that were never released for radio play. I can give you a list if you want. Just because the whole world doesn't like or know about something, that doesn't make it bad.

What irritates me is when people don't like a few songs from a particular genre of music, they immediately dismiss that type of music as garbage.

What is referred to as punk these days hardly resembles what punk originally meant. Punk at it's roots is anti-capitalist, therefore signing onto a record label makes you a sell-out, rightfully so.
It's not punk, it's neo-punk, just like they shouldn't be called liberals, they should be called 'neo-liberals'...
this doublespeak thing we've got going on these days is pretty amusing (read fuct).
Punk was music for poor people getting screwed by the status quo.

Actually, the same goes for hip hop.

 

[gopunk]

What is referred to as punk these days hardly resembles what punk originally meant. Punk at it's roots is anti-capitalist, therefore signing onto a record label makes you a sell-out, rightfully so.
It's not punk, it's neo-punk, just like they shouldn't be called liberals, they should be called 'neo-liberals'...
this doublespeak thing we've got going on these days is pretty amusing (read fuct).
Punk was music for poor people getting screwed by the status quo.

Actually, the same goes for hip hop.

no, punk was music for people who were tired of all that soft hippie sh!t back in the 70's.

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: raptor13
I say again:



Boy Sets Fire.

Death by Stereo

 

[agnitrate]

Originally posted by: notfred

I like the punk attitude that is "I'm going to say what I think and I don't care if you like it or not". I like the fact that the point of the song is "fvck politics" and the content of the song is "fvck politics". It doesn't even matter if there's any real substance behind the particular song.

I'll give you that. I like the fact that they're saying that but I just can never look upon 'punks' or 'punk music' the same after seeing SLC Punk. I could see myself appreciating the music but never the convictions behind it because I know nobody is a true supporter of it.

The only reason I could see myself listening to it is if I like their sound. So far I've only really hard of one punk band that I can actually stand to listen to and that's Rancid. I don't actively go searching for punk music though so that's probably why I haven't found more. To each his own.

-silver

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: gopunk

What is referred to as punk these days hardly resembles what punk originally meant. Punk at it's roots is anti-capitalist, therefore signing onto a record label makes you a sell-out, rightfully so.
It's not punk, it's neo-punk, just like they shouldn't be called liberals, they should be called 'neo-liberals'...
this doublespeak thing we've got going on these days is pretty amusing (read fuct).
Punk was music for poor people getting screwed by the status quo.

Actually, the same goes for hip hop.

no, punk was music for people who were tired of all that soft hippie sh!t back in the 70's.

You're wrong.
That's the common jock-punk mentality that original punk railed against.
In every genre you will have your followers though, sadly, and punk is no exception.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: smp
What is referred to as punk these days hardly resembles what punk originally meant. Punk at it's roots is anti-capitalist, therefore signing onto a record label makes you a sell-out, rightfully so.
It's not punk, it's neo-punk, just like they shouldn't be called liberals, they should be called 'neo-liberals'...
this doublespeak thing we've got going on these days is pretty amusing (read fuct).
Punk was music for poor people getting screwed by the status quo.

Sez you!
Late 70's - early 80's Punk was not a standardized religion with catechism, it was a general rebellion against conformity in music and life with many different opinions of what to keep and what to destroy.

And many punk bands wanted to spread their message via records as well as live performances. Call Henry Rollins a sellout and he'll rearrange your face

Oingo Boingo - "Capitalism":

There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with free enterprise
Don't try to make me feel guilty
I'm so tired of hearing you cry

There's nothing wrong with making some profit
If you ask me I'll say it's just fine
There's nothing wrong with wanting to live nice
I'm so tired of hearing you whine
About the revolution
Bringin' down the rich
When was the last time you dug a ditch, baby!

If it ain't one thing
Then it's the other
Any cause that crosses your path
Your heart bleeds for anyone's brother
I've got to tell you you're a pain in the ass

You criticize with plenty of vigor
You rationalize everything that you do
With catchy phrases and heavy quotations
And everybody is crazy but you

You're just a middle class, socialist brat
From a suburban family and you never really had to work
And you tell me that we've got to get back
To the struggling masses (whoever they are)
You talk, talk, talk about suffering and pain
Your mouth is bigger than your entire brain
What the hell do you know about suffering and pain . . .

(Repeat first verse)

(Repeat chorus)

There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism

 

[DaveSimmons]

Some 80's punk with melody and not just 2 chords:

Oingo Boingo - Only A Lad, Good for Your Soul, Farewell (live)
Public Image Limited - 9, Greatest Hits
X - Under The Big Black Sun