Why I dont play EVE Online Anymore

[ibex333]

Although EVE is the best MMO out there, it is still an MMO and suffers from the same issues all other MMOs do - draws you in, wastes your time and money without actually giving anything tangible in return.

I realized, that no matter how much I grind, I never really have enough isk for anything I want to do. Even small ship, small gang warfare turns out to be way too expensive when all factors come into play. And then there's the logistics... LOGISTICS, LOGISTICS, LOGISTICS.

Lets say I want to just jump into a ship and go kill someone. Well... I cant. I have to go on the market and look for all necessary parts.. guns, mods, ammo, the ship itself, etc. If I dont care for my money, I can buy it all in one place. but if I do care... oh boy!

I have to fly to several different stations, then I have to actually activate the ship, equip it, etc. And if at least it would all be over there... NO! Then there's the actual flying to the place where I can get some action. Long, tedious, flying. And all for what? Getting blown to pieces in a matter of seconds! And then the whole buying/fitting/flying starts all over again!!!

So then I though.. Screw it. I wont fight. I'll be a carebear. I did this for years. What a waste that was. I was grinding for months, just to make enough isk to buy a PLEX and avoid monthly fees. God.. What a chore! It felt like a full time job. and I could never really save enough isk to be truly awesome, like everyone else seems to be.

And then I realized it. Well, more like finally accepted it. I knew it all along. In EVE, just like in real life, money shouldn't be earned with hard labor. That is loser's path. Money needs to be "obtained".. "made", if you will, by cheating, scamming, screwing someone over, etc. It's the only way to make some REAL money.

So I started doing research. I quickly discovered that some really clever folks know how to work the market system. They are so damn good, that they make billions every single month. These people are supposedly really good in math, and understand economics and how the market works. On top of that they got tons of time, and can just sit there, looking at tons of data, comparing items and regions. Then they find a system where they can exploit people's greed, and earn money using the fact that many folks dont wantto fly far to buy what they need.

I tried it, but it never really worked for me. Simple because I wasn't willing to put in the time and the effort. But then again. I did. I put in years. I figured, if I couldn't get it by then, I might as well just give up. I had some successes, but I always got "owned" by someone much smarter than me. Someone who has much more time and patience.

But all that was not really scamming or cheating. It was a waste of time. That is what that was.

I looked online some more and found.... The mining bots! That was so fun for a while. Leave for work, come back and you got millions in ore in your hangar. It worked well for a short while. It took many days, but eventually I got a Freighter - something I couldn't even dream of, playing legit. and then... BOOM! Ban! Luckily it wasn't a perma ban, so I came back and continued playing. This time I went 100% legit. Tried paying for my account instead of buying PLEXES. That didnt work very well at all, and made me feel liek crap paying $15/mo, knowing that I can buy a new video card every Christmas with the money I'm throwing away for EVE.

Eventually, I started doing MORE research, and I finally found it. Apparently there are some folks that are simply so far ahead of everyone else that they cannot even be touched. These are the programmers. These guys simply created programs, that buy and sell items automatically on their behalf. I checked on EVE forums and found a ton of fools that denied that market bots exist. But these "fools" were probably the people who use these bots in the 1st place. I later found plenty of evidence, to prove beyond any doubt, that market bots really do exist, and they in fact allow their creators to make trillions.
I dont understand why anyone would want to play this damn game, knowing that some clever guys are putting all their hard efforts to shame. That was the last drop for me. I stopped playing EVE, and I dont regret my decision. I bought tons of games on STEAM with the money I would have wasted on EVE, and these are the games I get to keep, and enjoy over and over again, unlike EVE which I can only enjoy as long as I keep paying for it.

My friend, who didn't quit EVE unlike me, keeps trying to get me back into this game.
He claims that it doesn't matter that some people are cheating the system because it is also happening in real life, and in ways which are much more insulting to any hard, honest worker as opposed to EVE. However, according to him, he wont let that get in the way of him enjoying the game he loves.

He claims that he is now making over 600 million isk per month mining planets. And that is on just one account in hi sec! He explained the whole process to me, and all fired up I tried it. I found this process extremely time consuming and tedious, as everything else is in EVE and cancelled my account again.

Anyhow, I agree that EVE Online, is a very, very nice game. But it is not worth anyone's time, IMHO, who knows what's good for him/her.

 

[JSt0rm]

I found the markets to be pretty easy. Nice passive income stream. However I intend on winding down my eve playing as well. It has more to do with doors and in game clothing. The last 3 expansions have been horrible and ccp is stretched thin trying to make 2 other games at the same time. I dont need to support that.

 

[KaOTiK]

I found the markets to be pretty easy. Nice passive income stream. However I intend on winding down my eve playing as well. It has more to do with doors and in game clothing. The last 3 expansions have been horrible and ccp is stretched thin trying to make 2 other games at the same time. I dont need to support that.

This for me. I've been playing less and less and just do my market orders every other day now since I have made a nice fortune and have enough isk to pay for my 3 accounts in plex for many years.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Yeah, I havn't been doing much more than logging in to setup the training queue lately. I made a small push when the time came for needing a plex, so I made 400m that week... Other than that, I havn't been doing much since the last horrible expansion.

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that my corp left W-Space and went to go missioning in Null, which just isn't for me. I missioned for the first 4-5 months, and didn't do much more than grind my status up just enough to have the corp change directions, have everyone move to a different missioning hub and start over with standings again, and grind on up, only to rinse-repeat, until we went into W-Space where I actually made ISK. And then we left W-Space to go back to missioning and start some POS bashing/ransoming (and missioning at yet another corp, so standings grind yet again), and then back into W-Space. And now back to missioning, at again, yet another corp/faction, so yet more grind. This time I have had it with the grind and am not doing it. I will probably dump this corp and move to one that does W-Space stuff. In the meantime, I have decided what I want to do with one of my characters and have set him on a path to super-carriers (he is finishing up leadership 5 so he can start on the fighter drones and then bombers). Pretty sure he will go Gallente, since that seems to be the only one that works.

In the meantime, on the other account I am training up a freighter/orca/jump-freighter pilot (may wait on the jump-freighter part, and just do the other two for now), and will then get back to my combat pilot to finish the last of the racial cruisers to V and then get battlecruisers to V for command ships (and then should finish off recon V, hic V, and hac V). He will be a pretty deadly pilot in W-space at that point.

 

[Maligx]

I played during beta and that was it, worth playing anymore because it sounds like botting is the only way to 'play' without spending half your life getting any where.

 

[Nebor]

Clearly top 1% aren't being taxed enough.

Move to P&N.

 

[JSt0rm]

Clearly top 1% aren't being taxed enough.

Move to P&N.

??

 

[ImpulsE69]

I have to agree really. I loved this game more than any other game I've played, but to accomplish anything in it requires such a time investment. I too came to the realization I was doing more "farming" to get my pvp ships than actual pvp at times. I did discover the market was a good way to make money though. Ultimately though, it just seemed dumb to spend so much time doing these odd things just to be able to do the only part I really liked (PVP).

 

[darkewaffle]

Welcome to MMOs! Hope you enjoy your stay on the hamster wheel.

 

[power_hour]

if only the combat wasn't such a snooze fest...

 

[Kristijonas]

And I don't play EVE because of the text font size. It's possible to read it, but that is it. It's uncomfortable. Will be playing when they fix this, although I've read that this has been an issue for many years.

 

[KaOTiK]

Yeah the font size has been bitched about forever it seems. I hate it myself with doing market orders and wanting to lean back and relax in the chair. I have excellent eye sight and it bugs me quite a bit. More so cause I like to do my market adjustments when I first wake up and everything is half blurry cause of that alone, that hour it takes to do it is the perfect amount of time till I'm fully awake.

 

[randay]

when i quit i had about 100 bil in isk and 100 in assets. i only quit because friends i had made in the previous years of playing had quit as well. its like any other mmo, its most fun when you play with friends. and these arent irl friends, im talking about friends who i had made in game when i had first started. people from all over the world, that was one huge difference between other mmos. mostly its just regional, eve is everywhere.

your best bet is to join an active corp in an active alliance and make friends.

 

[zinfamous]

I read the first 3 paragraphs and totally agree with the grind grind grind, tedious fetch it all for nothing in return but depressingly wasted hours of life.

I haven't played Eve, but I feel that x3 has given me the same exact experience. It's fun--don't get me wrong, and has only cost me ~$5 total...but after 60 hours of play, I have barely started the main game mission. Running around, creating a trade network, trying to buy ships, build fleet, search for abandoned ships, etc.

awesome sandbox, but damn...

 

[roguerower]

I just ran out of interest. From freshman to beginning of senior year in college I was really into it and did a lot of everything. 0.0 combat, mining, trading, joined a bunch of awesome Corps, did some alliance combat, etc., but I eventually grew bored with it and ended up canceling both of my accounts. 0.0 combat got boring because it was a constant search for targets that usually didn't lead to anything, trading/mining was always a pain in the ass because I couldn't commit the time to it, and missions sucked because I was minmatar whose ships were a massive PITA to mission with.

I've thought about starting it up again, but just recalling all the effort that it took me to get where I was when I left gives me a headache.

As it is I don't play games enough anymore. I go weeks without turning on my Xbox or PS3 and I just started playing on my PC again in the last two weeks.

 

[Martimus]

I had been playing for a little over 2 years. I have around 3B ISK in my bank account, and about 10B ISK in assets. I don't really have an issue keeping enough ISK to pay for my PvP habit, as I actually make isk off of PVP since I only lose about 1 ship a month (I have an efficiency of a little over 97&#37. I had fun playing, and killed over 1400 ships in that 2 years.

That said, I had figured out a way to kill an enemy Titan, since they are very predictable in how they move it, and I could easily just put a couple cloaked HICs next to their POS in Low Sec that they jump it to on a regular basis. I came up with an easy plan, with very little risk on our end, and I realized I just didn't care if I killed it or not. It was a Titan, the best kill I could get in the game, but I just didn't care about it. Plus it was piloted by a douchebag that I don't like, and I still realized that I had no interest in really killing it, since it didn't really matter.

That was the point I stopped playing. That doesn't mean that I won't come back, as I didn't unsubscribe, but I don't have any inclination to play right now, and I haven't in over a month now. I still have about 40 ships fitted and ready for PvP, and all the fittings and ammo and drones I need ready if I do come back.

 

[AstroManLuca]

This is why I do not and never will play MMOs.

 

[SunnyD]

I had been playing for a little over 2 years. I have around 3B ISK in my bank account, and about 10B ISK in assets. I don't really have an issue keeping enough ISK to pay for my PvP habit, as I actually make isk off of PVP since I only lose about 1 ship a month (I have an efficiency of a little over 97&#37. I had fun playing, and killed over 1400 ships in that 2 years.

That said, I had figured out a way to kill an enemy Titan, since they are very predictable in how they move it, and I could easily just put a couple cloaked HICs next to their POS in Low Sec that they jump it to on a regular basis. I came up with an easy plan, with very little risk on our end, and I realized I just didn't care if I killed it or not. It was a Titan, the best kill I could get in the game, but I just didn't care about it. Plus it was piloted by a douchebag that I don't like, and I still realized that I had no interest in really killing it, since it didn't really matter.

That was the point I stopped playing. That doesn't mean that I won't come back, as I didn't unsubscribe, but I don't have any inclination to play right now, and I haven't in over a month now. I still have about 40 ships fitted and ready for PvP, and all the fittings and ammo and drones I need ready if I do come back.

This is very telling, given how gung-ho you were just a year ago about EVE. When even the hardcore players realize that it's JUST... NOT... FUN.

It distills down to a graphical spreadsheet. One in which the only real way to get ahead in the game is to be told what to do or simply cheat. The rush of it dies once you realize it boils down to numbers. At that point, opening up Excel is the equivalent of playing EVE.

My accounts sit idle, gathering emails from CCP begging me to come back. Once I realized that you CAN'T do exactly what CCP promised you COULD do - which was supposed to be "Anything" - I was done.

 

[ichy]

I've taken multiple EVE breaks, but so far I've always ended up coming back. One thing that has really kept me going is that I've finally learned how to do solo (well not truly solo, it's one combat character and one scanning alt) PvP effectively. Human opponents are just so much more interesting than any kind of AI enemies.

 

[SMOGZINN]

This thread could just as easily be titled 'Why I don't play MMO's'
They are all the same, a hamster wheel that is just constantly tuned to be just hard enough to make it look like a few more hours will get you to that level where you can start to have fun, but you never actually get there, or if you do manage it it only lasts a few hours before you have to start back over.

I use to play WoW, and quit when I realized that they had it set up so that ever time I made it to where I could enjoy my work they released a new update that made me start all over. Grind 1000 rep with X to get my new helm of ridiculous glow, a new patch comes in and with it a new helm that glows even brighter! All I have to do now is grind 1000 rep with this new group…Wait, haven I done this before?

 

[Martimus]

This is very telling, given how gung-ho you were just a year ago about EVE. When even the hardcore players realize that it's JUST... NOT... FUN.

I actually disagree with this, the game is fun. It is just that I lost interest in it after a while.

I found a niche I was good at, and I enjoyed doing it. But I had other things to do with my time, and I felt it was time to do them.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SunnyD
This is very telling, given how gung-ho you were just a year ago about EVE. When even the hardcore players realize that it's JUST... NOT... FUN.

I actually disagree with this, the game is fun. It is just that I lost interest in it after a while.

I found a niche I was good at, and I enjoyed doing it. But I had other things to do with my time, and I felt it was time to do them."

Same. It's not that the game isn't fun. It IS. There are just annoyances. For me the biggest annoyance would be if a corp dissolved. That usually meant moving everything halfway across the map. I hated that. That is usually when I'd take a break. But all in all it was a fun time. It was cool all the different cultures you befriended (or enemied) through the course of it. Listening to Russians run fleet battles was hilarious.

Sure it may all come down to numbers, but so is ANY game. The fun is the adventure along the way. If you just tried to do everything yourself..yes it could get boring fast..but then, if that's the kinda thing you like, that's an entirely different adventure. It just takes such dedication to be good at it.

I once made a char named SantaPod and would fly around in my pod during December at random just saying "Merry Christmas" in every system from high, low and 0.0. Never got podded in 100's of systems. It was just a stupid kind of an experiment, and I was pleasantly surprised at the outcome because I figured I'd get podded quickly lol. Most thought it was funny though.

 

[lord_emperor]

I wish I could quit real life for the same reasons.

Oh wait that's why I play games.... shit.

 

[Red Storm]

I only ever played EVE because it was a space game. I tried X3 but the learning curve seemed quite brutal so I didn't last long with that game. EVE actually had a much easier learning curve for me personally (which is something you never hear about the game) so I stuck with it. Eventually it just got boring though. I was looking for a space exploration game that wasn't focused on PVP, and EVE just doesn't serve that niche well.

 

[Maligx]

Eh tried it out, fonts too small and some how deleted my starting skill.. when I found out there was an in game calculator I quit. My time would be better spent learning physics instead.