Why I believe Israel shouldnt attack Iran's nuclear factories

[Freshgeardude]

As we all know, Iran is producing uranium and it is believed that they are enriching it to be used in a nuclear warhead.

We also know that Joe Biden has said that the US will not stop Israel in attacking Iran and destroying the threat.


I honestly believe that Israel should NOT be part of an attack that involves destroying the nuclear factory.

Why? well, we have seen EVERY WAR that Israel has been involved in. Never has Israel, out of random, attacked a country or place without an underlying reason.

In recent times, the Second Lebanon War was started because Hezbollah kidnapped Israeli soldiers. The attacks on Gaza, because Israel had been attacked by missiles almost every day from the months before.

Among every war that came and went, it ended up with the world saying it was Israel's fault, they used too much force, blah blah blah.

The world won't change come the time if/when Israel attacks Iran's nuclear factory. The world will turn blind. They are going to forget that a Iran was NOT following the rules of the IAEA. They are going to forget that imaduchejad calls for the destruction of Israel. They are going to forget that 60% of all the people 30 and younger, if I believe, protested against the election (which btw will make up most of their army come wartime). They are going to forget that a nuclear Iran is not only a threat to Israel, but to any country in its range, including Europe and Asia


The world will forget EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM with Iran and say, "look Israel attacked Iran first!" Then, a war could possibly break out because Iran will be pissed. Then the world's media will do what they did during Operation Cast Lead, which was, be TOTALLY negative against Israel.

This is why, I firmly believe that the attack on the nuclear factories of Iran, if happen, should not involve Israel AT ALL. This will show that even though Israel is the most likely to attack the factories and is the most likely to be hit by a missile strike, if attempted, that the world cares more about peace than nuclear attacks and that Israel can play it nice as long as not attacked on.

Nuclear bombs pose a great threat, not just to Israel, but to the entire world. Having countries like Iran and NK, who have radical leaders is NOT safe and needs to be dealt with by the WORLD and not by individual countries.

 

[jpeyton]

I honestly believe that we shouldn't bomb Iran unless they actually start a war.

You know, the same reasoning for war they used back in the old days. When we didn't have GWB's crystal ball to tell us which countries we should attack pre-emptively.

The US doesn't need to lose another 4,000 soldiers or trillions of dollars in an unneeded war.

 

[Freshgeardude]

I believe that too, we shouldnt attack Iran unless they start the war, but, one nuke over Israel and it is gone. Israel has a missile defense system that works well now, but we never can be so sure with a nuke. one little slip, one little mistake. one circuit that works incorrectly, and the entire country could be gone. its not worth the risk at all. I am not sure if you know how small it really is. being there myself, its crazy. from the west bank, on a hill, you can see coast so easily, only being 12 miles. from the north tip to the south, its only a 6 hour drive.

its like standing in front of a gun that is loaded, with the person holding the gun saying that the bullets are blanks. yea, they probably are, but are you going to threaten your life over something you can never be sure about?

 

[Moonbeam]

It doesn't really matter what you believe. Israel will do what it want. We can't stop them but that doesn't mean we won't work against them if it is in our best interest to. Listen more carefully to what Biden said.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Israel wont move unless they get the support of the US. Israel already wanted to bomb Iran's factories and fly over iraq, but the US said no

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
Israel wont move unless they get the support of the US. Israel already wanted to bomb Iran's factories and fly over iraq, but the US said no

thats not true at all!!
Can we all have some of what you are smokin??

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
Israel wont move unless they get the support of the US. Israel already wanted to bomb Iran's factories and fly over iraq, but the US said no

thats not true at all!!
Can we all have some of what you are smokin??

idk, I remember the same thing... the Bush admin pressuring Israel into not bombing Iran, that is.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
Israel wont move unless they get the support of the US. Israel already wanted to bomb Iran's factories and fly over iraq, but the US said no

thats not true at all!!
Can we all have some of what you are smokin??

idk, I remember the same thing... the Bush admin pressuring Israel into not bombing Iran, that is.

It`s actually not true at all!
What we as americans don`t realize is we don`t have any influence on Israel at all unless it`s to there advantage anyways. Just because it could have appeared as if we pressured Israel to do something the bottom line is that israel probably had no intent on doing it anyways.

You say you remember.....if you are correct you would think thgere was some sort of link....

 

[yllus]

Israel isn't going to bomb Iran - unless they have some really incredible, up-to-the-second intel on where all of the facilities are located, there's no way they'll do much more than put a dent in Iran's nuclear ambitions. They won't authorize a half-assed job when the result will be a greater pariah status than they've ever known before.

Nobody wants Iran to have nuclear weapons, but it's impossible to stop. Might as well instead try to build some kind of relationship with the Iranian regime to start down the path of them discontinuing support of anti-Israel and anti-West terrorism.

 

[StageLeft]

Agree with yllus. They won't do anything unless they can be extremely confident they can knock it back 10-20 years or an attack is imminent once Iran gets nukes (and of course it is absolutely not).

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
As we all know, Iran is producing uranium and it is believed that they are enriching it to be used in a nuclear warhead.

We also know that Joe Biden has said that the US will not stop Israel in attacking Iran and destroying the threat.


I honestly believe that Israel should NOT be part of an attack that involves destroying the nuclear factory.

Why? well, we have seen EVERY WAR that Israel has been involved in. Never has Israel, out of random, attacked a country or place without an underlying reason.

In recent times, the Second Lebanon War was started because Hezbollah kidnapped Israeli soldiers. The attacks on Gaza, because Israel had been attacked by missiles almost every day from the months before.

Among every war that came and went, it ended up with the world saying it was Israel's fault, they used too much force, blah blah blah.

The world won't change come the time if/when Israel attacks Iran's nuclear factory. The world will turn blind. They are going to forget that a Iran was NOT following the rules of the IAEA. They are going to forget that imaduchejad calls for the destruction of Israel. They are going to forget that 60% of all the people 30 and younger, if I believe, protested against the election (which btw will make up most of their army come wartime). They are going to forget that a nuclear Iran is not only a threat to Israel, but to any country in its range, including Europe and Asia


The world will forget EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM with Iran and say, "look Israel attacked Iran first!" Then, a war could possibly break out because Iran will be pissed. Then the world's media will do what they did during Operation Cast Lead, which was, be TOTALLY negative against Israel.

This is why, I firmly believe that the attack on the nuclear factories of Iran, if happen, should not involve Israel AT ALL. This will show that even though Israel is the most likely to attack the factories and is the most likely to be hit by a missile strike, if attempted, that the world cares more about peace than nuclear attacks and that Israel can play it nice as long as not attacked on.

Nuclear bombs pose a great threat, not just to Israel, but to the entire world. Having countries like Iran and NK, who have radical leaders is NOT safe and needs to be dealt with by the WORLD and not by individual countries.

Israel is rightly concerned for its own safety. They should not care for what its enemies think of them, or the impossible standards it is held to.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
I believe that too, we shouldnt attack Iran unless they start the war, but, one nuke over Israel and it is gone. Israel has a missile defense system that works well now, but we never can be so sure with a nuke. one little slip, one little mistake. one circuit that works incorrectly, and the entire country could be gone. its not worth the risk at all. I am not sure if you know how small it really is. being there myself, its crazy. from the west bank, on a hill, you can see coast so easily, only being 12 miles. from the north tip to the south, its only a 6 hour drive.

its like standing in front of a gun that is loaded, with the person holding the gun saying that the bullets are blanks. yea, they probably are, but are you going to threaten your life over something you can never be sure about?

The Iranian government isn't retarded. They wouldn't send a nuclear missile at Israel.

Edit:

Oops, left out a contraction.

 

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
I believe that too, we shouldnt attack Iran unless they start the war, but, one nuke over Israel and it is gone. Israel has a missile defense system that works well now, but we never can be so sure with a nuke. one little slip, one little mistake. one circuit that works incorrectly, and the entire country could be gone. its not worth the risk at all. I am not sure if you know how small it really is. being there myself, its crazy. from the west bank, on a hill, you can see coast so easily, only being 12 miles. from the north tip to the south, its only a 6 hour drive.

its like standing in front of a gun that is loaded, with the person holding the gun saying that the bullets are blanks. yea, they probably are, but are you going to threaten your life over something you can never be sure about?

The Iranian government isn't retarded. They would send a nuclear missile at Israel.

You might be right.

A nuclear holocaust in response for a precision military strike meant to take out WMD's under the control of a unstable dictatorship that willingly breaks all of the UN's rules is precisely why Iran must not be allowed to acquire nukes in the first place.

 

[Lemon law]

To start out we don't know if Iran has any nuclear weapons ambition, and they have a right to develop nuclear energy for electrical power generation. And that decision to go nuclear weapons or not is still years into the future.

Second, Iran would be nuts to peg a nuke at Israel, when the Israeli nuclear arsenal is many times bigger.

Third, any pre-emtive Israeli strike against Iran would be a totally illegal act and almost certainly start a mid-east war that goes far past the borders of Iran.

Remember the UN that created Israel can uncreate it.

 

[piasabird]

I think Isreal would have already bombed Iran, but the department of state of the USA asked them not to while our troops are there in Iraq. It makes me laugh when someone says it would be a totally illegal act if Isreal or the USA Bombed Iran. The reason for this is it was Iran who supplied, paid for, and sponsored the Terrorists (Hezbolah) that occupy Lebanan and attacked Isreal with rockets and short range missles. Also Iranian Military personnel were with these terrorists that attacked Isreal. If the world was fair we would have had an all out attack with USA and Isreali forces against Iran at that time with more than enough justification under international Law. It would have just been a justified act of self defense.

Iran has also been training and supplying militants in both Iraq and Afghanistan. They do this because it makes it look like Iran is not an aggressor and the terrorists cause unrest and chaos in the region while Iran sits pretty and is not attacked. All I can say is that eventually the rest of the world will demand retribution for Iran's militant actions. Payback is coming, it is just a matter of when and how. I think it will be swift and it will be overwhelming. If the true Iranian people do not want to be killed in their sleep, they better wake up and get rid of these radical religious leaders that are pushing their country to the brink of war and destruction. This is what happens when religious fascists run your country. All dictators like Sadam and Noriega eventually get their come-uppance!

 

[OCGuy]

Looks like the Saudis are on board.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...ast/article6638568.ece

 

[StageLeft]

And that decision to go nuclear weapons or not is still years into the future.

I don't think that's the case, and it's not a position held at least by the Israeli government.

Remember the UN that created Israel can uncreate it.

The UN can't even deal with NK, it would have no such luck uncreating Israel. Like with a child, if you don't want it use a condom but once it's there you can't very easily unbirth it.

 

[AshPhoenix]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I think Isreal would have already bombed Iran, but the department of state of the USA asked them not to while our troops are there in Iraq. It makes me laugh when someone says it would be a totally illegal act if Isreal or the USA Bombed Iran. The reason for this is it was Iran who supplied, paid for, and sponsored the Terrorists (Hezbolah) that occupy Lebanan and attacked Isreal with rockets and short range missles. Also Iranian Military personnel were with these terrorists that attacked Isreal. If the world was fair we would have had an all out attack with USA and Isreali forces against Iran at that time with more than enough justification under international Law. It would have just been a justified act of self defense.

Iran has also been training and supplying militants in both Iraq and Afghanistan. They do this because it makes it look like Iran is not an aggressor and the terrorists cause unrest and chaos in the region while Iran sits pretty and is not attacked. All I can say is that eventually the rest of the world will demand retribution for Iran's militant actions. Payback is coming, it is just a matter of when and how. I think it will be swift and it will be overwhelming. If the true Iranian people do not want to be killed in their sleep, they better wake up and get rid of these radical religious leaders that are pushing their country to the brink of war and destruction. This is what happens when religious fascists run your country. All dictators like Sadam and Noriega eventually get their come-uppance!

Hezbollah is formed of Lebanese citizens, the only occupation in Lebanon is Israeli. Israel itself is formed of settlers that stole and are still stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians.

 

[Lemon law]

Skoorb, the position of the Israeli government is totally idiotic, as anyone with any knowledge of nuclear weapons well knows.

It serves the position of the Israeli government to run around playing chicken little and pretending the sky is falling, but when it goes well past the point of credibility, its time to call them liars.

As I said in a previous posts, Iran is no paper Tiger, and Israel better be prepared to kill all 80 million Iranians or forget it. Iran is reported to have large chemical weapons stockpiles and the means to deliver them. And if Israel bombs Iran and fails to kill all Iranians, its also very likely to be a decade or more before an oil tanker moves in the Persian Gulf. Sending every oil based economy without a large domestic supply of oil into an instant depression. As for any ground based invasions of Iran, we saw what Hezbollah did To Israeli armor when Hezbollah accidentally got a hold of a few of Iran's defensive weapons.

And the other Israeli worry is that any one of a number of Nuclear powers will reward such an Israeli strike on Iran by pegging two nukes at Israel and thereby solve all mid-east problems. Or failing that, Israelis likely to face a world wide economic embargo while
a greatly increased number of countries and private individuals will arm every terrorist on the planet to the teeth and let them solve the Israeli delusions of grandeur.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
I believe that too, we shouldnt attack Iran unless they start the war, but, one nuke over Israel and it is gone. Israel has a missile defense system that works well now, but we never can be so sure with a nuke. one little slip, one little mistake. one circuit that works incorrectly, and the entire country could be gone. its not worth the risk at all. I am not sure if you know how small it really is. being there myself, its crazy. from the west bank, on a hill, you can see coast so easily, only being 12 miles. from the north tip to the south, its only a 6 hour drive.

its like standing in front of a gun that is loaded, with the person holding the gun saying that the bullets are blanks. yea, they probably are, but are you going to threaten your life over something you can never be sure about?

The Iranian government isn't retarded. They would send a nuclear missile at Israel.

You might be right.

A nuclear holocaust in response for a precision military strike meant to take out WMD's under the control of a unstable dictatorship that willingly breaks all of the UN's rules is precisely why Iran must not be allowed to acquire nukes in the first place.

Should have said "wouldn't".

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To start out we don't know if Iran has any nuclear weapons ambition, and they have a right to develop nuclear energy for electrical power generation. And that decision to go nuclear weapons or not is still years into the future.-- I don`t advocate using nukes..but somebody needs to pinch you and wake you up to the reality of survival...

Second, Iran would be nuts to peg a nuke at Israel, when the Israeli nuclear arsenal is many times bigger. -- I would bet ya Israel`s nuclear arsenal is not that big....in fact it take just one to start a nuclear war...

Third, any pre-emtive Israeli strike against Iran would be a totally illegal act and almost certainly start a mid-east war that goes far past the borders of Iran. -- illegal how so?? Just like our war in Iraq....

Remember the UN that created Israel can uncreate it.-- the UN cannot do nothing to uncreate israel. They are powerless in that regard. The UN should be dismantled all together...now that can haapen....but israel being UNCREATED....rofl....pissing in pants I am laughing so hard....hahahahaaaa

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: AshPhoenix

Originally posted by: piasabird
I think Isreal would have already bombed Iran, but the department of state of the USA asked them not to while our troops are there in Iraq. It makes me laugh when someone says it would be a totally illegal act if Isreal or the USA Bombed Iran. The reason for this is it was Iran who supplied, paid for, and sponsored the Terrorists (Hezbolah) that occupy Lebanan and attacked Isreal with rockets and short range missles. Also Iranian Military personnel were with these terrorists that attacked Isreal. If the world was fair we would have had an all out attack with USA and Isreali forces against Iran at that time with more than enough justification under international Law. It would have just been a justified act of self defense.

Iran has also been training and supplying militants in both Iraq and Afghanistan. They do this because it makes it look like Iran is not an aggressor and the terrorists cause unrest and chaos in the region while Iran sits pretty and is not attacked. All I can say is that eventually the rest of the world will demand retribution for Iran's militant actions. Payback is coming, it is just a matter of when and how. I think it will be swift and it will be overwhelming. If the true Iranian people do not want to be killed in their sleep, they better wake up and get rid of these radical religious leaders that are pushing their country to the brink of war and destruction. This is what happens when religious fascists run your country. All dictators like Sadam and Noriega eventually get their come-uppance!

Hezbollah is formed of Lebanese citizens, the only occupation in Lebanon is Israeli. Israel itself is formed of settlers that stole and are still stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians. --- oh boohoo.....your simplistic answer go to the fact that you do not see or understand the whole picture!!

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: AshPhoenix

Originally posted by: piasabird
I think Isreal would have already bombed Iran, but the department of state of the USA asked them not to while our troops are there in Iraq. It makes me laugh when someone says it would be a totally illegal act if Isreal or the USA Bombed Iran. The reason for this is it was Iran who supplied, paid for, and sponsored the Terrorists (Hezbolah) that occupy Lebanan and attacked Isreal with rockets and short range missles. Also Iranian Military personnel were with these terrorists that attacked Isreal. If the world was fair we would have had an all out attack with USA and Isreali forces against Iran at that time with more than enough justification under international Law. It would have just been a justified act of self defense.

Iran has also been training and supplying militants in both Iraq and Afghanistan. They do this because it makes it look like Iran is not an aggressor and the terrorists cause unrest and chaos in the region while Iran sits pretty and is not attacked. All I can say is that eventually the rest of the world will demand retribution for Iran's militant actions. Payback is coming, it is just a matter of when and how. I think it will be swift and it will be overwhelming. If the true Iranian people do not want to be killed in their sleep, they better wake up and get rid of these radical religious leaders that are pushing their country to the brink of war and destruction. This is what happens when religious fascists run your country. All dictators like Sadam and Noriega eventually get their come-uppance!

Hezbollah is formed of Lebanese citizens, the only occupation in Lebanon is Israeli. Israel itself is formed of settlers that stole and are still stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians.

you are very much mistaken.


Hezbollah and Hamas are both funded by Iran. these are facts.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: AshPhoenix

Hezbollah is formed of Lebanese citizens, the only occupation in Lebanon is Israeli. Israel itself is formed of settlers that stole and are still stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians.

Another ostrich joins the group.

Does not know his history and also believes the media propoganda.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
I believe that too, we shouldnt attack Iran unless they start the war, but, one nuke over Israel and it is gone. Israel has a missile defense system that works well now, but we never can be so sure with a nuke. one little slip, one little mistake. one circuit that works incorrectly, and the entire country could be gone. its not worth the risk at all. I am not sure if you know how small it really is. being there myself, its crazy. from the west bank, on a hill, you can see coast so easily, only being 12 miles. from the north tip to the south, its only a 6 hour drive.

its like standing in front of a gun that is loaded, with the person holding the gun saying that the bullets are blanks. yea, they probably are, but are you going to threaten your life over something you can never be sure about?

The Iranian government isn't retarded. They would send a nuclear missile at Israel.

You might be right.

A nuclear holocaust in response for a precision military strike meant to take out WMD's under the control of a unstable dictatorship that willingly breaks all of the UN's rules is precisely why Iran must not be allowed to acquire nukes in the first place.

You never respond with equal force. If you are at war, you play to win.
If you are attacked, you open up the biggest can of whoop @ss you have. Israel knows that better than anyone.