- Mar 20, 2000
- 102,393
- 8,552
- 126
Yes they do, Core M and Iris sell because they offer better performance per watt in their respective segments partly due to their big GPUs (especially GT3), so someone, in a significant number cares about GPUs in APUs.no, they don't.
No because as explained many, many times before, people aren't buying Intel chips on a priority of "iGPU performance must be priority for everyone, everywhere because AtenRa says so". Just like people don't buy AMD chips on the back of single-threaded performance or FX chips on low power consumption, you seem remarkably incapable of grasping that different CPU's of different brands have different metrics for which different people have different purchasing priorities to yours... This the "mental hurdle" you are repeatedly struggling to get over - you're "demanding" - almost stamping your feet - that all of Intel's chips "must" be sold like an A8-7600. They aren't, and people aren't buying them as such. And almost everyone else understands that except you.So according to you, those Intel Broadwells will fail too because they dont give 1080p High framerate gameplay ???
Aside from the fact most sane people would wait until both chips have been released to make a more informed comparison (instead of spam-posting the same two images over & over, day after day), probably the usual significantly faster per-core performance / IPC / battery life, benchamrks, etc. Which like it or not is what a lot of people still buy CPU's on... Last time I checked Broadwell-K quad-core is down to 65w (down from 84w), so a 20% power consumption reduction is going to positively impact battery life. Any idiot can repost die shots, but personally I'm not going to judge either Carrizo, Broadwell or Skylake's performance until I actually see them tested and in action.So what makes those better than AMD Carrizo for Desktop/Mobile.
that all of Intel's chips "must" be sold like an A8-7600. They aren't, and people aren't buying them as such. And almost everyone else understands that except you.
If your vision is to bring in more money to AMD, it's completely back to front by endlessly trying to squeeze everyone into the "bottom rung" price bracket and least profitable lowest-margin chips of the same range that's experienced the most drastic price-cuts because they weren't selling very well!
probably the usual significantly faster per-core performance / IPC / battery life, benchamrks, etc. Which like it or not is what a lot of people still buy CPU's on... Last time I checked Broadwell-K quad-core is down to 65w (down from 84w), so a 20% power consumption reduction is going to positively impact battery life. Any idiot can repost die shots, but personally I'm not going to judge either Carrizo, Broadwell or Skylake's performance until I actually see them tested and in action.
Yes they do, Core M and Iris sell because they offer better performance per watt in their respective segments partly due to their big GPUs (especially GT3), so someone, in a significant number cares about GPUs in APUs.
amd's problem is that at nearly every power-level, its products are second in a two-horse race.
though i do get the 'good enough' aspect of cpu performance. heck, atom based processors are now in desktop type form factors because the performance is 'good enough.' amd's problem is that at nearly every power-level, its products are second in a two-horse race.
CPU performance is what defines the value bracket of a given processor, the GPU is just a bit of added value inside the bracket.
You mean they are behind in CPU perf/watt, not in iGPU perf/watt.
Lets say that is the case,
What Intel CPU has the CPU performance of the A8-7600 at $90 ??? none
Now add the iGPU added value on top of that perf/price and the A8-7600 should had been able to sell millions and millions of units.
Heh it didnt, the big question is why ?? I can tell you its not the lack of CPU perf or the big iGPU though.![]()
Because they are CPU's first, and not very good ones.
It's allegedly the "cost structure" because it is a relatively big die. Apparently Intel has to price match or under cut amd to get product wins.
Also, if Pentium CPU is adequate for internet and office so does the APUs. The CPU performance of the A8-7600 is more than enough for those jobs and you also get an added faster iGPU with it.
For example,
A8-7600 = $90
Intel Pentium G3420 (Dual Core) = $63
What dGPU will you get to have the same or higher performance than the A8-7600 at $90 ??? Ill save you from searching, NONE.
As many others have said - people buy Intel chips FOR strong CPU core performance (still a function of combined single & multi thread performance, not purely the latter) with iGPU as a bonus - they aren't buying them FOR iGPU to try and make up value for weak IPC, or because they crave "compute" on slow iGPU's (or for the ultra-niche of wanting to play heavy games but having an irrational fear of dGPU's that give the best perf/$ they simultaneously claim to seek but artificially exclude...)So why people buy overgrown iGPU Intel CPUs
There's quite a bit of profit difference in 102mm2 vs 245mm2 die sizes. And Bay Trail vs Kaveri is apples and oranges. Intel also sell lots of high-end chips, far more than FX-9590's at same prices, so their overall revenue isn't "weighted" towards the bottom end of the market. The way some people act however, is "AMD should bargain basement everything". If AMD had stronger cores and a quad AMD actually = a quad Intel core for core, clock for clock and not merely scraped parity with i3 on a good day, we wouldn't be having this conversation, the Kaveri's wouldn't have had their prices slashed and the A10-7850K would still be nearer $180. It really is the performance of the CPU cores that Kaveri prices were slashed for.10-15W TDP Intel CPUs are very profitable and yet they squeeze everyone into the bottom rung but nobody complains for those CPUs.
Not sure what you think you're seeing, but considering notebooks spend most time in idle state I think a 12hr battery life is quite an improvement on 8.75hrs given a +11% boost in PC Mark scores on same battery size. Standby (suspend) also reduced from 3.7w to 0.2w.Are you talking about that battery life ???
for an OEM box selling somewhere south of $400, that $27 is your profit. it doesn't matter that there's no discrete gpu that you as an OEM could pair with the pentium to get the A8-7600 performance, because you're not putting one in there.A8-7600 = $90
Intel Pentium G3420 (Dual Core) = $63
What dGPU will you get to have the same or higher performance than the A8-7600 at $90 ??? Ill save you from searching, NONE.
AMD APUs may be large dies but that doesnt mean that they cannot be price competitive.
Wut? Major OEM machines are nearly all SFF now.
People buying by the 100s or 1000s aren't posting reviews on newegg.
CPU performance between the A10-7700K and Core i3 Haswell(same price) is almost the same. I will just give the win to Core i3 for its higher single thread performance in order to please the crowd but people buying those CPUs will not understand the difference.
So what next ??
Yes. The CPU is what runs x86 software, not the GPU.
You and ABWX need to understand this. This is why AMD APU's have failed. Because they are CPU's first, and not very good ones.
Intel s mobile CPUs are not that good, they perform well thanks to draining only 100% more power than officaly specced, check the reviews above, particularlty the one of the "15W" Broadwell, a hint, it drain about 28W at the SoC level...
oh i didn't see this:
A8-7600 = $90
Intel Pentium G3420 (Dual Core) = $63
What dGPU will you get to have the same or higher performance than the A8-7600 at $90 ??? Ill save you from searching, NONE.
for an OEM box selling somewhere south of $400, that $27 is your profit. it doesn't matter that there's no discrete gpu that you as an OEM could pair with the pentium to get the A8-7600 performance, because you're not putting one in there.
And yet, they have better performance, and better battery life than Haswell. Such a "failure"...
snipped
Your socio-economic expertise astounds.OK. You coming from Greece I understand you have to save every penny you get. I tend to forget that for certain areas even in the western world electronics aren't really considered to be cheap.