Why have AMD APUs failed on the market?

[AtenRa]

SFF are a VERY small market right now, and specially on ITX is where FM2 fails big time, just go and check for prices and number of FM2 Itx mbs, why do you think AM1 was mainly targeted at ITX?

696 Slim/Small Form Factor PCs at Newegg

 

[Shivansps]

696 Slim/Small Form Factor PCs at Newegg

And you can guess from the number of reviews that they dont sell very well... Asrock Q1900-ITX has about the same number of reviews that all of them in the 1st page combined...

And if i list by most reviews the first page if filled by C2D and even pentiums D...

And remember that the thread is about why AMD APU are failing, going small where everyone ask what is going on with the FM2@ITX is a good example of why its failing.

Not sure what is the problem of FM2 on ITX, but something is going on.

 

[ShintaiDK]

696 Slim/Small Form Factor PCs at Newegg

Remember to remove all the open box and refurbs.

 

[AtenRa]

Remember to remove all the open box and refurbs.

Even removing all those the numbers are very large.

 

[ElFenix]

SFF are a VERY small market right now, and specially on ITX is where FM2 fails big time, just go and check for prices and number of FM2 Itx mbs, why do you think AM1 was mainly targeted at ITX?

Wut? Major OEM machines are nearly all SFF now.

And you can guess from the number of reviews that they dont sell very well...

People buying by the 100s or 1000s aren't posting reviews on newegg.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Says 506 refurb, 9 open box here.

 

[AtenRa]

Says 506 refurb, 9 open box here.

Thats close to 150 Slim/SFFs + 100 AIOs then, a very large number of Desktop PC market share.

 

[BSim500]

Hard to believe when most gamers grew up playing 24+ FPS games, but hey, its true, 18fps is not exactly good, but its multitudes better than 4fps.

So 18-24fps is the new PC gaming target because someone who owned a Commodore 64 in the 80's might get nostalgic? Great sales pitch... Often it's not APU vs dGPU that's the issue but the comical excuse making that surrounds the quality degeneration into mediocrity (1080/60 -> 720-900p/18-25), etc, and the oft-seen habit of trying to taking ownership of "budget gamers" in general (ie, "if 18fps is good enough for me, it's good enough for everyone, and I speak for every budget gamer when I say..."). That "fps barrel scraping" combined with the usual "False Dilemma" based fake comparisons between different architecture ($300 Haswell iGPU vs Kaveri) is what a lot of people poke fun at, not the actual concept of an APU that genuinely would be good enough (and not simply overhyped beyond its capabilities by fanboys running at cringe-worthy settings & stuttering frame-rates in an attempt to prove a point).

 

[AtenRa]

So 18-24fps is the new PC gaming target

1: 18fps was the minimum, average was 33fps
2: 18fps minimum could only happen just once in the entire benchmark, doesnt mean the entire benchmark is at 18fps.
3: Are you telling us that dGPU gamers never play with sub 30 minimums ??

 

[BSim500]

1: 18fps was the minimum, average was 33fps
2: 18fps minimum could only happen just once in the entire benchmark, doesnt mean the entire benchmark is at 18fps.
3: Are you telling us that dGPU gamers never play with sub 30 minimums ??

Try Far Cry 4 @ 900-1080p (and many 2014-2015 games beyond 2 year old BI which doesn't even strain a Pentium's 2-cores).

Also, if Pentium CPU is adequate for internet and office so does the APUs.

What dGPU will you get to have the same or higher performance than the A8-7600 at $90 ??? Ill save you from searching, NONE.

For an office box it would be totally irrelevant. How many fps do you get in Word? Do 60fps Youtube vids on one "run faster" than 60fps Youtube vids on the other? Can you force Tessellation on in Outlook? You seem to be persistently mis-reading the market if you think people want MOAR GPU on office PC's so they can run games at 20-30fps at work...

 

[AtenRa]

Try Far Cry 4 @ 900-1080p (and many 2014-2015 games beyond 2 year old BI which doesn't even strain a Pentium's 2-cores).

I can play DA:I at 720/900p and Ryse Son Of Rome with A8-7600

For an office box it would be totally irrelevant. How many fps do you get in Word? Do 60fps Youtube vids on one "run faster" than 60fps Youtube vids on the other? Can you force Tessellation on in Outlook? You seem to be persistently mis-reading the market if you think people want MOAR GPU on office PC's so they can run games at 20-30fps at work...

Then why Intel made those two ??? :whiste:

 

[monstercameron]

Try Far Cry 4 @ 900-1080p (and many 2014-2015 games beyond 2 year old BI which doesn't even strain a Pentium's 2-cores).


For an office box it would be totally irrelevant. How many fps do you get in Word? Do 60fps Youtube vids on one "run faster" than 60fps Youtube vids on the other? Can you force Tessellation on in Outlook? You seem to be persistently mis-reading the market if you think people want MOAR GPU on office PC's so they can run games at 20-30fps at work...

How is any of the drivel relevant? So the apu is more than adequate for office and Internet, has a competitive price and comparable power envelope yet you and others think it's a failure. Not to mention the annoying tirades about apu gaming, like anyone recommends apu for maxing out games

Try again with a more coherent argument.

 

[BSim500]

I can play DA:I at 720/900p and Ryse Son Of Rome with A8-7600

I haven't played at sub 1280x1024 resolutions since I moved from an old 15" CRT monitor to 19" 5:4 CRT monitor in the 1990's. Or 20-30fps since 2004. Don't see the point in regressing +11-15 years just to save $70 (720p upscaling is barely tolerable from 8ft away on a console. Up close on a large monitor 2ft away it can look ugly as hell as the distance doesn't hide it so well).

Then why Intel made those two again ??? :whiste:

Same silly p*ssing contest as AMD.

Not to mention the annoying tirades about apu gaming

So why do you think APU's haven't done so well - they're overpowered?

 

[monstercameron]

I haven't played at sub 1280x1024 resolutions since I moved from an old 15" CRT monitor to 19" 5:4 CRT monitor in the 1990's. Or 20-30fps since 2004. Don't see the point in regressing +11-15 years just to save $70 (720p upscaling is barely tolerable from 8ft away on a console. Up close on a large monitor 2ft away it can look ugly as hell as the distance doesn't hide it so well).


Same silly p*ssing contest as AMD.


So why do you think APU's haven't done so well - they're overpowered?

Well if you could stop posting nonsense for a while you would have read my thoughts on the issue.
Industry partnerships and pen customers, without them Amd won't be selling anything.

 

[ShintaiDK]

And they are not getting those with undesireable products.

 

[AtenRa]

And they are not getting those with undesireable products.

Like those two ??

 

[ShintaiDK]

Like those two ??

Aint they in about the same about of mobile devices as AMDs entire APU series? :awe:

 

[AtenRa]

Same silly p*ssing contest as AMD.

So according to you, those Intel Broadwells will fail too because they dont give 1080p High framerate gameplay ???

 

[coercitiv]

Like those two ??

I'm really curious as to how the new Iris 6100 will behave. Is there any info as to how big the edram will be?

 

[AtenRa]

Aint they in about the same about of mobile devices as AMDs entire APU series? :awe:

Those two will also be sold in Desktop, but you already knew that.

So what makes those better than AMD Carrizo for Desktop/Mobile.
Why those Intel CPUs with overgrown iGPUs will be sold by the millions and AMDs dont ??

 

[ShintaiDK]

Those two will also be sold in Desktop, but you already knew that.

So what makes those better than AMD Carrizo for Desktop/Mobile.
Why those Intel CPUs with overgrown iGPUs will be sold by the millions and AMDs dont ??

You keep refusing the realities. AMDs products isnt as good as you try to make them. The sales numbers shows it.

 

[Fjodor2001]

N/A

 

[AtenRa]

You keep refusing the realities. AMDs products isnt as good as you try to make them. The sales numbers shows it.

Dont try to get away, answer the question.

Why those Intel CPUs with overgrown iGPUs will be sold by the millions and AMDs dont ??

 

[ShintaiDK]

Dont try to get away, answer the question.

Why those Intel CPUs with overgrown iGPUs will be sold by the millions and AMDs dont ??

Better performance/watt, better CPU performance, better platform.

Isnt it clear to you yet that nobody in any significant number cares about all your GPU advocation for the APUs?

 

[coercitiv]

Better performance/watt, better CPU performance, better platform.

Isnt it clear to you yet that nobody in any significant number cares about all your GPU advocation for the APUs?

Your two statements contradict each other.