Why hasn't the GOP repealed Obamacare and where is their alternative Health plan?

[pcgeek11]

Of course you didn't, you just linked to a long list of Obama promises he failed to accomplish. /eye roll

I see you still missed the point.

All Presidents ( politicians ) make promises they cannot keep for a multitude of reasons. Some are their own fault some are other reasons such as congress blocking etc. Yes the Reps did it to Obama and the Dems are doing it to Trump... To start raving about the lack of accomplishment after only 30 some odd days is not justified in the least.

We both know it, you just enjoy pounding on someone. It would be better if it bothered me wouldn't it? Sorry it doesn't.

 

[pcgeek11]

So other Politicians making claims they can't keep makes it right for Trump to do so too?

I never said or implied that. You people are dense.

 

[pcgeek11]

While I don't agree with his policies he is doing what he said. However he's just done the easy stuff. The challenge is to do the hard stuff like:
Build a wall that Mexico will pay for and it will be a beautiful nearly impenetrable wall
Renegotiate NAFTA that brings back good jobs
A tax cut for everyone
Previously mentioned healthcare
Infrastructure bill that's massive and makes our roads, bridges, air ports and I think rail service new and beautiful
These are the things I'm going to hold him to.

Did you expect all that in the first month or two?

 

[ivwshane]

I see you still missed the point.

All Presidents ( politicians ) make promises they cannot keep for a multitude of reasons. Some are their own fault some are other reasons such as congress blocking etc. Yes the Reps did it to Obama and the Dems are doing it to Trump... To start raving about the lack of accomplishment after only 30 some odd days is not justified in the least.

We both know it, you just enjoy pounding on someone. It would be better if it bothered me wouldn't it? Sorry it doesn't.

And you STILL aren't getting the point! People are holding trump to his promises just like they do with all politicians, including Obama. It just so happens that trump made ridiculous promises and his supporters believed him.

And clearly it does bother you because you wouldn't be wasting your time telling everyone its too early to hold trump accountable.

 

[pcgeek11]

And you STILL aren't getting the point! People are holding trump to his promises just like they do with all politicians, including Obama. It just so happens that trump made ridiculous promises and his supporters believed him.

And clearly it does bother you because you wouldn't be wasting your time telling everyone its too early to hold trump accountable.

You obviously have no clue.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

There's no way republicans would go along with something like that. Goes agianst their free market religion.

Of course. I didn't say that he would attempt to do it or actually be able to accomplish it, just that if he were able to do it... I think he would have to sell it to the Republicans as being superior to our current pseudo market system in terms of economic efficiency and coverage. I doubt our politicians on either side of the aisle would support socialized medicine because they receive campaign contributions from the arguably parasitcal wealthy interests that profit from our current system.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Understand, there's a limit to even what folks in decent income brackets can pay. My insurance went from $495 with a $1K deductible to $1450 with a $13K deductible since ACA was passed. That shit's gotta stop. Those kinds of increases cannot continue to go on. I get that you want more and more redistribution of wealth but there's only so much wealth you can redistribute

Have you investigated other nations' health care systems? Other nations have figured out ways to provide 100% coverage while having zero medical bankrupticies and a business climate not burdened by health care concerns while spending much less as a percentage of GDP and in terms of absolute dollars per capita. The problem that you're describing simply doesn't happen in other first world nations.

Obamacare is not working. It's failing.

Obamacare itself is not a health care system. It's just a mandate for people to buy insurance along with some regulations on the insurance companies. Is it possible that the underlying health care system itself - a system of private hospitals, private doctors, private insurance companies, private drug companies, and restrictions on drug importation (that competition thing), etc., is what's really failing? It's not like the system was doing well before Obama came along and implemented the Republicans' individual mandate plan.

 

[trenchfoot]

Why hasn't the GOP repealed Obamacare and where is their alternative Health plan?

They can't repeal it without committing political suicide and as for their alternative's whereabouts, It's stuck between Trump's ass cheeks as an emerging fart bubble and The Repub owned Congress' nose that's already buried pretty deep between those ample blubbery dimpled cellulite packed twin rear bumpers of his.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

thats what we wanted 8 years ago but the gop blocked it and we ended up with romny plan

What makes you think that the Democrats are advocates of a single payer plan?

If they are, they sure aren't publicizing it much. I don't remember Hillary campaigning on single payer or socialized medicine. Also the Democrat electorate voted for Hillary over Bernie Sanders who did advocate that. I suspect that the Democrats don't want to risk losing their campaign donations from insurance and pharmaceutical companies.

Single payer and socialized medicine are not even part of the public debate right now. The debate is "Keep Obamacare or Repeal and Replace with a Republican plan". The notion that the structure of our health care system itself is the problem isn't even on the public's radar. Our politicians and intellectuals have done a truly amazing job of keeping other health care systems out of the public consciousness. Of course, when you have a nation full of brain dead morons, that's probably not real hard to do.

 

[agent00f]

Why hasn't the GOP repealed Obamacare and where is their alternative Health plan?

They can't repeal it without committing political suicide and as for their alternative's whereabouts, It's stuck between Trump's ass cheeks as an emerging fart bubble and The Repub owned Congress' nose that's already buried pretty deep between those ample blubbery dimpled cellulite packed twin rear bumpers of his.

Everybody knew how this is going play, some are just less honest about it and it's no great mystery whom.

 

[agent00f]

I'm open to single payer. I just don't want the burden of healthcare on the employer. Figure out how much single payer will cost and deduct it from everyone's paycheck as an add-on to Medicare and I think you're onto something.

Why are you arguing about healthcare when you don't have a clue what the words even mean? Do everyone a favor and google what the single in single payer implies.

 

[ivwshane]

What makes you think that the Democrats are advocates of a single payer plan?

If they are, they sure aren't publicizing it much. I don't remember Hillary campaigning on single payer or socialized medicine. Also the Democrat electorate voted for Hillary over Bernie Sanders who did advocate that. I suspect that the Democrats don't want to risk losing their campaign donations from insurance and pharmaceutical companies.

Single payer and socialized medicine are not even part of the public debate right now. The debate is "Keep Obamacare or Repeal and Replace with a Republican plan". The notion that the structure of our health care system itself is the problem isn't even on the public's radar. Our politicians and intellectuals have done a truly amazing job of keeping other health care systems out of the public consciousness. Of course, when you have a nation full of brain dead morons, that's probably not real hard to do.

Brilliant logic! Because the dems aren't talking about a system of health care that has literally zero chance of passing let alone be properly debated in Congress, means they aren't interested in it.

That of course ignores the past where Democrats championed single payer in the past.

But hey, you apparently like to be promised fantasies by your politicians.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Everybody knew how this is going play, some are just less honest about it and it's no great mystery whom.

"OH MY GAWD, WE CAN'T REPEAL, DEMS SCREWED US AGAIN, DEMS ARE EVIL LIBRULS!!"

The Con's have painted themselves into a corner on this one. They have to come up with something, and it's gotta be quick. I will say this, it seems the Con's voter base is trying to hold them accountable for some campaign promises, this one specifically.

Single payer, FTW. Time to join the rest of the civilized world. After all, we want america to be great again. How does letting citizens die in the street accomplish that?

 

[agent00f]

"OH MY GAWD, WE CAN'T REPEAL, DEMS SCREWED US AGAIN, DEMS ARE EVIL LIBRULS!!"

The Con's have painted themselves into a corner on this one. They have to come up with something, and it's gotta be quick. I will say this, it seems the Con's voter base is trying to hold them accountable for some campaign promises, this one specifically.

Single payer, FTW. Time to join the rest of the civilized world. After all, we want america to be great again. How does letting citizens die in the street accomplish that?

They may have painted themselves into a corner with respect to any "solutions", but if we've learned anything over the years it's that conservatives are the last people on earth to hold their own responsible.

As for whether we'll ever make single payer ie price controls a thing, I suspect it will have to be over the underinsured dead body of american conservatism. This is basically religion for them.

 

[zinfamous]

Where is the GOP healthcare plan?

--right next to those WMDs

Why haven't they repealed the ACA?

--because it's too hard! Waaaaa!

 

[Sea Ray]

thats what we wanted 8 years ago but the gop blocked it and we ended up with romny plan

The Republicans were in no position to block anything 8 yrs ago. Obamacare got exactly no GOP votes and it went through anyway. That goes to show the Republicans could not block legislaion

 

[Sea Ray]

Have you investigated other nations' health care systems? Other nations have figured out ways to provide 100% coverage while having zero medical bankrupticies and a business climate not burdened by health care concerns while spending much less as a percentage of GDP and in terms of absolute dollars per capita. The problem that you're describing simply doesn't happen in other first world nations.



Obamacare itself is not a health care system. It's just a mandate for people to buy insurance along with some regulations on the insurance companies. Is it possible that the underlying health care system itself - a system of private hospitals, private doctors, private insurance companies, private drug companies, and restrictions on drug importation (that competition thing), etc., is what's really failing? It's not like the system was doing well before Obama came along and implemented the Republicans' individual mandate plan.

I have. Problem is our healthcare is so expensive it's tough. I'm not convinced our legislators can put together a viable plan. Medicare for all is far from 100% coverage. Medicare has numerous co-pays and deductibles. Australia's Medicare plan provides insurance for everyone and it's paid for with a payroll tax that's less than our Medicare tax which only covers those folks 65 and over

 

[Sea Ray]

Why are you arguing about healthcare when you don't have a clue what the words even mean? Do everyone a favor and google what the single in single payer implies.

If you want to have a discussion, come up with something better than Google it. That shows you have no point to make

 

[Sea Ray]

"OH MY GAWD, WE CAN'T REPEAL, DEMS SCREWED US AGAIN, DEMS ARE EVIL LIBRULS!!"

The Con's have painted themselves into a corner on this one. They have to come up with something, and it's gotta be quick. I will say this, it seems the Con's voter base is trying to hold them accountable for some campaign promises, this one specifically.

Single payer, FTW. Time to join the rest of the civilized world. After all, we want america to be great again. How does letting citizens die in the street accomplish that?

The reason Obamacare didn't even so much as have the public option was due to Dems, not Republicans. Obama couldn't get all the Dems on board

 

[ch33zw1z]

The reason Obamacare didn't even so much as have the public option was due to Dems, not Republicans. Obama couldn't get all the Dems on board

So now the Con's can prove how superior they are.

 

[fskimospy]

The reason Obamacare didn't even so much as have the public option was due to Dems, not Republicans. Obama couldn't get all the Dems on board

So you're saying that the lack of a public option is not the fault of the hundreds of Republicans who voted against it but the handful of Democrats who did? How does that make sense?

 

[Sea Ray]

So you're saying that the lack of a public option is not the fault of the hundreds of Republicans who voted against it but the handful of Democrats who did? How does that make sense?

Absolutely. Trump's Labor nominee Andrew Puzder was rejected because Republicans didn't vote for him. Are you saying that he had to withdraw because of a lack of Dem support? Same thing with Obamacare. You can't blame Republicans for not embracing an idea that was left of many Democrats

 

[Sea Ray]

So now the Con's can prove how superior they are.

Anything's better than Obamacare. I'm willing to take my chances with whatever Congress somes up with. Bear in mind this won't be a Republican plan. It will be a compromise. It'll have stuff in it that Republicans don't like.

 

[fskimospy]

Absolutely. Trump's Labor nominee Andrew Puzder was rejected because Republicans didn't vote for him. Are you saying that he had to withdraw because of a lack of Dem support? Same thing with Obamacare. You can't blame Republicans for not embracing an idea that was left of many Democrats

Yes of course he had to withdraw because of a lack of democratic support. Had they supported him he would have been confirmed. You can ALSO blame (credit, really as he was awful) Republicans, but I would blame them far less than Democrats for his defeat, as far more voted for him.

I would 100% blame Republicans for a lack of a public option along with whatever democrats voted against it. The idea that the minority party bears no responsibility for their actions is part of what got us to this sorry place. It's important we all hold Republicans to account for their shameful behavior under Obama.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Anything's better than Obamacare. I'm willing to take my chances with whatever Congress somes up with. Bear in mind this won't be a Republican plan. It will be a compromise. It'll have stuff in it that Republicans don't like.

You trust congress an awful lot. I would imagine that's due to what you feel are high premiums. Just for the record, people have had premiums like that before ACA, and not through the ACA.

Con's own it, no matter how much you don't want to believe it.

We agree on a couple things:

1. Healthcare in our country is very expensive.
2. Medicare in it's current form wouldn't support a single payer system.

Medicare for all(single payer) would not look like medicare does now.