Why hasn't the GOP repealed Obamacare and where is their alternative Health plan?

[Meghan54]

I think we all believe that some rights involve collective action. If we have the right to trial, to govt & legal representation, to emergency services & so forth we can include the right to medical care as well. We pay cops, judges, firemen, public defenders & so forth so we can obviously pay medical professionals if we, America, decide to do so.

Of course we could, which is why every other western democracy has already moved to single payer/universal coverage. Seems those countries value a healthy population over profits. Because that's about the only reason to refuse to move towards univ. coverage....too worried about ins. co's and their profits.

 

[Sea Ray]

I think we all believe that some rights involve collective action. If we have the right to trial, to govt & legal representation, to emergency services & so forth we can include the right to medical care as well. We pay cops, judges, firemen, public defenders & so forth so we can obviously pay medical professionals if we, America, decide to do so.

If you want to put together some sort of single payer system, I'm open to hearing about it. Obamacare was the worst all of worlds. It did not provide universal coverage to everyone, it was not affordable and it increased the bureaucracy and red tape

As for single payer, it should be done either through a consumption tax (national sales tax) or a payroll tax. Plans like Bernie Sanders' put way too much burden on the employer. How is it the employer's job to pay the healthcare bills of all Americans?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I pay $50/mo. You've been pulling numbers out of your ass the whole thread.

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Man you are a real horse's ass. The hell I am. I write the checks every month.

Here are some sample premiums for Medicare supplemental plans:

https://www.medicare.gov/find-a-pla...e-policies.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

Looks like a 65 yr old pays about $170/mo. My parents in their 80s pay over $300. I don't give a shit what you pay. These examples are a few hundred a month.

Its time for both of you to man up and post some bills. Obviously cover the names/addresses with a post it. Write hello AT to prove its a real image.

 

[Sea Ray]

Of course we could, which is why every other western democracy has already moved to single payer/universal coverage. Seems those countries value a healthy population over profits. Because that's about the only reason to refuse to move towards univ. coverage....too worried about ins. co's and their profits.

There are a lot of other reasons...Americans are used to choices. Ever talked to someone from Great Britain? If you need say a knee surgery this is how it's handled: You get a letter in the mail saying your surgery is scheduled with Dr. So and So at 1pm 5 mos from now. You get no choice as to doctor, hospital, time or place. It's different than what we're used to. It'd be a huge undertaking for our gov't. I'm skeptical that they're up to the task.

 

[Sea Ray]

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Its time for both of you to man up and post some bills. Obviously cover the names/addresses with a post it. Write hello AT to prove its a real image.

Post some bills? Are you really doubting that folks are paying $1400/mo?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Post some bills? Are you really doubting that folks are paying $1400/mo?

No but I don't think many people pay $1400 and I also don't think many pay $50 either.
I'm also sick of the bickering

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm more wondering why you pay $1400? Just opt out if it sucks that hard. Self employed individuals have been dealing with this just fine for decades.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There are a lot of other reasons...Americans are used to choices. Ever talked to someone from Great Britain? If you need say a knee surgery this is how it's handled: You get a letter in the mail saying your surgery is scheduled with Dr. So and So at 1pm 5 mos from now. You get no choice as to doctor, hospital, time or place. It's different than what we're used to. It'd be a huge undertaking for our gov't. I'm skeptical that they're up to the task.

The two Canadian dual Citizenship people I've worked with both said regular check ups or minor surgery they'd do here with their company insurance. Anything big they'd go back to Canada for.

 

[Sea Ray]

I'm more wondering why you pay $1400? Just opt out if it sucks that hard. Self employed individuals have been dealing with this just fine for decades.

You don't seem to get it. I have no choice. This is the only option I have for health insurance. I'm obligated to have it and I really can't risk going without it anyway. I'm in an area where there's only one choice

 

[Meghan54]

There are a lot of other reasons...Americans are used to choices. Ever talked to someone from Great Britain? If you need say a knee surgery this is how it's handled: You get a letter in the mail saying your surgery is scheduled with Dr. So and So at 1pm 5 mos from now. You get no choice as to doctor, hospital, time or place. It's different than what we're used to. It'd be a huge undertaking for our gov't. I'm skeptical that they're up to the task.

That sort of system seems to work rather well for the military. And outside of your GP, your choice of surgeon/cardiologist/internist/whomever is very much dictated already for you by who's in your insurance network and typically who your GP recommends. It certainly isn't by quality of the MD...since the AMA is resolutely against any sort of public information being disclosed regarding a doctor's treatment history....numbers of malpractice claims, numbers of untoward complications due to doctor incompetence, etc., etc.

We don't have much in the way of choice these days in choosing hospitals and MDs. Not in network, not covered is the current mantra.

 

[Sea Ray]

No but I don't think many people pay $1400 and I also don't think many pay $50 either.
I'm also sick of the bickering

My posting proof of my payment will stop the bickering? Miss Cleo you're not

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm not sure why people want America to stop taking care of it's citizens when it comes to healthcare. Like you said Jhhnn, there's already numerous departments in place to do just that.

Greed, particularly greed at the top.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Oh, I get it. I'm in MA. We've had required healthcare (or pay a fine) since Romney '04. Are you saying there's no fine, and you will be automatically enrolled and your payment taken?

You don't seem to get it. I have no choice. This is the only option I have for health insurance. I'm obligated to have it and I really can't risk going without it anyway. I'm in an area where there's only one choice

 

[Fanatical Meat]

My posting proof of my payment will stop the bickering? Miss Cleo you're not

It would prove your point

 

[Sea Ray]

That sort of system seems to work rather well for the military. And outside of your GP, your choice of surgeon/cardiologist/internist/whomever is very much dictated already for you by who's in your insurance network and typically who your GP recommends. It certainly isn't by quality of the MD...since the AMA is resolutely against any sort of public information being disclosed regarding a doctor's treatment history....numbers of malpractice claims, numbers of untoward complications due to doctor incompetence, etc., etc.

We don't have much in the way of choice these days in choosing hospitals and MDs. Not in network, not covered is the current mantra.

You're absolutely right that our choices are limited right now and it's gotten much worse under Obamacare. The Republican plan would address those issues

 

[ch33zw1z]

LOL, what republican plan? did they just release one?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Oh, I get it. I'm in MA. We've had required healthcare (or pay a fine) since Romney '04. Are you saying there's no fine, and you will be automatically enrolled and your payment taken?

I think he has a family

 

[Sea Ray]

Oh, I get it. I'm in MA. We've had required healthcare (or pay a fine) since Romney '04. Are you saying there's no fine, and you will be automatically enrolled and your payment taken?

I'm saying that there is a fine if I go without.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think he has a family

join the club.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm saying that there is a fine if I go without.

is the fine 1400 per month?

 

[Sea Ray]

LOL, what republican plan? did they just release one?

There's several out there. Here's one:

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/316084-rand-paul-unveils-obamacare-replacement

 

[theeedude]

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/320814-boehner-obamacare-repeal-and-replace-not-going-to-happen

Former Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said Thursday that a full repeal and replacement of ObamaCare is “not going to happen.”
Instead, Boehner said at a healthcare conference in Florida that Republicans will end up making smaller changes to the law.
“[Congressional Republicans are] going to fix Obamacare — I shouldn’t call it repeal-and-replace, because it’s not going to happen,” Boehner said, according to Politico.
The comments are striking, coming from someone who led Republican opposition to ObamaCare for years.
“Most of the framework of the Affordable Care Act … that’s going to be there,” Boehner reportedly said at the conference, adding that “Republicans never ever agree on healthcare.”

 

[Sea Ray]

is the fine 1400 per month?

I doubt that it is $1400/mo but since I've never considered going w/o health insurance I don't care what the fine is

 

[ch33zw1z]

There's several out there. Here's one:

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/316084-rand-paul-unveils-obamacare-replacement

just idea's they're throwing out to measure the public's response. they don't really have one, and after all they're shit talking....you'd think they'd take this a bit more seriously.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There's several out there. Here's one:

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/316084-rand-paul-unveils-obamacare-replacement

Rands plan relied upon the fallacy that buying insurance across state lines will greatly lower cost. I agree it will lower them but not greatly. Most insurers and states don't want to navigate this minefield.
Rands plan also is cheaper for healthy people because it allows big increases in deductibles and copayments.
I'll give Rand credit its a plan but this is something he banged out in a weekend with some interns its definitely not a well thought out masterpiece that he's been working on for 6 years.