Why hasn't the GOP repealed Obamacare and where is their alternative Health plan?

[ivwshane]

Lieberman.

Joe fucking Lieberman.

Wonder where he is now? Sorta lost track of him after that stint as McCain's possible VP....


Oh, there he is! Introducing DeVos at her confirmation. He's a lawyer for Trump now? Hmm. Fitting.

Yeah, seriously, fuck that guy. He is the reason we don't have single payer health care.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yet you then complained about costs and how nurses are ripping you off for shots and how $300/mo ins is horrible for an 80yo.

O_0

Even if you are not asking for freebies, none of what the GOP is offering will provide what you are wanting.

Ins for young/heathly ppl may get cheaper, but only by being able to cut the sick out of the pool or at least shift more costs back to them.
That means grannies insurance is going way up.

No magic wand of "insurance competition" is going to make HC cheap for everyone. We're just taking about changing the winners and losers.

This is the real target of Repub efforts-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/obamacare-investment-income-tax_n_2236687.html

They're just running a shell game while they figure out how to get rid of it.

 

[Bitek]

This is the real target of Repub efforts-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/obamacare-investment-income-tax_n_2236687.html

They're just running a shell game while they figure out how to get rid of it.

Bingo.

Rewrite the insurance rules to allow ins companies to charge old and sick people more, bring back terrible catastrophic plans that cover nothing, then point to the lower ins costs for young people as evidence of success, meanwhile distracting from the looting going on in the background.

Get out before it collapses, then blame Obama.

 

[agent00f]

Are all this guy's posts this worthless or is he just having a bad week?

More dumbshit blustering won't help you understand what the words mean.

 

[Jaskalas]

Indeed. I used to have the "Kindly die in a gutter without a fuss in event of preexisting condition" option. Obamacare stole that from me.

That'll be everyone's option as the system bankrupts itself on those preexisting conditions.
There's a lot of painful healthcare "choices" ahead for the United States.

 

[pcgeek11]

You're repetitive and do not seem to know how to multi quote to begin with.

Didn't know that was a requirement.

The board errors out when I try to multi-quote. So I don't worry about it.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Brilliant logic! Because the dems aren't talking about a system of health care that has literally zero chance of passing let alone be properly debated in Congress, means they aren't interested in it.

That of course ignores the past where Democrats championed single payer in the past.

If the Democrats believe that socialized medicine is a better solution than our current system, then they should be proudly and openly backing it and interjecting it into the public debate. If they can make a good argument in favor of it the public just might support it. But that requires having leadership ability and some backbone.

I would 100% blame Republicans for a lack of a public option along with whatever democrats voted against it. The idea that the minority party bears no responsibility for their actions is part of what got us to this sorry place. It's important we all hold Republicans to account for their shameful behavior under Obama.

Blame both parties.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I have. Problem is our healthcare is so expensive it's tough.

That's the problem. Our health care system is so expensive because it's extremely inefficient, employing hundreds of thousands of people who push insurance papers around without providing any actual health care. We have to almost completely restructure our health care system from the ground up.

 

[disappoint]

Because they don't know WTF they are doing. They're just figuring things out as they go along. They don't need to know WTF they are doing because the Dems put up a weak ass candidate.

Why hasn't Intel developed processors that are much faster than a Sandy Bridge 2500k from years ago? Because they didn't need to.

I blame the Dems more than the Rs. With great ability comes great responsibility and the Dems were irresponsible last election. They should have done better but they seem to have enclosed themselves in a sycophant bubble and it's unhealthy.

Of course they can't stand an ounce of criticism because they are emotional basketcase immature children so they shrug off any constructive criticism as "Those stupid Rs ranting again". When will they ever learn?

 

[ivwshane]

Because they don't know WTF they are doing. They're just figuring things out as they go along. They don't need to know WTF they are doing because the Dems put up a weak ass candidate.

Why hasn't Intel developed processors that are much faster than a Sandy Bridge 2500k from years ago? Because they didn't need to.

I blame the Dems more than the Rs. With great ability comes great responsibility and the Dems were irresponsible last election. They should have done better but they seem to have enclosed themselves in a sycophant bubble and it's unhealthy.

Of course they can't stand an ounce of criticism because they are emotional basketcase immature children so they shrug off any constructive criticism as "Those stupid Rs ranting again". When will they ever learn?

Bubble, get out of it.

 

[MongGrel]

Didn't know that was a requirement.

The board errors out when I try to multi-quote. So I don't worry about it.

Of course it is not a requirement.

 

[zinfamous]

Because they don't know WTF they are doing. They're just figuring things out as they go along. They don't need to know WTF they are doing because the Dems put up a weak ass candidate.

Why hasn't Intel developed processors that are much faster than a Sandy Bridge 2500k from years ago? Because they didn't need to.

I blame the Dems more than the Rs. With great ability comes great responsibility and the Dems were irresponsible last election. They should have done better but they seem to have enclosed themselves in a sycophant bubble and it's unhealthy.

Of course they can't stand an ounce of criticism because they are emotional basketcase immature children so they shrug off any constructive criticism as "Those stupid Rs ranting again". When will they ever learn?

Yes, it's the Dem's fault that Republicans both fellated and garroted themselves in electing Donald Trump.

That makes perfect sense.

Is this what we have to deal with over the next ~4 months-4 years? R's constantly blaming their poor fucking decisions, unbridled incompetence, and utter refusal to lead on democrats putting up someone else that they would likewise refuse to vote for?

Stop being a tool.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Of course, if anything we know by now, it's that the R's will never take responsibility for their own actions. The short term memory from the Con's is prevalent.

 

[K1052]

House repeal/replace plan got leaked:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/house-republicans-obamacare-repeal-package-235343

High risk pools, bigger premium increases for the elderly, elimination of income based subsidy, rollback of Medicaid expansion, block granting of Medicaid which will greatly reduce Fed payouts, hobbled pre-existing condition insurance, and lapsed enrollment penalties. They also want to use the universally unpopular Cadillac tax to pay for it at least temporarily.

Should be quite popular.

 

[Sea Ray]

House repeal/replace plan got leaked:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/house-republicans-obamacare-repeal-package-235343

High risk pools, bigger premium increases for the elderly, elimination of income based subsidy, rollback of Medicaid expansion, block granting of Medicaid which will greatly reduce Fed payouts, hobbled pre-existing condition insurance, and lapsed enrollment penalties. They also want to use the universally unpopular Cadillac tax to pay for it at least temporarily.

Should be quite popular.

I would think Dems would love that plan. I doubt it'll get conservative support from the Rand Paul wing of the party. In other words: I think it's dead on arrival. It won't fly looking like that. In the meantime, us conservatives will have to hope HHS Secretary Dr Price will cut the many regulations Obamacare puts on plans. I think he can do that w/o involving Congress.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Bingo.

Rewrite the insurance rules to allow ins companies to charge old and sick people more, bring back terrible catastrophic plans that cover nothing, then point to the lower ins costs for young people as evidence of success, meanwhile distracting from the looting going on in the background.

Get out before it collapses, then blame Obama.

This is what I'm expecting, gut the safeties on the plan to benefit the constituents that matter, then blame the ACA as a whole on Obama when it falls the F apart. Then of course present the 'new and improved' version which is either a) the way it used to be, or b) even more socialist than before (full on single payer), keeping the irony engine going.

 

[First]

House repeal/replace plan got leaked:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/house-republicans-obamacare-repeal-package-235343

High risk pools, bigger premium increases for the elderly, elimination of income based subsidy, rollback of Medicaid expansion, block granting of Medicaid which will greatly reduce Fed payouts, hobbled pre-existing condition insurance, and lapsed enrollment penalties. They also want to use the universally unpopular Cadillac tax to pay for it at least temporarily.

Should be quite popular.

Yup, and now it's becoming even more crystal clear for those who weren't paying attention; Repubs got absolutely nothing. Is there any way that doesn't lead to millions of people kicked off the insurance rolls and lead to far worse health outcomes? Yeah, the answer is, well, that's the plan. Pretty sad dereliction of duty.

I would think Dems would love that plan.

Huh? I think you meant to say "Literally all Dems, most independents, and a big portion of Republican voters" will hate that plan.

 

[K1052]

I would think Dems would love that plan. I doubt it'll get conservative support from the Rand Paul wing of the party. In other words: I think it's dead on arrival. It won't fly looking like that. In the meantime, us conservatives will have to hope HHS Secretary Dr Price will cut the many regulations Obamacare puts on plans. I think he can do that w/o involving Congress.

Price and Trump can do just enough to collapse the individual market. Good luck on avoiding blame when the party controls Congress and the Presidency.

 

[K1052]

Yup, and now it's becoming even more crystal clear for those who weren't paying attention; Repubs got absolutely nothing. Has is there any way that doesn't lead to millions of people kicked off the insurance rolls and lead to far worse health outcomes? Yeah, the answer is, well, that's the plan. Pretty sad dereliction of duty.

It's not like making changes to the ACA wasn't already fraught with political risk that Ryan has to monkey with Medicaid block grants which will amount to a massive cut in benefits. While something resembling this plan may escape the House it's basically a radioactive turd in the Senate that nobody will want to touch.

 

[Sea Ray]

Huh? I think you meant to say "Literally all Dems, most independents, and a big portion of Republican voters" will hate that plan.

There's quite a bit of Dem in that plan. It's Obamacare Lite as Rand Paul likes to say.

I think the Republicans are leaking this now as a test flight. When they see that it pisses off too many folks, particularly their base, they'll go back and make adjustments. Strategically speaking they have to start with their base. If it doesn't please the base it's got no chance. They ought to start with a far right plan like Rand Paul's and negotiate towards the center

 

[First]

There's quite a bit of Dem in that plan. It's Obamacare Lite as Rand Paul likes to say.

I think the Republicans are leaking this now as a test flight. When they see that it pisses off too many folks, particularly their base, they'll go back and make adjustments. Strategically speaking they have to start with their base. If it doesn't please the base it's got no chance. They ought to start with a far right plan like Rand Paul's and negotiate towards the center

HSA? Medicaid block grants? High risk pools? Purchasing across state lines? Can you really tell me Dems are clamoring for including these features as part of a broad overhaul and/replacement of Obamacare?

In reality, Dems just aren't looking to do any of that, because that shit causes massive losses in coverage and care.

 

[ivwshane]

HSA? Medicaid block grants? High risk pools? Can you really tell me Dems are clamoring for including as part of a broad overhaul and/replacement of Obamacare?

The answer is this; they aren't.

Yeah but then he'd actually have to hold Republicans responsible. He's not capable of doing that.

 

[Sea Ray]

HSA? Medicaid block grants? High risk pools? Purchasing across state lines? Can you really tell me Dems are clamoring for including these features as part of a broad overhaul and/replacement of Obamacare?

In reality, Dems just aren't looking to do any of that, because that shit causes massive losses in coverage and care.

I didn't see any mention of HSA in that article. Did I miss it?

 

[Grooveriding]

What would it take for the US to catch up to almost all of the rest of the developed world and provide universal care ? A Democratic President, House and Senate ? Or would that still be able to be removed once Republicans gain power ? America should be embarrassed about the state of health care in the country considering the GDP and tax revenue available to the government.

The US spends more than any other country on health care, yet doesn't even provide universal health care, and worst of all provides a lower quality of delivered care to patients on a per capita basis than many other developed nations.

What would probably be best for the US is a two tier system . Here we have universal care, but some provinces can allow two tier care where you can pay out of pocket, or via insurance, for services as well. So in the US you would have federally provided universal care and then states can do their states right thing and make provisions for two tier care. Two tier here primarily is comprised of diagnostic imaging, primary physicians and out patient clinics. No private hospitals, no private emergency care etc. This would still allow some market for private health insurance from your employer, which we have here, it covers things like pharmaceuticals, support equipment, private rooms in hospitals etc. While keeping core hospital care out of a private system.

Probably never going to happen though, the propaganda is so strong against a proper health care system in the US and the insurance companies are so firmly entrenched. A lot pf private health insurance business would be eliminated, but that would be a good thing in the end.

 

[zinfamous]

There's quite a bit of Dem in that plan. It's Obamacare Lite as Rand Paul likes to say.

I mean.....wtf?