Why firefox sucks

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan
I don't know about n0c's requirements, but mine are that it be Free and Open Source.

BTW, does Opera run on BSD, and/or non-Intel architectures? That could be another reason.

It runs on FreeBSD (I don't know which versions), and on OpenBSD under linux emulation (last time I checked, before Mozilla was ported).

 

[ravana]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Ameesh
haha i love:http://www.messedup.net/firefox-demo.htm

well done.

its not centered in opera either

however

opera > ff > IE with adons > ie

I wish google bought Opera....it would be free then, like picasa

 

[n0cmonkey]

Oh, I haven't seen any screen shots for Mac OS X, but I'm doubting it has a proper interface. Maybe I'll try it out sometime just to see.

 

[Slickone]

How did Mozilla Firefox get so popular so freakin quick, vs. regular Mozilla that's been doing most of the same thing for a long time yet is nowhere near as popular?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Slickone
How did Mozilla Firefox get so popular so freakin quick, vs. regular Mozilla that's been doing most of the same thing for a long time yet is nowhere near as popular?

Because it's 0p71m1z3d!

 

[piroroadkill]

I am more secure than a secure thing.

I run SlimBrowser, which is a f ucking leet browser that uses the IE rendering engine.

But wait, you say, that still leaves you goatse wide open!!

No no, it doesn't. I run my browser as a restricted user account, so nothing can penetrate me anally. Honestly, if anything tried to run offensively, spawned by my browser, it would be running under an account which has access to do nothing than access a handful of registry keys and a documents and settings folder for an account I use for nothing but accessing the internet, it would be pointless.

I never get spyware, viruses, popups, or any of that shit.

People who use FireFox because IE gave them problems, just don't know enough about computers, and also probably want to use Linux, because Windows gives them problems. Learn enough about your trade and you won't bitch and whine so much, but to a casual user, if you get problems, don't blame your programs. Blame your lack of knowledge.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Slickone
How did Mozilla Firefox get so popular so freakin quick, vs. regular Mozilla that's been doing most of the same thing for a long time yet is nowhere near as popular?

A lot of us network security techs liked it, and some of us write articles for magazines and e-zines, and we basically did the marketing for them.

 

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Slickone
How did Mozilla Firefox get so popular so freakin quick, vs. regular Mozilla that's been doing most of the same thing for a long time yet is nowhere near as popular?

A lot of us network security techs liked it, and some of us write articles for magazines and e-zines, and we basically did the marketing for them.

And you didn't like Mozilla? Why?

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuyIt IS free. Why is open source a requirement?

Unless something has changed drastically, Opera is NOT free.

It's free to download and use.

Paying $20 (if student) will get rid of the small banner in the corner.

With Java

Without Java

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: jagec
Unless something has changed drastically, Opera is NOT free.

It's free to download and use.

Adware != free.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
It's free to download and use.

Adware != free.

It's not like it's in a location you'd actually use anyway

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
It's free to download and use.

Adware != free.

It's not like it's in a location you'd actually use anyway

and its not adware anyway its a AD, it does nothing bad to your computer, it just sits there and says please buy opera

yes it runs on nearly everything
and its faster and more feature rich then any other browser

word is version 8 will add support for addblock, which will be the final nail in FF coffin IMO

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
It's free to download and use.

Adware != free.

It's not like it's in a location you'd actually use anyway

I'd feel like since it has an ad (no matter how small, still it annoys me) I would have the incredible urge to crack it - which is wrong.

So instead, I use a perfectly legal and excellent alternative: Mozilla or Firefox (depending on the task and the amount of RAM in the system in question).

Geez, piroroadkill, now who's bitching so much? Is Firefox that much of a threat to your precioussss that you must viciously lash out and make insults at all those who use it? I use Linux on my NAT and personal web server, because it does more than Windows 2003 Server for less money, and it's legal-er than pirating a US$600 thing that I can't afford. Of course, this [use of Open Source software] instantly takes all of the remaining miniscule amount of IQ points that I had in your sight, but honestly, I don't give a shit. Oh well, why did I waste time writing this in the first place?

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Anubis
word is version 8 will add support for addblock, which will be the final nail in FF coffin IMO

So by that statement, you seem to imply that Firefox is already almost dead. For some reason, I don't get that vibe by looking at the marketshare numbers, but those don't mean much anyway. However, I still wonder how you can make the assumption that Firefox has somehow become feature-frozen at this point, with no new features ever to be added in the future?

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
It's not like it's in a location you'd actually use anyway

I would have the incredible urge to crack it - which is wrong.

Of course

*shuffles a few CDs under the rug*

 

[Cat]

This is hilarious. How can you get a CS degree and not know what a syntactically correct piece of code guarantees you?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
It's free to download and use.

Adware != free.

It's not like it's in a location you'd actually use anyway

and its not adware anyway its a AD, it does nothing bad to your computer, it just sits there and says please buy opera

yes it runs on nearly everything
and its faster and more feature rich then any other browser

word is version 8 will add support for addblock, which will be the final nail in FF coffin IMO

It's softWARE that forces an AD on me. It's adware. And FF/Mozilla will still be around and kicking pretty well since OPERA IS NOT FREE. Opera does not run on all platforms. It runs on a MINISCULE amount of possible platforms, so why bother with it?

 

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
I think people are exaggerating the spyware problem in IE. If you do certain things that you should be doing regardless of your browser, you should be fine.

Unfortunately, that's not true. IE has many security holes that allow spyware to infect Windows machine without the user having to do anything but visit the site. Microsoft has patched several holes this past year, but there are always a dozen or so unpatched known security flaws at any given time.

And you nailed the whole issue with MS products: it's holds the largest share of the desktop OS and browser market. Being such a large target it's more prone to any malicious attack, just because those who want to cause damage can do more because of the extent MS products reach the globe.

If *nix and another browser took the lead, they'll face the same challenge and get into the same mindset to dig in to protect their brand (and open source tries to protect it's projects just like MS it's platform code).

The bashing is no different than bashing IBM in 1984, they were king of of the PC world then.

IE is the whipping post for everything...including the dog who ate a kid's homework. It's the hype and hoopla that causes these conflicts which need not exist in the first place. People with lives chose to take the simplist solution: their OS has IE and they use it. People can claim they're stupid and worse, but to claim they're stupid for using what's simplier to use and operate IS what's stupid in the first place.

Occam's Razor applies -- alternative solutions to this problem may add choice, but it adds more complexity for someone to get the same benefit. It's self defeating from the start -- and why even at best Firefox would have but 20% of the browser market. Defenders are on a forlourn hope mission.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: BigJ

Bingo! I honestly don't know how he made it through any accreditied college's CS program without being able to understand the difference.

With a C++ GPA?

Hahaha, thats so bad, but an awesome joke.

 

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan
Our IE apologist (do I sense some anti-anti-conformity here?) adamantly states that we all must code for IE instead of coding to standards. I'm very sorry, but just because he wants to be willingly ignorant (in other words, "dumb on purpose"), does not mean that he shouol be excused for trying to drag the rest of us down to his level.

His "screw the minorities" attitude works <sarcasm>really well</sarcasm>, especially when you consider that a site with loads of proprietary BS will also not be accessible to certain groups of persons with physical handicaps (gah, I guess that's the politically correct way of saying that somebody's blind) who must use specialized browsers that are much rarer than Firefox et. al.

If you're referring to me, I'm a woman (yeah geeky women exist, big boy). Actually I never said that, but I do say that there shouldn't be pressure to confirm to some purists ideal. If that's so we'll all be using MACs today.....lololol

Web designers must be able to expand, they are NOT just programmers. Anytime art is confined it becomes ugly and even Church sanction!!

And I don't seek to be converted to any Church. What works, what passes W3C, HTMLTidy and whatever else code checker does the trick. If it looks sorry in an alternative browser, 90% of the time there's a IE button to click on folk's computer, anyway -- it's a non issue.

Yeah, accessibility is key. Many sites only will operate effectively in IE (try vBulletin's advanced text editor, for example. It's uses MS proprietary code to work because 90% of the market uses it, especially the forum population). You can't, I can't, W3C can't change it. Each site is their own serfdom, and each site can chose to use IE only code if they choose. The internet is NOT the Soviet Union, afterall.

 

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: Slickone
How did Mozilla Firefox get so popular so freakin quick, vs. regular Mozilla that's been doing most of the same thing for a long time yet is nowhere near as popular?

Because it mimicks IE. If you look at how it handles CSS1, it looks awfully familiar to IE. It's GUI also is more Windowish. It's considered the tabbed version of IE!

I admit between the other OSes, I prefer to code with IE and Firefox than the rest. But IE is still the majority leader, and life needs to be much more simple.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Terumo

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete
I think people are exaggerating the spyware problem in IE. If you do certain things that you should be doing regardless of your browser, you should be fine.

Unfortunately, that's not true. IE has many security holes that allow spyware to infect Windows machine without the user having to do anything but visit the site. Microsoft has patched several holes this past year, but there are always a dozen or so unpatched known security flaws at any given time.

And you nailed the whole issue with MS products: it's holds the largest share of the desktop OS and browser market. Being such a large target it's more prone to any malicious attack, just because those who want to cause damage can do more because of the extent MS products reach the globe.

If *nix and another browser took the lead, they'll face the same challenge and get into the same mindset to dig in to protect their brand (and open source tries to protect it's projects just like MS it's platform code).

The bashing is no different than bashing IBM in 1984, they were king of of the PC world then.

IE is the whipping post for everything...including the dog who ate a kid's homework. It's the hype and hoopla that causes these conflicts which need not exist in the first place. People with lives chose to take the simplist solution: their OS has IE and they use it. People can claim they're stupid and worse, but to claim they're stupid for using what's simplier to use and operate IS what's stupid in the first place.

Occam's Razor applies -- alternative solutions to this problem may add choice, but it adds more complexity for someone to get the same benefit. It's self defeating from the start -- and why even at best Firefox would have but 20% of the browser market. Defenders are on a forlourn hope mission.

Apache holds most of the webserver market, but IIS has the bad rap. Explain, please.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Terumo

Originally posted by: ProviaFan
Our IE apologist (do I sense some anti-anti-conformity here?) adamantly states that we all must code for IE instead of coding to standards. I'm very sorry, but just because he wants to be willingly ignorant (in other words, "dumb on purpose"), does not mean that he shouol be excused for trying to drag the rest of us down to his level.

His "screw the minorities" attitude works <sarcasm>really well</sarcasm>, especially when you consider that a site with loads of proprietary BS will also not be accessible to certain groups of persons with physical handicaps (gah, I guess that's the politically correct way of saying that somebody's blind) who must use specialized browsers that are much rarer than Firefox et. al.

If you're referring to me, I'm a woman (yeah geeky women exist, big boy). Actually I never said that, but I do say that there shouldn't be pressure to confirm to some purists ideal. If that's so we'll all be using MACs today.....lololol

Web designers must be able to expand, they are NOT just programmers. Anytime art is confined it becomes ugly and even Church sanction!!

And I don't seek to be converted to any Church. What works, what passes W3C, HTMLTidy and whatever else code checker does the trick. If it looks sorry in an alternative browser, 90% of the time there's a IE button to click on folk's computer, anyway -- it's a non issue.

Yeah, accessibility is key. Many sites only will operate effectively in IE (try vBulletin's advanced text editor, for example. It's uses MS proprietary code to work because 90% of the market uses it, especially the forum population). You can't, I can't, W3C can't change it. Each site is their own serfdom, and each site can chose to use IE only code if they choose. The internet is NOT the Soviet Union, afterall.

You aren't using a MAC? I hope you get broadband soon. :beer:

 

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: piroroadkill
People who use FireFox because IE gave them problems, just don't know enough about computers, and also probably want to use Linux, because Windows gives them problems. Learn enough about your trade and you won't bitch and whine so much, but to a casual user, if you get problems, don't blame your programs. Blame your lack of knowledge.

In the days that I've been online (12 years -- anyone remember Genie??), the only virus I picked up was opening an attachment for a friend who didn't have a way to open it. Anti-virus found it on the spot, and that eliminated that problem. Killed it and got the text and be done.

Download hogs get what they deserve if they download and open everything without proper AV updates, and hardening of one's computer. 90% of the problems would be solved if folks just keep up on virus and other security updates, and their browser security settings. What 2 minutes of a day to do??

I frankly careless about tabbed browsing and other bells and whistles than a browser that fires up fast, it takes me to where I want to go, and has reasonable features to get what I want without fuss.

Crap there used to be a time when there was NO fancy graphical browser, the internet was but BBSes, and as bland as a command line.

 

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Apache holds most of the webserver market, but IIS has the bad rap. Explain, please.

Microsoft product. Prodigy of a king, and thus attacked. And Apache isn't without problems itself.

Mostly the GENIUNE complaints were resolved now in Windows Server 2003. Matter of fact, even *nix admins are grudgingly admitting it can do some things better -- and faster.

Personally if I could get some netware to work with WS2003, I'd switch my server to it, considering the reports I get of how well it can speed a forum. And it's a lot easier to work via a GUI for routine tasks than to be a slave to another proggie (like Putty) to even change a system file.