Why evolution is true (another great science lecture)

[Malak]

No, he says he doesn't want anything to do with someone who refuses to be swayed by rock solid evidence. I tend to agree, which is why my participation in this thread and threads like it is so minimal.

I fail to see how a dolphin with 4 fins is rock solid evidence that evolution ever occurs. I really want to know if you even read the counter-arguements at all. Did you read Simmon's book?

 

[alrocky]

May just get his book and or Don Prothero's Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why it Matters. There's a hilarious 1 Star Review on Amazon.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I fail to see how a dolphin with 4 fins is rock solid evidence that evolution ever occurs. I really want to know if you even read the counter-arguements at all. Did you read Simmon's book?

To get minimally involved here the dysfunctional conflict between science and religion is more political in origin than anything else. In not going to haul out references because your faith is most likely dependent on the denial of evolution. You know that "rock solid" doesn't exist so that's what you ask for.

Martin Luther excoriated Copernicus because as he put it Joshua didn't command the Earth to stop. I know of no one who would make that argument today.

Fortunately my Christian friends are more concerned about the concept of salvation rather than denial of the overwhelming body of evidence which supports evolution. They have a more robust faith.

If you wish to deny evolution so be it, but you won't be able to do it with science.

 

[Malak]

Quote of Richard Dawkins in in the book:

"Anybody who doesn't believe in evolution is stupid, insane, or hasn't read Jerry Coyne. I defy any reasonable person to read this marvelous book and still take seriously the breathtaking inanity that is intelligent design 'theory' or its country cousin, young earth creationism."

How do they expect anyone to take them seriously if they insult anyone that doesn't believe them?

 

[biggestmuff]

 

[Malak]

To get minimally involved here the dysfunctional conflict between science and religion is more political in origin than anything else. In not going to haul out references because your faith is most likely dependent on the denial of evolution. You know that "rock solid" doesn't exist so that's what you ask for.

My faith has absolutely nothing to do with evolution. If someone claims that their theory is true and anyone that doesn't believe it is stupid, why can't I ask for a reason to that claim? I don't think evolution is true based on what I understand of biology, not anything religious.

If you wish to deny evolution so be it, but you won't be able to do it with science.

But.. I can. I have. The entire reason I don't believe in evolution is based in science. The best the guy can come up with for any hard evidence is rare mutations, unrelated to his theory. He can't answer the question of why the prostate exists, so clearly it's evidence of evolution. It's all... silly. Just open your eyes and take it for what it is. Desperate grasping for anything that might prove his beliefs true. None of it is science.

 

[MercenaryYoureFired]

I think believing in God is just as ridiculous as believing our universe popped up and came from literally nothing. Therefore both arguments are at equal ends with each other.

But really, think about what nothing is. Think about the space needed to hold the universe; billions of light years of space, where did it all come from? How did this empty space exist before the big bang if it was nothing? What is beyond the universe and how did that become about? How did our elements, rocks, air, gases, metals, all of a sudden appear from no where and from nothing.

Some of you people will have me believe that the contents of this universe, the planets that are millions of times bigger than earth, universes so plentiful and so unfathomably far away came from not only nothing but from something smaller than the smallest atom that happened to just suddenly appear for absolutely no reason at all, but will laugh at me at the idea that there may be a LOL MAGIC BEARD MAN. The scope isn't just earth or evolution, it's everything. And as far I'm concerned, we're laughing at you.

 

[dguy6789]

See sig.

 

[CZroe]

OP: Your lame-ass avatar compels me to ignore you. SHUN!

The "I'm cool because Dragonball is cool" mentality only works if Dragonball isn't totally lame.

This isn't a kiddie forum.

 

[skace]

There was a time when I'd have been suckered into arguing w/ Malak too. I guess I'm getting old, his shits transparent. Do yourselves a favor, next time someone is trolling a thread, read through their posts and ask yourself this "has this person offered up a single shred of information toward their side of the argument or do they consistantly throw out generalities". If you can't find any then you know the answer without even arguing.

 

[SunSamurai]

Dragonball is awesome

 

[Gibsons]

Dragonball is awesome

That's just a theory.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Quote me, please. I never claimed either.

Right here on your 2nd post

God isn't a theory though. That would be like saying you are a theory. Existant beings cannot be theories.

Now I dont know if youre just trolling or something, as a fellow human being your stupidity insults me

What makes God existant? Theres heck of a lot more evidence that evolution is a fact, than God existing, yet in your twisted world, its somehow the opposite

And dont forget its impossible to prove something doesnt exist in the first place, but believing in God is the same as believing in Ghosts, Santa claus, Fairies, and whatever other mythological creatures you feel like believing in

 

[SunSamurai]

That's just a theory.

One based on facts!

 

[SunSamurai]

May just get his book and or Don Prothero's Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why it Matters. There's a hilarious 1 Star Review on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3H56V0...wasThisHelpful

:awe:

 

[xSauronx]

Quote of Richard Dawkins in in the book:

"Anybody who doesn't believe in evolution is stupid, insane, or hasn't read Jerry Coyne. I defy any reasonable person to read this marvelous book and still take seriously the breathtaking inanity that is intelligent design 'theory' or its country cousin, young earth creationism."

How do they expect anyone to take them seriously if they insult anyone that doesn't believe them?

Because you wouldnt take him seriously if he brought you a plate of fresh cookies and a glass of milk and asked for a reasonable discussion. After some people try a few times (or hell, maybe a hundred times, or a thousand), they sometimes just give up and figure its a waste of time to argue logic, evidence and scientific theory with someone who will gladly take the benefits of science while denying how any of it works when it conflicts with the teachings of people who refuse to change anything they know or understand based on reality.

Like your computers and cell phones and high definition video? How about modern medicine? Maybe food? How about transportation?

Thank science and the research and subsequent theories that make advances in all of those areas possible.

I was raised religious in a very religious household, spent lots of time in church growing up and was even sent to a christian school for the majority of my education. I was taught 6-day creationism up the ass for 20 years.

I later, however, made the choice based on evidence, logic and scientific theory to abandon the ridiculous things I had been taught because they are clearly made up out of thin air and have absolutely zero basis in reality.

I generally don't bother wasting my time anymore arguing evolution with creationists. I have no problem with people who believe things that I dont believe...but that doesnt keep their denial of reality from being mind-bogglingly absurd.

 

[Kirby]

I must be the only person who doesn't give a shit about evolution. I can't think of anything less interesting to talk about. Except maybe statistics.

 

[surfsatwerk]

I must be the only person who doesn't give a shit about evolution. I can't think of anything less interesting to talk about. Except maybe statistics.

Evolution in itself isn't the most interesting topic. But it's kind of a baseline topic to see witch people are capable of rational thought.

 

[Kirby]

Evolution in itself isn't the most interesting topic. But it's kind of a baseline topic to see witch people are capable of rational thought.

Ehh, it's like most topics I don't care about. The scientific community says it's true, then it's true. I really don't care enough to investigate it myself, mainly because my life doesn't depend on it being one way or the other.

Apathy FTW.

It's sort of funny, the only time I ever hear about evolution is on AT and back in 10th grade biology.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I must be the only person who doesn't give a shit about evolution. I can't think of anything less interesting to talk about. Except maybe statistics.

Evolution itself is kind of boring in that it's like talking about door knobs. Finding new fossils and links are cool, but running around talking about Maxwell's Equations all the time would get old too.

Realize though that the OP's purpose in all this isn't to discuss evolution at all. It's a reasonably good attempt at trolling. In fact here it's done quite well as all religion threads have. Make no mistake, this isn't about science, it's about using the pretense to get a rise out of people. If he was innocent of it before, he certainly would have understood after his first thread about the Big Bang.

This is about him getting people riled up while he sits back and laughs. Everyone needs a hobby.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Ehh, it's like most topics I don't care about. The scientific community says it's true, then it's true. I really don't care enough to investigate it myself, mainly because my life doesn't depend on it being one way or the other.

Apathy FTW.

It's sort of funny, the only time I ever hear about evolution is on AT and back in 10th grade biology.

I can't get very passionate arguing the subject here, but in real life I can get pretty rabid about it. Freedom of speech doesn't give people the right to vomit up their stupid ignorant thoughts without being told they are stupid and ignorant.

 

[Gibsons]

Evolution itself is kind of boring in that it's like talking about door knobs. Finding new fossils and links are cool, but running around talking about Maxwell's Equations all the time would get old too.

Realize though that the OP's purpose in all this isn't to discuss evolution at all. It's a reasonably good attempt at trolling. In fact here it's done quite well as all religion threads have. Make no mistake, this isn't about science, it's about using the pretense to get a rise out of people. If he was innocent of it before, he certainly would have understood after his first thread about the Big Bang.

This is about him getting people riled up while he sits back and laughs. Everyone needs a hobby.

I think evolution is fascinating, really enjoy discussing with a some of my friends.

What's happening to the 3' alpha enhancer? Does the human immune system benefit from an EBV infection and what are the consequences of that? Neat stuff, but I'm a geek.

 

[Kirby]

Evolution itself is kind of boring in that it's like talking about door knobs. Finding new fossils and links are cool, but running around talking about Maxwell's Equations all the time would get old too.

Realize though that the OP's purpose in all this isn't to discuss evolution at all. It's a reasonably good attempt at trolling. In fact here it's done quite well as all religion threads have. Make no mistake, this isn't about science, it's about using the pretense to get a rise out of people. If he was innocent of it before, he certainly would have understood after his first thread about the Big Bang.

This is about him getting people riled up while he sits back and laughs. Everyone needs a hobby.

 

[JDub02]

Its amazing that all the people who are arguing in favor of evolutionists seem to feel the need to gang up on the creationists. You really need 15 different people all going after one person - sure seems like something that is "fact" wouldn't need that...

Also, everyone in here is arguing like they are an expert on the topic. I have led Small Groups and Bible studies, I have led Youth Retreats, but I'm not theologian. I can't just pull out a verse from the Bible on queue. My place is not to debate these thinkers - I know what I believe, I know why I believe it. I'm more than happy to have a discussion with people who do not believe in Christ, but God has other purposes for me - I'll leave the debating up to better men/women.

That being said, all of you who claim evolution is a fact are delusional. Can it be something you believe in (regardless of what I may believe), well that is your prerogative. However, if it were a fact then scientists wouldn't still be trying in vain to prove it. It is a theory regarding life.

Furthermore, sorry Atheists, you are a religion.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
Religion - a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects

-Kevin

I'll just quote this since my own thoughts are so close.

Macro-evolution is so off the wall that it's almost laughable.

I present "evolution in a nutshell" --

Once upon a time, there was nothing. Then, for reasons we can't explain, there was a bang and the universe appeared. We don't know how and we don't know why.

And in this universe that somehow appeared, there was a rock revolving around a ball of flaming gas that we're not sure how it caught on fire. On this rock, some slime formed .. again, for reasons unknown.

Then a billion years pass and here we are ... although we don't know how and we don't know why.


I don't claim to know how everything got here, but my life experiences tell me that there's a greater force (God, to some) out there.

 

[nixium]

I'll just quote this since my own thoughts are so close.

Macro-evolution is so off the wall that it's almost laughable.

I present "evolution in a nutshell" --

Once upon a time, there was nothing. Then, for reasons we can't explain, there was a bang and the universe appeared. We don't know how and we don't know why.

And in this universe that somehow appeared, there was a rock revolving around a ball of flaming gas that we're not sure how it caught on fire. On this rock, some slime formed .. again, for reasons unknown.

Then a billion years pass and here we are ... although we don't know how and we don't know why.


I don't claim to know how everything got here, but my life experiences tell me that there's a greater force (God, to some) out there.

This is why you should pay attention in high school science classes instead of sniffing erasers...