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Why don't you use Mozilla Firebird?
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Nothinman
Elite Member
Our definitions of 'best' clearly aren't anywhere near the same. It's not a question of preferring the underdog, most people prefer Mozilla because it's just better technically. MSHTML is a decent HTML renderer (although it has more holes than the PGA tour) but the IE browser MS wrapped around it is really lame. It installs things behind your back by default and has virtually no options and you can't even remove it or reinstall it when it breaks because it's so tightly coupled with the OS.
The only thing I'd like to see Mozilla do in the future is get a little slimmer on the memory usage but it's impossible to compare it to IE because most of IE is loaded with the shell, but even my notebook has 1G memory so I'm not too worried about it.
If it does, and that's a big if IMO, there's no doubt MS will do what AOL did with Netscape and have a huge whitelist of sites that are exempt from the pop-up blocking and can do anything with cookies that you'll have to remove by hand. And the list will probably be much larger than AOL's because every site on the Internet these days uses popups and will do whatever it takes to get on that list.
Exactly, why wait for IE to incorporate features that have been aviable in other browsers for years? It has been so long since I stopped using IE I forget how much of a hostile enviroment that internet is for technically flawed browsers.
I get virtually no pop-ups. The only ones that come up are ones that I let thru manually or requested directly. No more pransters with "gay porn I can't beleive you visit gay porn websites hwa ha ha." with a billion pop-ups that fill my desktop faster then I can delete it.
When I visit my parents first thing I do after saying hi to everyone and chichating for a bit I go and clean up the damage caused to the computer from children using IE on winXP. Even with all the latest patches a nice firewall and virus software I can virtually garrentee you that I find at least 2 instances of spyware or viruses or adware or whatever.
It's pretty bad when I come home and my little sister's IE browser defaults to a lesbian porno page every 30 minutes or so. 5 minutes latter and it's a easy fix, but it's just silly. The internet is ruthless sometimes, and yet it's a freindly place to me because I use a decent browser, no worries.
If you want the best browser aviable you'd better go out and buy Opera, but IE isn't even on the same playing feild that Mozilla is. It's like that google toolbar thing. IE users tend to get exicted about it. I've had those features for a long long time.
Plus a nice thing is extensions were you can add more functionality to the browser that other people have developed and thought was usefull.
If I was a valley girl I'd be saying right now: "OMG, Gah. IE is like, like... So mid-nineteen-nineties."
I get virtually no pop-ups. The only ones that come up are ones that I let thru manually or requested directly. No more pransters with "gay porn I can't beleive you visit gay porn websites hwa ha ha." with a billion pop-ups that fill my desktop faster then I can delete it.
When I visit my parents first thing I do after saying hi to everyone and chichating for a bit I go and clean up the damage caused to the computer from children using IE on winXP. Even with all the latest patches a nice firewall and virus software I can virtually garrentee you that I find at least 2 instances of spyware or viruses or adware or whatever.
It's pretty bad when I come home and my little sister's IE browser defaults to a lesbian porno page every 30 minutes or so. 5 minutes latter and it's a easy fix, but it's just silly. The internet is ruthless sometimes, and yet it's a freindly place to me because I use a decent browser, no worries.
If you want the best browser aviable you'd better go out and buy Opera, but IE isn't even on the same playing feild that Mozilla is. It's like that google toolbar thing. IE users tend to get exicted about it. I've had those features for a long long time.
Plus a nice thing is extensions were you can add more functionality to the browser that other people have developed and thought was usefull.
If I was a valley girl I'd be saying right now: "OMG, Gah. IE is like, like... So mid-nineteen-nineties."
As far using opera with "g seachterm" to search google, also check out the search preferences, you'll see there are many other defaults such as amazon and ebay.
I love opera and use it all the time. I tried to make myself use mozilla for a week and couldn't do it. The tabbed features suck compared to opera. In opera I can right click a link and choose open as a tab in the background and I do that all the time. Also if I close down opera or it crashes it remembers the state of all the tabs and opens them back up as they were. I like being able to apply my own style sheet to an ugly/unreadable page. I really like the zoom feature alot too, if I put my legs up and lean back from the desk I can keep reading or make too-small text readable.
I love opera and use it all the time. I tried to make myself use mozilla for a week and couldn't do it. The tabbed features suck compared to opera. In opera I can right click a link and choose open as a tab in the background and I do that all the time. Also if I close down opera or it crashes it remembers the state of all the tabs and opens them back up as they were. I like being able to apply my own style sheet to an ugly/unreadable page. I really like the zoom feature alot too, if I put my legs up and lean back from the desk I can keep reading or make too-small text readable.
easternerd
Member
Mozilla Firebird ROOOOLZZZZ 🙂
its the best...
ever since i downloaded it ive been using it..
the tabbed interface (ctrl+t).. wow ive fallen in love with it..
im really thinking why another stable browser never came b4 from mozilla ...
its the best.. if only the authors can get around the few glitches while displaying complex frames and etc.,,
it will overcome IE.
its the best...
ever since i downloaded it ive been using it..
the tabbed interface (ctrl+t).. wow ive fallen in love with it..
im really thinking why another stable browser never came b4 from mozilla ...
its the best.. if only the authors can get around the few glitches while displaying complex frames and etc.,,
it will overcome IE.
I've been using Firebird since it was Phoenix 0.1, and the latest release (0.7) is by far the best on WinXP. I used to use Mozilla, but I didn't really use anything but the browser, so Firebird was an easy choice for me. A few things IE has that I'd like to see on Firebird would be the Google Toolbar and something that would allow users to have a general list of keywords for forms so that whenever I'm typing info into a form on any page, it completes it or searches through the list for the best match. I know this feature is available with IE for Mac OS 9, and it's different than the auto-complete/saved form info that Firebird has.
Out of curiosity, I have questions for Mozillaish users and IE users. How many spyware apps have been installed through Mozilla and its children? How about by IE?
EDIT: To anyone answering either/both of these questions: Please list the browser and any addons/extensions/plugins/etc you are using.
EDIT: To anyone answering either/both of these questions: Please list the browser and any addons/extensions/plugins/etc you are using.
You could maybe do it with clever use of a severe firewall and a proxy with clever filters.....
As far as spyware, I've had to clean several different apps up from IE, but I never heard of Mozilla installing spyware before. I know that IE installing spyware is generally volentary(do you want to trust content from Gator?), but I know a couple of those spyware from the more unscrupolous have been installed thru vunerablities time to time (disguised installation pop-ups (click yes to close window) and other vunerablities). I don't know about mozilla under Windows. I don't know how much would be from IE specific vunerablities vs my Mozilla experiance in Linux. How much of it is do the browser, or just bad OS design?. While I was using Win98 (and IE) I missed (as in didn't get infected) most things, but my siblings aren't so "disciplined" or go thru the windows-weary behaviors that I adapted to to protect myself.
Mem
Lifer
I don`t have the answer to that,however I do know SpywareBlaster will block most spyware and is also updated often,SpywareBlaster link .
I do the same thing with only one click in Mozilla/Firebird. Just middle click a link, and it opens as a tab in the background...
Mozilla won't do this. Of course it doesn't crash nearly as often as Opera or IE either. I almost never get a crash, and if I do, it usually seems to be related.
Both features available in Mozilla. Firebird does not have the alternate stylesheets capabilities, at least not in the GUI.
Of course there is a mouse gestures extension for Mozilla and Firebird. I hate using IE since I can't use my mouse gestures. I've really been getting into the mouse rockers lately. Plus, Firebird has neat ad blocking capabilities. Not just pop-ups and pop-unders, it actually removes ads from within pages. And you can do lots of tweaks that get rid of annoying things such as <blink> and <marqee> tags. Find as you type was already mentioned, and is a great idea. I use it constantly.
If you've ever tried to create a standards compliant web page with CSS, you know how awful IE's support for CSS is. Eric Meyer has a page of some really neat stuff you can do in a completely standards compliant way, but much of it doesn't work with IE. I myself have discovered a couple of very frustrating things that aren't supported or are done strangely. IE doesn't support the minwidth and minheight style options, for example. I often have to come up with hacks to get around IE's inadequacies. Opera has better CSS support than IE, but I haven't seen a case where it has superior capabilities to the Gecko engine (the one used by Mozilla and friends).
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