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Why don't we freeze automatic government employee raises?

Nebor

Nebor

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Wouldn't that be a reasonable step to take in light of our current deficit and the unemployment rate? If all your government workers that get a raise every year based on their number of years in service were frozen at their current level? It's not like it would be substantially harming them; if they can live on what they're making now, raises are just "gravy."

When and if the deficit is repaired we can bring them up to where they would have been, though I don't think paying back pay would be prudent.
 
How about we just go back to 2008 budget levels? If it was good enough for 2008 it should be good enough for 2011. That was the last time the Democrats actually passed a real budget anyway.
 
Since I haven't got a raise in 10 years I think that's an awesome Idea, lets start with Congress first.
 
Ausm said:
Since I haven't got a raise in 10 years I think that's an awesome Idea, lets start with Congress first.
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That's pretty poor reasoning. Just because your company isn't making money and\or you don't deserve a raise doesn't justify how another organization is run.

But our government "company" isn't making money, so something has to be done. Does Congress get automatic raises every year?
 
Nebor said:
That's pretty poor reasoning. Just because your company isn't making money and\or you don't deserve a raise doesn't justify how another organization is run.

But our government "company" isn't making money, so something has to be done. Does Congress get automatic raises every year?
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Why would it be poor reasoning on my part when I do more work in 10 minutes then what Congress could do in 6 months and they get a huge raise every year let alone tons of vacation time and a life time of free healthcare.
 
I think government wages should be indexed against an average national private wage. If unemployment is rampant, government salaries go down.
 
it's disgusting how many people still work at the government, let alone get raises, that don't do shit. my wife is a DoD contractor and her government counterparts seriously do nothing all day. yet they can take like 60 days of leave and still get mandatory pay increases. nobody ever gets let go because there's too much paperwork involved, and you have to go through stupid steps and let people have time to "fix* their mistakes. so they just get transferred to someone else and become someone else's problem.
 
Ausm said:
Why would it be poor reasoning on my part when I do more work in 10 minutes then what Congress could do in 6 months and they get a huge raise every year let alone tons of vacation time and a life time of free healthcare.
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You could say the same thing about the executives that work at your cable company or General Electric, or Kraft.
 
I work for a local government and step increases have been frozen for years. Sounds great in theory, but for me it means I'm going to have to quit because I can't pay my bills.
 
nanaki333 said:
it's disgusting how many people still work at the government, let alone get raises, that don't do shit. my wife is a DoD contractor and her government counterparts seriously do nothing all day. yet they can take like 60 days of leave and still get mandatory pay increases. nobody ever gets let go because there's too much paperwork involved, and you have to go through stupid steps and let people have time to "fix* their mistakes. so they just get transferred to someone else and become someone else's problem.
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see now thats just not true. there are slackers everywhere. when i was a DoD contractor, i saw plenty of civilians doing a shit load more work than i was and plenty of contractors that were worthless. Now that I am a DoD civilian, i still have plenty to do. So I've seen it from both sides of the fence and hard workers/slackers are in both areas. And its really not that hard to fire a civilian.

oh... and 10 paid holidays + 4 hours sick leave and 4 hours annual per pay period for where im at in my career. thats only 36 days. 😉
 
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I'd rather see they dismantle the DHS completely and then after that make a 15% cut across the board. The remaining employees pick up the slack or get replaced.
 
Ausm said:
WTF are laughing about...I don't have Cable and I don't buy those companies products.
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You're just being obtuse. There are obviously people out there whose wages you DO pay (other than the government) that do less work than you while making more money.
 
Throckmorton said:
I work for a local government and step increases have been frozen for years. Sounds great in theory, but for me it means I'm going to have to quit because I can't pay my bills.
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Wait...what? How did you afford to pay your bills for years but now are unable to? And how is quitting going to make you more able to pay your bills?
 
QuantumPion said:
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Wait...what? How did you afford to pay your bills for years but now are unable to? And how is quitting going to make you more able to pay your bills?
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I haven't been working here for years. I've been here a year and a half. If the salary was what it was supposed to be, I'd make enough to survive. But we've had not only a pay freeze, but furloughs for a year. I'm going to quit for a private sector job.

There is a big difference between the two ends of the pay scale. Those of us at the bottom struggle, but people at the top don't mind pay freezes, and they actually liked furloughs because it's a day off.
 
QuantumPion said:
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Wait...what? How did you afford to pay your bills for years but now are unable to? And how is quitting going to make you more able to pay your bills?
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Ummm...... cost of living has gone up quite a bit while local gov't salaries have remained constant or decreased. For many non-Federal gov't workers, they make less now in real money terms than they did in 2003, not even counting pension and health care cost increases.

Quitting helps because the private sector pays more, a lot more. Perquisite benefits are nice when the base pay is at least adequate but in the current climate many non-Federal gov't workers have been fleeing for private industry for a while now.
 
Throckmorton said:
I work for a local government and step increases have been frozen for years. Sounds great in theory, but for me it means I'm going to have to quit because I can't pay my bills.
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Best to line up another postition before quitting.
 
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