Use SATA to IDE adaptors if you don't have the connectors. Something like the ones that came with Abit NF7 motherboards.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...to+ide+adaptor&x=0&y=0
Problem solved!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...to+ide+adaptor&x=0&y=0
Problem solved!
I enjoy my IBM Model M keyboard very much, thank you. I'd never even consider a board without a native connector for it.
As to floppies, they ARE still essential for a lot of hardware, a small amount of which is still being sold. My venerable floppy drive broke down about a year ago. Well, I figured I didn't really need it anyway, so I just tossed it and said enough's enough. Well darn, I was wrong! I newer knew I had such a desperate need for a floppy drive! I tried to make to with slipstreaming windows cd:s, UBCD, flash drives, you name it. I even used small FAT partitions with DOS on my hard drive to run some tools.
The final straw came when I tried to flash the BIOS of a promise controller card, and it literally could not be done using any substitutes. It needed to write a log (why? don't know), and it would not run off of a hard drive.
End of story is, I actually went out and bought a brand new floppy drive
I couldn't quite believe it myself, but that's what happened. So I hope they never get rid of that floppy connector, I want my investment to pay off
Synomenon
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What was the controller card for? Was the BIOS update absolutely needed?
Actually, I still like the PS/2 port for keyboards since I can power on my PC w/ a PS/2 keyboard. As for the mouse PS/2 port, they can get rid of those. I've recently noticed that manufacturers have started releasing motherboards with just the purple keyboard PS/2 port and that's fine.
Actually, I still like the PS/2 port for keyboards since I can power on my PC w/ a PS/2 keyboard. As for the mouse PS/2 port, they can get rid of those. I've recently noticed that manufacturers have started releasing motherboards with just the purple keyboard PS/2 port and that's fine.
Be glad they actually still have ONE port for the clearly inferior IDE, and the only reason they haven't completely gotten rid of it is because of how ridiculously slow it has taken ROM drives to switch over to the SATA interface. Now that the ROM drives are finally starting to get on board it won't be too long until we see the IDE port completely disappear. As far as the floppy port, well I'm pretty sure that only exists for silly legacy stuff such as updating the BIOS or loading things like RAID drivers before installing an OS. However with newer OSes and newer hardware and technology offering alternatives, the floppy is about to see its time come to an end as well.
I couldn't stand managing IDE cables in my systems considering I generally run 4 drives or more (of which 2 ports wouldn't even be enough). SATA ports really are a major godsend for cable management - in my current rigs its as if the cables don't even exist - you can look inside the case and see the 4 HDDs and its as if they're wirelessly connected. Until I replaced the ROM drive, the one IDE cable still had to be awkwardly crammed into an inconveniently place even though it was sleeved. Now I just have to look into modding the damn ribbon cable that connects my X-Fi to its front panel, although because it doesn't have to bend or twist at all it still looks pretty good and organized, it's just blocking a lot more airflow in its original state.
I couldn't stand managing IDE cables in my systems considering I generally run 4 drives or more (of which 2 ports wouldn't even be enough). SATA ports really are a major godsend for cable management - in my current rigs its as if the cables don't even exist - you can look inside the case and see the 4 HDDs and its as if they're wirelessly connected. Until I replaced the ROM drive, the one IDE cable still had to be awkwardly crammed into an inconveniently place even though it was sleeved. Now I just have to look into modding the damn ribbon cable that connects my X-Fi to its front panel, although because it doesn't have to bend or twist at all it still looks pretty good and organized, it's just blocking a lot more airflow in its original state.
The chipset only provides a limited set of I/O channels, and the floppy doesn't use nearly the bandwidth needed by an IDE interface, so that's why they didn't remove the floppy interface in favor of keeping an extra IDE.
>You aren't being forced to buy SATA drives,
Actually, I AM if I want to upgrade. I have 2 IDE optical drives, and 2 IDE hard drives, all of which were purchased not that long ago. I also have a PCI TV tuner card, and PCI Faxmodem, both of which I use all the time. Now I see that pretty much all of the new motherboards have only 3 PCI slots. Guess what? That means I can either:
A) do without 2 of my drives (& buy new SATA ones)
B) do without the Internet (take my modem out)
or
C) no more TV
What the heck kind of a choice is that to force a person to make?
>I've had the opposite problem. I've had SATA cables fail on me when the cheap soft plastic >bends at the connector and it stops making a tight fit, but I've never had an IDE cable fail on >me.
I have to admit I've had an IDE/PATA ribbon fail - just last month actually. It gave the old message about no 80 connector cable, I replaced it, and PC ran just fine afterwards. However, my experience with SATA was much worse - the SATA CONNECTOR on my motherboard ACTUALLY CAME OFF! That's right, I was connecting a cable, pulled it a little bit to make sure it was snug, and the connector came right off of the motherboard. That's the main reason why I think SATA is crap - it simply isn't sturdy enough.
Actually, I AM if I want to upgrade. I have 2 IDE optical drives, and 2 IDE hard drives, all of which were purchased not that long ago. I also have a PCI TV tuner card, and PCI Faxmodem, both of which I use all the time. Now I see that pretty much all of the new motherboards have only 3 PCI slots. Guess what? That means I can either:
A) do without 2 of my drives (& buy new SATA ones)
B) do without the Internet (take my modem out)
or
C) no more TV
What the heck kind of a choice is that to force a person to make?
>I've had the opposite problem. I've had SATA cables fail on me when the cheap soft plastic >bends at the connector and it stops making a tight fit, but I've never had an IDE cable fail on >me.
I have to admit I've had an IDE/PATA ribbon fail - just last month actually. It gave the old message about no 80 connector cable, I replaced it, and PC ran just fine afterwards. However, my experience with SATA was much worse - the SATA CONNECTOR on my motherboard ACTUALLY CAME OFF! That's right, I was connecting a cable, pulled it a little bit to make sure it was snug, and the connector came right off of the motherboard. That's the main reason why I think SATA is crap - it simply isn't sturdy enough.
idiotekniQues
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You shouldn't have to listen to uninformed technology crap spouted in places like this by people presumably trying justify their existance ?
It will be some time yet before EIDE or the highly usefull Floppy drive dies out ---> both are very competent in what they do and there is still a large market need for both !
Like with the forced intro of PCIE, the intro of SATA was more about guaranteeing a manufacturers continued existance and profit margins than any drive towards meeting customer or performance needs?
The "enlightened" people who thought up SATA as a technology weren't too bright since they totally ignored that the problems with HDD communication speeds was more about the mechanics of the HDD rather than the interface communication chips or their connectors. Which is why SATA 150 drives were no better that EIDE types. And even today why SATA 300 drives are not much better ---> and certainly no better than would have been achieved by just upgrading the EIDE spec ?
In reality, SATA (seriel communications) is something that should only have emerged to support "electronic" storage technology (flash, etc), not mechanical !
However, let's just say there's a lot more money (profit) involved when you can "con" your customers into replacing existing kit with supposed new techlology that actually isn't really needed ---> it is however very important to make sure that the new kit is not any worse that what it replaces ---> somehing that Intel and others have in the past failed at ?
Of course it would be less easy for manufacturers to get away with such cons if it weren't for the many technology nerds/geeks , who mostly appear to not understand enough to know any better, spending countless hours at forums like this abusing anyone who dares to still want/use "yesterday's" technology. Unfortunally for all but the manufacturer, the nerd/geek is usually driven by a misplaced perception that "new" must mean better ---> and therefore must have ?
To date, I still use "yesterday's" technologies, and as such only purchased mobos which supported a Floppy, 2 EIDE interfaces (preferably ATA133), AGP, and where possible COM and Parallel ports. Meaning for my major jump onto intel C2D cpu (definitely a new technology to follow) bandwaggon, I initially opted for Asrock mobos. However, now having been "forced" into going for a high performance PCIE vga card, I recently purchased a Asus P5N-E mobo since it also directly supports 2xEIDE and all my other invaluable "yesterday's" technology needs.
IDE connectors take up a lot of space on the MB. It is one of the reasons that it was replaced by SATA (or more accurately, one of the reasons that SATA cables are so small). They keep one there for legacy support, but they would rather get rid of it entirely, so they can use that space for something else.
I'm sorry, but this is the kind of nonsense that shouldn't be posted on any forum purporting to help people !
Required connector space had absolutely no bearing on whether to have EIDE or introduce new SATA options ?
In fact, these days it could be said that a manufacturer has too much space for what he has on the mobo ---> example being, my P5N-E ATX mobo has all the technology most people would want, inc but not limited to C2D,2xEIDE 133,4xSATA 300,1394,4xDDRII,COM,Audio, etc and yet it is actually smaller than the ATX spec ---> obviously space was not an issue for manufacturer of this particular mobo ?
RE: everyone dissin' on the floppy drives
how do you plan on flashing your bios?
if you use usb, you are braver than I (dare I say most? yes, I think I will)
unless you have a motherboard equipped with something similar to asus' ez flash then your mobo will ALWAYS have floppy ide
how do you plan on flashing your bios?
if you use usb, you are braver than I (dare I say most? yes, I think I will)
unless you have a motherboard equipped with something similar to asus' ez flash then your mobo will ALWAYS have floppy ide
Synomenon
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I use two CD-RWs to flash my BIOS. A clean boot CD that loads a DOS shell w/ optical drive support and a CD-RW with the BIOS file and the BIOS flashing program.
First I put in a clean boot CD. Once the PC has booted into the DOS environment, I change the directory to my CD drive. I put the CD-RW that has the BIOS file and flashing program. Then I run the flashing program.
Been doing it this way for almost 10 years.
First I put in a clean boot CD. Once the PC has booted into the DOS environment, I change the directory to my CD drive. I put the CD-RW that has the BIOS file and flashing program. Then I run the flashing program.
Been doing it this way for almost 10 years.
taltamir
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IDE is a piece of shit and SATA is awesome. Stop being a luddite and get with the program. I just bought a new SATA DVDRW instead of getting an extra long IDE cable to connect my existing drive. I have 5 SATA hdd and 1 SATA DVDRW plugged into my mobo right now and it rocks, none of that jumpers and master slave and bulky cables crap.
Heck SATA is actually cheaper to construct then IDE, and with widespread availabliltiy the "early adopter tax" is finally dying and I actually see SATA models cheaper then IDE
That being said... 100$ for a terabyte ide HDD? get out of here! where? I will buy them ASAP and use them to build a NAS RAID. (to be connected through eSATA port ofcourse...)
Heck SATA is actually cheaper to construct then IDE, and with widespread availabliltiy the "early adopter tax" is finally dying and I actually see SATA models cheaper then IDE
That being said... 100$ for a terabyte ide HDD? get out of here! where? I will buy them ASAP and use them to build a NAS RAID. (to be connected through eSATA port ofcourse...)
STOP USING PATA/IDE. you're olding back the advancement of new technology!
SATA & newer technology ftw. my mb has 8 sata ports and i don't even use the IDE port. my DVD drive is optical and so are all my HDD's.
cable management is so much better.
SATA & newer technology ftw. my mb has 8 sata ports and i don't even use the IDE port. my DVD drive is optical and so are all my HDD's.
cable management is so much better.
Predictable !
I assume you are one of the new technology NERDS ---> or should your posting just be taken as a bit of unhelpfull childish SPAM ?
And another one appears out of the woodwork !
I assume you are one of the new technology GEEKS !
Originally posted by: jimmor
And another one appears out of the woodwork !
I assume you are one of the new technology GEEKS !
yep i abandoned IDE once my last optical drive died and don't intend on replacing any of my SATA devides with old technology. Have fun with your fat cables =]
There was another problem with the IDE interface: if two drives were on the same channel you were screwed if you needed to access both at once.
And where do you come up with these ridiculous conspiracy theories when it's been demonstrated multiple times above in this thread that there are still many economical options for using IDE drives.
Until one of you luddites posts up a link of $100 terabyte IDE drives, face the facts: IDE is as cheap as it ever was or cheaper, and so is SATA. IDE is dead and if you stubborn idiots would realize it the industry could finally just bury it. SATA is here to stay.
Sata drives are as cheap as pata,less cable mess, lower power consumption,wider bandwidth, Havent bought one since the NF7S.No, correction the Dfi NF2. just use the Ide adapter for older drives. Though I use TMODS bios CD method for flashing,I still use a floppy. The only reason I still use any Ide devices is I just dont throw away anything still useful. And as to jimmor, at 55yo I doubt I'm a New Tech Geek
Of course there are many reasons for still wanting to use EIDE devices, and which is why I still use them ---> you would however do better communicating that sort of advice to the SATA nerds/geeks who like to continually bash EIDE, or any non-new technology for that matter, simply because they obviously don't know enough to know any better ?
"conspiracy theories"??? ---> You obviously missed the "real" point being that the initial forced changeover to SATA, like many past "new" introductions, was actually a NEGATIVE experience (SATA was slower than EIDE) that the mass customer didn't need. And because of how HDD devices actually work, any progression of this new SATA technology was always going to be slow, if not pointless, untill someone developed a suitable "electronic" storage solution to partner it ---> and that position remains even today ?
And up untill you posted your "IDE is dead and if you stubborn ...." idiotic statement, you nearly got away with hiding your real NERD/GEEK identity ---> as indicated before, you people obviously don't know enough to get passed continually voicing your negative fixation on anything non-new !!!
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