Why don't liberals move to Canada?

[Zedtom]

I suppose that there are some forum members here that would have been faithful to the King of England during the American Revolution. Their attitude would be: "let's stay the course, we don't need to rock the boat."

 

[DealMonkey]

This is a great country. Yup.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Ok, so nobody want to even try to give a serious answer?

I think you got some serious answers. This country isn't based on if you don't like it leave. This is a country supposedly by the people for the people, is it not?

I'm not suggesting Liberals be banned from voting...just that they live in a place that they don't have to work so hard to change.

....and you live in CA why again?

Do you hear me incessently shrieking about how horrible and wayward the state is? No you don't.

But you would vote for conservative candidates, you would conceivably assist in conservative election campaigns, write messages on internet bulletin boards supporting conservative political initiatives, correct?

I'm sure we could say the same thing (If you don't like America, then leave) to Ann Coulter, Hannity, Rush, etc. But we don't. At least I don't. Not all conservatives are blowhards, nor are all liberals.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: conjur
Who here is complaining about the nation, itself? It's the leadership that needs to be removed and replaced with one that will foster debate in determining policy and actually use diplomacy in its foreign relations.

The nation is just the collection of rules and policies. You change them you change the nation. If we suddenly became communist this would not be the same nation. If we suddenly become Canada, it wouldn't be the same nation and, by the way, neither would Canada. You elect leaders based on their policies, do you not? So you're voting for policies. And policies are enough to change the nation.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Last I checked, 50% of the voting public voted for a Democrat last election, and public opinion is currently split roughly 50/50 between a conservative and liberal presidential candidate. Sounds to me more like the voting public wants to change America.

I know I am stupid (thus a Republican), but if 50% voted Democrat last election and "public opinion is currently split roughly 50/50 between a conservative and liberal presidential candidate," how, then, could you conclude that the "voting public wants to change America?" Are they teaching some sort of new Godel META-logic proofs that I need to research?

Hey, Godel, I remember him. I did not mean to make a misleading statement - however, the impression given during threads like these is that it is a loud, vocal minority which wants to make these changes or to vote a particular way (i.e. Democrat). My point was that it's not a minority, and even if it is it's a clearly significant minority.

BTW, like I've said before, I am a conservative. Never have I made the insinuation (at least I don't think I have) that conservatives are somehow unintelligent. I have remarked that trolls are unintelligent, and that they're unwilling to think beyond partisan lines.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Why are you trying to change America to be more like it rather than moving there yourself? It's a closet-socialist's wet dream come true.

They have:

1. Universal Healthcare
2. Gay marriages legalized
3. No Patriot Act
4. Decriminalization of pot (almost?) and lower drinking age
5. No references to God in pledges or money

If you're staying here just for the landscape you may be pleasantly surprised by the beauty of the Canadian Rockies, Victoria Island, and the other side of Niagara Falls.

Maybe they want to prevent Bush from ruinering what they believe is the greatest country? and make it even better?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DanJ

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Ok, so nobody want to even try to give a serious answer?

I think you got some serious answers. This country isn't based on if you don't like it leave. This is a country supposedly by the people for the people, is it not?

I'm not suggesting Liberals be banned from voting...just that they live in a place that they don't have to work so hard to change.

....and you live in CA why again?

Do you hear me incessently shrieking about how horrible and wayward the state is? No you don't.

Well, you constantly obsess about what the horrible liberals are up to at any given moment, and you live in a state that is known for being left-leaning. Applying your....uh...."logic" to the situation I don't see why you're not putting a downpayment on a nice compound in Idaho or something.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: conjur
Who here is complaining about the nation, itself? It's the leadership that needs to be removed and replaced with one that will foster debate in determining policy and actually use diplomacy in its foreign relations.

The nation is just the collection of rules and policies. You change them you change the nation. If we suddenly became communist this would not be the same nation. If we suddenly become Canada, it wouldn't be the same nation and, by the way, neither would Canada. You elect leaders based on their policies, do you not? So you're voting for policies. And policies are enough to change the nation.

And Kerry would return it to something more closely resembling what the Founding Fathers had intended.

 

[daveshel]

That kind of crap has been heard since the days of Viet Nam. America: Love It Or Leave It. It didn't fly then and it won't fly now. An American has a responsibility to analyze and criticize and to work to change what s/he disagrees with.

 

[Puwaha]

You should be proud that the liberals are so set on "regime change" here in America. That little ideal goes a long way.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Puwaha
You should be proud that the liberals are so set on "regime change" here in America. That little ideal goes a long way.

Huh?

 

[alchemize]

Here's my trollish thoughts

1) Liberals are too lazy to move
2) Liberals don't like the cold
3) Liberals like to whine
4) Liberals don't like the French *that much*

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
But you would vote for conservative candidates, you would conceivably assist in conservative election campaigns, write messages on internet bulletin boards supporting conservative political initiatives, correct?

Of course. Because our conservative policy is what makes this country unique. If that's lost--the quality which has made us such a great country--then we're gonna be just like everyone else.

Of course, I'm only partly serious in my question...I think both sides need each other to keep the extreme voices marginalized. But if I had a conservative equivalent to Canada and felt as strongly as many liberals do about the current administration, it would be a comforting thought to know I had the option.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Here's my trollish thoughts

1) Liberals are too lazy to move
2) Liberals don't like the cold
3) Liberals like to whine
4) Liberals don't like the French *that much*

I like the French, does that make me a libbie?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Orsorum
But you would vote for conservative candidates, you would conceivably assist in conservative election campaigns, write messages on internet bulletin boards supporting conservative political initiatives, correct?

Of course. Because our conservative policy is what makes this country unique. If that's lost--the quality which has made us such a great country--then we're gonna be just like everyone else.

Of course, I'm only partly serious in my question...I think both sides need each other to keep the extreme voices marginalized. But if I had a conservative equivalent to Canada and felt as strongly as many liberals do about the current administration, it would be a comforting thought to know I had the option.

And I'm sure many liberals would move if the long-term political climate in America shifted towards far-right conservatism. But very few people will move given a short term change, barring, of course, civil strife or natural disaster.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Here's my trollish thoughts

1) Liberals are too lazy to move
2) Liberals don't like the cold
3) Liberals like to whine
4) Liberals don't like the French *that much*

You forgot to mention that Liberals eat baby kittens.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: conjur

And Kerry would return it to something more closely resembling what the Founding Fathers had intended.

They intended for gays to be legally wed and for there to be tariffs on companies who outsource and for higher taxes to pay for everybodies healthcare and for the President to make decisions of national security based on what other countries think?

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: conjur
Who here is complaining about the nation, itself? It's the leadership that needs to be removed and replaced with one that will foster debate in determining policy and actually use diplomacy in its foreign relations.

The nation is just the collection of rules and policies. You change them you change the nation. If we suddenly became communist this would not be the same nation. If we suddenly become Canada, it wouldn't be the same nation and, by the way, neither would Canada. You elect leaders based on their policies, do you not? So you're voting for policies. And policies are enough to change the nation.

Yeah, and I remember voting for one of Bush's policies which was " I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building". Unfortunately that was a big fat lie and he quickly dishonored his campaign promise.

Warning: Liberal Media; wear protective clothing

 

[daveshel]

Without liberal politics, we would be subjects of the Crown.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: daveshel
That kind of crap has been heard since the days of Viet Nam. America: Love It Or Leave It. It didn't fly then and it won't fly now. An American has a responsibility to analyze and criticize and to work to change what s/he disagrees with.

If I likened President Bush to Hitler, I'd be remiss NOT to move to Canada or I'd be making myself a party to a Nazi regime.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: alchemize
Here's my trollish thoughts

1) Liberals are too lazy to move
2) Liberals don't like the cold
3) Liberals like to whine
4) Liberals don't like the French *that much*

You forgot to mention that Liberals eat baby kittens.

wheres the part about liberals causing cancer?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: daveshel
That kind of crap has been heard since the days of Viet Nam. America: Love It Or Leave It. It didn't fly then and it won't fly now. An American has a responsibility to analyze and criticize and to work to change what s/he disagrees with.

If I likened President Bush to Hitler, I'd be remiss NOT to move to Canada or I'd be making myself a party to a Nazi regime.

english?

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: conjur
Who here is complaining about the nation, itself? It's the leadership that needs to be removed and replaced with one that will foster debate in determining policy and actually use diplomacy in its foreign relations.

The nation is just the collection of rules and policies. You change them you change the nation. If we suddenly became communist this would not be the same nation. If we suddenly become Canada, it wouldn't be the same nation and, by the way, neither would Canada. You elect leaders based on their policies, do you not? So you're voting for policies. And policies are enough to change the nation.

And Kerry would return it to something more closely resembling what the Founding Fathers had intended.

We bought that one a decade ago; "I promise the most ethical administration in our nation's history." Thanks for playing, though.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: alchemize
Here's my trollish thoughts

1) Liberals are too lazy to move
2) Liberals don't like the cold
3) Liberals like to whine
4) Liberals don't like the French *that much*

You forgot to mention that Liberals eat baby kittens.

wheres the part about liberals causing cancer?

5) Liberals cause cancer, therefore they like the US healthcare system better
6) Liberals eat baby kittens. There are a lot more baby kittens in the US.

 

[crazycarl]

BECAUSE I LOVE MY COUNTRY AND I'M NOT LEAVING IF U TRY TO MAKE ME I WILL FVCKING SHOOT U U FASCIST!!!!!!1!!!!!!
there, I feel a little better now