Why doesn't Windows file and printer sharing ever work correctly?

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Appearantly it is a mix of cyptography, SSL, and IPsec..sounds nice😀

Yeah it's pretty straight forward. Install, enter name of network to join/create and enter the password. Standard issue file sharing comes next if you like.

I am currently using a PPTP and although it isn't hard to setup, I was more interested in an entire network to network connection, such as somethign that I could use to VPN into my network on the road.

Unfortuantely my Soekris doesn't supportNAT-T🙁

This software definitely deserves a look

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: spidey07
there is the forum called "networking" that explains exactly what is going on and why.

Load netbeui and all your networking problems will disappear.

Do not depend on MS browsing to work without proper name resolution. Not gonna happen.

dude...have you heard of this hamachi stuff?

no I haven't

have you heard of TOR?

 

[Shawn]

Ugh, just figured it out. Windows Onecare firewall was blocking the connections to my computer. I went into the firewall advanced settings and checked off allow ICMP outbound and it works now. User friendly my ass. :roll:

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: spidey07
there is the forum called "networking" that explains exactly what is going on and why.

Load netbeui and all your networking problems will disappear.

Do not depend on MS browsing to work without proper name resolution. Not gonna happen.

dude...have you heard of this hamachi stuff?

no I haven't

have you heard of TOR?

Tor, an anonymous Internet communication system, is a second generation Onion Routing network that allows people to communicate anonymously. Tor can be used as an outproxy to the regular Internet, or hidden services can be accessed inside the Tor network. Like the Freenet and GNUnet networks, Tor can be used to circumvent content filters, censorship laws, and other restrictions on communication. ...


I cheated 😱.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: spidey07
there is the forum called "networking" that explains exactly what is going on and why.

Load netbeui and all your networking problems will disappear.

Do not depend on MS browsing to work without proper name resolution. Not gonna happen.

dude...have you heard of this hamachi stuff?

no I haven't

have you heard of TOR?

no


*googles furiously*

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Shawn
All the improvements they've made to windows over the years and file and printer sharing still does not work correctly. WHY? :|🙁

Not sure what you're talking about. It always works for me!

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Nope.. If you mess 1 setting up, you're screwed even if you reinstall drivers and re-setup network.....

I had to reformat this weekend

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: spidey07
there is the forum called "networking" that explains exactly what is going on and why.

Load netbeui and all your networking problems will disappear.

Do not depend on MS browsing to work without proper name resolution. Not gonna happen.

dude...have you heard of this hamachi stuff?

no I haven't

have you heard of TOR?

Tor, an anonymous Internet communication system, is a second generation Onion Routing network that allows people to communicate anonymously. Tor can be used as an outproxy to the regular Internet, or hidden services can be accessed inside the Tor network. Like the Freenet and GNUnet networks, Tor can be used to circumvent content filters, censorship laws, and other restrictions on communication. ...


I cheated 😱.

now I remember



Spidey.

There used to be issues with MS's PPTP Client. have those security issues been rectified?

Starting early next eyar I will be using EVDO wireless to VPN into the house for stuff and need advice on what to use. IP sec looks like it isn't supported by my soekris m0n0wall 1.2 box so I think i'm stuck with PPTP

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
Nope.. If you mess 1 setting up, you're screwed even if you reinstall drivers and re-setup network.....

I had to reformat this weekend

most times the reason windows file/pring sharing doesn't work is the user and more specifically the OS.

load netbeui and your windows file/pring sharing problems will disappear.

 

[dug777]

man this thread got complicated and incomprehensible quickly 😛

I ****** hate windows file and printer sharing too tho 🙂

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: dug777
man this thread got complicated and incomprehensible quickly 😛

I ****** hate windows file and printer sharing too tho 🙂

see my posts and visit the network forum.

the troubles with MS browsing are well known and quite documented. It can take over 4 hours for a windows browse list to "settle down"

 

[mzkhadir]

File and printer sharing works well for people who know what they are doing.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: DLeRium
Nope.. If you mess 1 setting up, you're screwed even if you reinstall drivers and re-setup network.....

I had to reformat this weekend

most times the reason windows file/pring sharing doesn't work is the user and more specifically the OS.

load netbeui and your windows file/pring sharing problems will disappear.

what is netbeui? I thought they removed that after win9x.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: DLeRium
Nope.. If you mess 1 setting up, you're screwed even if you reinstall drivers and re-setup network.....

I had to reformat this weekend

most times the reason windows file/pring sharing doesn't work is the user and more specifically the OS.

load netbeui and your windows file/pring sharing problems will disappear.

what is netbeui? I thought they removed that after win9x.

It's a non-routable networking protocol. You can still use it on LAN's to transfer files

 

[mzkhadir]

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: DLeRium
Nope.. If you mess 1 setting up, you're screwed even if you reinstall drivers and re-setup network.....

I had to reformat this weekend

most times the reason windows file/pring sharing doesn't work is the user and more specifically the OS.

load netbeui and your windows file/pring sharing problems will disappear.

what is netbeui? I thought they removed that after win9x.

It's a non-routable networking protocol. You can still use it on LAN's to transfer files

yep

 

[spidey07]

And to Klin's point it is still the recommended protocol for LAN file/print sharing.

this is for on a single broadcast domain...once you get out of the SOHO environment/5 computers the ballgame changes drastically.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Anubis
file shareing is easy as ****** hell, just make sure all comps are all on the same domain, i just left them on MSHOME, enable shareing, right click share drive.... find from other comp through network or \\shared folder name

takes all of 2 min, might require a restart or 2

never tried printer shareing

You mean workgroup? Theres quite a difference between domain and workgroup, a domain has active directory.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: spidey07
And to Klin's point it is still the recommended protocol for LAN file/print sharing.

this is for on a single broadcast domain...once you get out of the SOHO environment/5 computers the ballgame changes drastically.

yeah, but then does it have to be installed on all computers?

 

[Rubycon]

Netbuoy = horrible. It's for n8bs that cannot set up a proper tcp/ip network with dns working both ways.

sharing = caring
so if ms cares...hmmm perhaps there is a problem here? 😉

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: spidey07
And to Klin's point it is still the recommended protocol for LAN file/print sharing.

this is for on a single broadcast domain...once you get out of the SOHO environment/5 computers the ballgame changes drastically.

yeah, but then does it have to be installed on all computers?

Yes it does.

MS browsing works on a "who has a list of services for the network" mentality. That was all fine and dandy when networks were only a few hundred nodes.

Sequence goes like this...

client - who is my master browser (broadcast)
master browser - I am, here is a list of services
client - great, thanks Mr. Master Browser, I shall remember you and ask you again

works very well for extremely small networks.

The problem is when you have clients that decide they want to be master browsers. Happens all the time. You have master browsers for NBT (netbios over TCP) that don't accept (more appropriate don't listen to) requests from clients running netbios/netbeui.

If I had a white board I could explain it much better.

Needless to say, there is a disconnect between layer2/3 broadcasts and the OS itself. It is inherently unreliable and the only true way around it is getting name/subnetmasterbrowser stuff under control is through the use of WINS (windows internet naming service)

Sure, MS tells you that that approach is going away...but if you look at the traces (packet traces) you see that it isn't and they are still using LANmanager techniques.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: C6FT7
Netbuoy = horrible. It's for n8bs that cannot set up a proper tcp/ip network with dns working both ways.

sharing = caring
so if ms cares...hmmm perhaps there is a problem here? 😉

what is the difference between netbeui and NBT in terms of overhead and windowing.

I await your reply.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: spidey07

what is the difference between netbeui and NBT in terms of overhead and windowing.

I await your reply.

I'm no IT person and refuse to google this as it's of no interest to me. Sorry.

TCP/IP is fine, works perfect and we have lots of nodes all over the world that can be accessed with nary a wait. Here we can take any XP/2000/NT computer and join it to a domain and get into anything given the logon has sufficient rights. Home networks? Don't know anything about it as this is home. 🙂

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: C6FT7

Originally posted by: spidey07

what is the difference between netbeui and NBT in terms of overhead and windowing.

I await your reply.

I'm no IT person and refuse to google this as it's of no interest to me. Sorry.

TCP/IP is fine, works perfect and we have lots of nodes all over the world that can be accessed with nary a wait. Here we can take any XP/2000/NT computer and join it to a domain and get into anything given the logon has sufficient rights. Home networks? Don't know anything about it as this is home. 🙂

Gotcha.

So basically you have no idea on how networks and operating systems work yet say "netbeui is for noobs"

tsk, tsk. You're a bright guy...c'mon.

For most all home networks using netbeui for file/print sharing eliminates most of the problems with MS networking.

we're speaking about the 5-10 node network here of course.

-edit- sorry for the frustration, but people just assume that it is OK for it to take more than 2 seconds to get a browse list and navigate a windows network. Like seeing that hourglass turn over and over and over is someway "normal"

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
nah..it sucks.....I've tried with both TCP/IP and netbios on every other network it jsut poops little packet sized pellets everywhere


the oder is unbearable


<--works fine for me though


<--knows his sh!t😉

Trust me, i know my sh!t, and my computer can't share stuff with anyone. I tried everything!
The problem with windows is the lack of actual control!

 

[her209]

A lot of times the reason it does not work is because:

Simple file sharing is turned off in which case the computers must have the same accounts with the same password on both computers. You cannot access another computer using an account that has a blank password. My $0.02.