Why doesn't Tom Brady get the credit he deserves?

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: shamrock1313

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I wouldn't say Brady gets no recognition, nobody I know thinks of Brady as a subpar quarterback. However, when you compare him to Manning it is quite clear that Manning is the better all-around quarterback. The Patriots are largely successful for their team game, in addition to Brady's well-rounded play and that is why he doesn't get MVP consideration. Peyton can literally carry his team on his back when needed.

What has brady been doing with all the injuries that have decimated the Patriots? Peyton is a great quarterback, but how good would he be without Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, or James to set up the play-action?

Probably still the best QB. You see his accuracy on all of his passes. He probably has the best touch I have ever seen.

Tell that to Ty Law


Only stat that matters to me: Brady 9-0 in the playoffs. Brady = best winning pct. in the league of current QBs over the past 4 years. What else matters?

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: shamrock1313

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I wouldn't say Brady gets no recognition, nobody I know thinks of Brady as a subpar quarterback. However, when you compare him to Manning it is quite clear that Manning is the better all-around quarterback. The Patriots are largely successful for their team game, in addition to Brady's well-rounded play and that is why he doesn't get MVP consideration. Peyton can literally carry his team on his back when needed.

What has brady been doing with all the injuries that have decimated the Patriots? Peyton is a great quarterback, but how good would he be without Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, or James to set up the play-action?

Probably still the best QB. You see his accuracy on all of his passes. He probably has the best touch I have ever seen.

Tell that to Ty Law

He picked off Tom brady today and ran one back.

 

[dionx]

in the superbowl and playoffs, i would pick Brady over Manning because of his experience and track record. plus Brady sort of has an X-factor advantage over Manning. Manning looks more comfortable in the pocket and with his passing because of his O-line. Brady tends to have more pressure on him yet still delivers under pressure.

the reason he doesn't get more credit is because of his team record compared to other teams such as the Colts.

 

[aswedc]

Nah.. the front office made some poor decisions. The Eagles are lacking in a lot of areas. Their defense is weak, with the loss of Reese, Simon, and Burgess. Their offense is weak with a pass-only game plan, WR issues, and run-blocking problems. Their STs have picked it up, but they were fumbling all over the place earlier this season. They need to make a lot of changes/upgrades this offseason if they want to compete next year.

No need to get all in a fuss when there is no reason to.

It's all McNabb. Andy Reid is a good coach and so is Jim Johnson. This team can still play the Giants to OT with by far the worst starting QB in the league! You also have to take into account the unusually strong NFC East. If McNabb is healthy, the Eagles are guaranteed a playoff spot next year regardless of other personnel changes.

Another star WR would be good, but not likely. As well as some depth at the QB position. But come next season no one will be thinking about that because the healthy first team will be winning games.

 

[sash1]

Brady = best QB in the league
Pats = best team in the league
Pats = Superbowl XL champions!

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
If McNabb was healthy, he would have had the best season. He'd be at about 4500 yards, with 30 TDs and 16 INTs. Probably more, if he hadn't sucked it up after getting the hernia and myriad other injuries.

Please tell me you are joking...

Ever since the "Maxim party" it does seem as if karma has it in for him.

 

[tfcmasta97]

Originally posted by: rsd
Man oh man where to begin...

Palmer---Please, I think McGhee is still running back that interception for a TD

Manning--Yes Nice Stats, 0 rings

Brady--He HAS carried the team this season despite all the injuries and such. He is easily the MVP (whether he wins it or not is a joke)

Edit:

McNabb--5 letters...NAACP

Brady doesnt have to be there, their def can take over a game, push the other team back and their ground game can pound it all down field. Brady's offensive line also gives him plenty of time back in the pocket.

Manning (granted, he has some great people infront of him) has had to score enough points (in the past seasons) to run away from the other team while their D lets everything through.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: SampSon
He gets plenty of credit, actually most sportsnews organizations constantly hum on his and the patriots nuts. It's the same thing with Bret Favre.

Reality is the patriots are having a mediocre season where they can still win their division with a pisspoor 10 wins on the season.

The reason people pay so much attention to the pats is because they have won 3 of the last 4 superbowls and they are, now, finally getting healthy this season (we'll see about Bruschi and Samuel, however) ... and now that they ARE healthy they are starting to roll teams like they should. You cannot deny they have absolutely dominated the league over the past 4 seasons, and won the games they have needed to win. The reason nobody is counting them out this year is exactly BECAUSE everyone tries to count them out every year and every year they surprise the league.

In 2001 it was Cohwer's (sp?) "Pack your bags for NO" comment that got him in trouble when the pats pounded the steelers at home. Every year its another "oh-it-was-all-luck" story about the pats, and every year they keep winning. It's not luck when you hold the Colts to less than 10 pts and make Manning cough up 4 INTs... that's domination. Sure they are only a ten win team, but would you really count the 3 time superbowl champs out of the postseason? Really? Because I think that would be a big mistake, and so does everyone else in the league.

edit: I just wanted to add that I believe that Manning and Palmer will/are better "by-the-numbers" QBs, let's take those stats with a grain of salt this year. Both Palmer and Manning had 100% healthy offenses. The pats were lacking a running back, a full back, and key receivers throughout the season. I think his numbers are pretty freaking impressive when you think about that.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: SampSon
He gets plenty of credit, actually most sportsnews organizations constantly hum on his and the patriots nuts. It's the same thing with Bret Favre.

Reality is the patriots are having a mediocre season where they can still win their division with a pisspoor 10 wins on the season.

The reason people pay so much attention to the pats is because they have won 3 of the last 4 superbowls and they are, now, finally getting healthy this season (we'll see about Bruschi and Samuel, however) ... and now that they ARE healthy they are starting to roll teams like they should. You cannot deny they have absolutely dominated the league, and won the games they have needed to win. The reason nobody is counting them out this year is exactly BECAUSE everyone tries to count them out every year and every year they surprise the league.

In 2001 it was Cohwer's (sp?) "Pack your bags for NO" comment that got him in trouble when the pats pounded the steelers at home. Every year its another "oh-it-was-all-luck" story about the pats, and every year they keep winning. It's not luck when you hold the Colts to less than 10 pts and make Manning cough up 4 INTs... that's domination. Sure they are only a ten win team, but would you really count the 3 time superbowl champs out of the postseason? Really? Because I think that would be a big mistake, and so does everyone else in the league.

Yup, the Pats are peaking right at the same time, and look at the colts, 2 losses in a row. Sure they got their division and all that crap wrapped up, but momentum is a very real thing that can't be counted out.

 

[sash1]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: SampSon
He gets plenty of credit, actually most sportsnews organizations constantly hum on his and the patriots nuts. It's the same thing with Bret Favre.

Reality is the patriots are having a mediocre season where they can still win their division with a pisspoor 10 wins on the season.

The reason people pay so much attention to the pats is because they have won 3 of the last 4 superbowls and they are, now, finally getting healthy this season (we'll see about Bruschi and Samuel, however) ... and now that they ARE healthy they are starting to roll teams like they should. You cannot deny they have absolutely dominated the league, and won the games they have needed to win. The reason nobody is counting them out this year is exactly BECAUSE everyone tries to count them out every year and every year they surprise the league.

In 2001 it was Cohwer's (sp?) "Pack your bags for NO" comment that got him in trouble when the pats pounded the steelers at home. Every year its another "oh-it-was-all-luck" story about the pats, and every year they keep winning. It's not luck when you hold the Colts to less than 10 pts and make Manning cough up 4 INTs... that's domination. Sure they are only a ten win team, but would you really count the 3 time superbowl champs out of the postseason? Really? Because I think that would be a big mistake, and so does everyone else in the league.

Yup, the Pats are peaking right at the same time, and look at the colts, 2 losses in a row. Sure they got their division and all that crap wrapped up, but momentum is a very real thing that can't be counted out.

I predict another Colts choke just like last year. They throw the last couple games and then get a week off. That's almost a month of not playing any real football. You can't expect to win an important game after that.

Pats are going to dominate again this year!

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: CheapArse

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: CheapArse

Originally posted by: rsd
Man oh man where to begin...

Palmer---Please, I think McGhee is still running back that interception for a TD

Manning--Yes Nice Stats, 0 rings

Brady--He HAS carried the team this season despite all the injuries and such. He is easily the MVP (whether he wins it or not is a joke)

Edit:

McNabb--5 letters...NAACP

Please jump off the band wagon. Brady gets enough credit but he doesn't deserve the MVP. He is leading his team becuase that is what he should be doing, he is the QB. Everyone is always quick to point out the injuries and play the "what if" game and swear the Pats would win again "if"....

Injuries happen, get the fvck over it already.

Oh believe me I am quite over it, as the Patriots begin the steamroller for the play offs. I think this will be the ultimate show of "who is better" if they do win it this year.

Oh and besides injuries, how about losing both your OC and DC? Uhh..yeah

Pats will go home 1st round, sorry buddy.

Marked for 2 weeks from now. Give me the Pats in foxborough any day of the week in the playoffs. Brr...its gettin' mighty cold up here.

Oh and it doesn't count if it is only wishful thinking.

Bump as promised

I won't immediatley declare the Pats SB champs because that is idiocy at this point. Drink the Kool-aid and repeat after me, one game at a time, one game at a time.

 

[Tea Bag]

Respect? Everyone knows who Tom Brady is. All that matters in the Pro Football world is rings, not how many people talk about you - and since he has so many rings, he'll be in Canton the instant he retires. But here's a more opinionated answer..

Look at his post game confrences when he loses. Case in point - when they got schlacked by the Chargers (yeah, I know Pats fans - when they were injury-ridden).. Schottenheimer, gracious in winning at the post-game confrence says pretty much "They are a great team and the reason the deficit was so great was becuase they had so many injuries". And Brady's response? "He should talk about his team, and keep ours out of his mouth". Nice - real classy.

And let's not forget the times he pouts and leaves the feild the instant the game is over instead of exchanging words 'nice game, good luck this season' to the other team on the feild. He's wondeful when he wins, and a little crybaby when he loses. Leinhart had a little bit of that in him too in the post game talk there. I'll give him some credit though - at least he was on the feild after the game.

When was the last time Manning did any of that? That's why Manning is more verbally 'respected'. That doesn't correlate to being a "better" quarterback however. If it did, they would just give out respect rings instead of playing the game.

 

[BrokenVisage]

No MVP consideration?? He was third in votes this year behind 2 players who deserved it more than him, WTF are you smoking - oh that's right, you're an unbiased Patriots fan. I also think he gets plenty of credit at this point.